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Luke Edwards is a joke tbf. Absurd last sentence. Samp, everyone is terrified to respond to you now, oh no! Look what you made me do. Bruce has had nothing to do with the takeover. Edwards is stupid for suggesting it.

Luke Edwards is a joke tbf. Absurd last sentence.

What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points? Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no? Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base. I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision. Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here. How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"? I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there. So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same? People won't just look at a number. They'll take everything into account. Style of play, performance, tactics, team selection, post match analysis and of course, compliance with an already toxic club management. I'd say that in Bruce's case the points on the board are in spite of a shambolic performance in every aspect of his job. How many points did we need on the board, for you to say he's done an okay job? It's not a difficult question to answer. There is no number. I'll be big enough to say that i'll never accept what he does because I think that everything we get is in spite of him and not because of him. If you are prepared to give him credit for the number of points on the board then that's fair enough. Personally, I'm not. There's no number :lol: We win the league. "Fuck that fat cunt, he deserves no credit for winning the league. He's fucking shite." What the fuck are you about? Win the league You've literally said no matter, no matter how points Bruce got, you'd never say he's done an OKAY job. It's an insane comment. Think about it logically FFS. Such an asinine and disingenuous question, if he had more points then we would be playing better football and he would get the credit he would deserve. As it stands the points on the table are contrary to the displays on the pitch, ergo he deserves no credit. To the fact he's more than likely kept us up, he's played his part in facilitating the takeover by doing the minimum expected of him, does that deserve credit? Not really, in any normal club, with the financial outlay supposedly afforded to him, he's massively underperformed and he would be gone. Hell, in any normal club, he wouldn't have got the position to start with. I don't hate Bruce, I hate the idiots that gave him the job, but he hasn't affected anything that would deserve him credit. Massively underperformed? 13th in the league. 35 points. That's massively underperformed? :lol: Honestly man this fucking board. All I've said is he's done an okay job this season. Not a good job. Not a great job. AN OKAY JOB. Oh well if you are up for a sensible debate, here's my twopenneth. I actually think Bruce has been disastrous. You are being misled by the total points malarkey. His tactical ability is zero, in his own words "I don't do tactics". I don't wish to cover old ground as it's been covered numerous times on here but I can honestly say in my opinion his football team have been extremely lucky. I have seen possibly three ok performances, however the West Ham away game was just mental. So no, he has not done an ok job. Pretty shit actually. Disastrous is when McLaren got sacked. 24 points from 29 games. That is disastrous. We are 11 points better off than that. We're 14 points ahead of Norwich. We're comfortably ahead of the relegation zone. We've had 9 clean sheets this season. We've beaten Spurs, Man Utd, Chelsea, drew with City. The definition of disastrous is: "highly unsuccessful". 35 points, and quarter finals of the FA Cup is not HIGHLY UNSUCCESSFUL. Not difficult to understand. There you go again quoting numbers. Using your method I could convince you that Sven Goran Eriksson was a great England manager, when every man and his dog knew he was crap. The same for the Italian England manager (forgot his name). They were both disastrous but I bet their stats are remarkable. Do you get my drift? Anyhoo, it's MY opinion that Bruce is terrible and you think he's ......... ok. Nobody has died, now run along. There I go again: using stats and numbers to back up my argument. What a moron I am. Can't believe they decide who wins the Premier League on who gets the most points :lol:

What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points? Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no? Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base. I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision. Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here. How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"? I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there. So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same? People won't just look at a number. They'll take everything into account. Style of play, performance, tactics, team selection, post match analysis and of course, compliance with an already toxic club management. I'd say that in Bruce's case the points on the board are in spite of a shambolic performance in every aspect of his job. How many points did we need on the board, for you to say he's done an okay job? It's not a difficult question to answer. There is no number. I'll be big enough to say that i'll never accept what he does because I think that everything we get is in spite of him and not because of him. If you are prepared to give him credit for the number of points on the board then that's fair enough. Personally, I'm not. There's no number :lol: We win the league. "Fuck that fat cunt, he deserves no credit for winning the league. He's fucking shite." What the fuck are you about? Win the league You've literally said no matter, no matter how points Bruce got, you'd never say he's done an OKAY job. It's an insane comment. Think about it logically FFS. Such an asinine and disingenuous question, if he had more points then we would be playing better football and he would get the credit he would deserve. As it stands the points on the table are contrary to the displays on the pitch, ergo he deserves no credit. To the fact he's more than likely kept us up, he's played his part in facilitating the takeover by doing the minimum expected of him, does that deserve credit? Not really, in any normal club, with the financial outlay supposedly afforded to him, he's massively underperformed and he would be gone. Hell, in any normal club, he wouldn't have got the position to start with. I don't hate Bruce, I hate the idiots that gave him the job, but he hasn't affected anything that would deserve him credit. Massively underperformed? 13th in the league. 35 points. That's massively underperformed? :lol: Honestly man this fucking board. All I've said is he's done an okay job this season. Not a good job. Not a great job. AN OKAY JOB. Oh well if you are up for a sensible debate, here's my twopenneth. I actually think Bruce has been disastrous. You are being misled by the total points malarkey. His tactical ability is zero, in his own words "I don't do tactics". I don't wish to cover old ground as it's been covered numerous times on here but I can honestly say in my opinion his football team have been extremely lucky. I have seen possibly three ok performances, however the West Ham away game was just mental. So no, he has not done an ok job. Pretty shit actually. Disastrous is when McLaren got sacked. 24 points from 29 games. That is disastrous. We are 11 points better off than that. We're 14 points ahead of Norwich. We're comfortably ahead of the relegation zone. We've had 9 clean sheets this season. We've beaten Spurs, Man Utd, Chelsea, drew with City. The definition of disastrous is: "highly unsuccessful". 35 points, and quarter finals of the FA Cup is not HIGHLY UNSUCCESSFUL. Not difficult to understand. The difficulty in understanding is apportioning credit to Bruce, what has he actually done? We've been horrific almost every game, no cohesion, no tactics, backs against the wall. Points/results look decent on paper, no one is discounting that, the means in which they were attained are unsustainable and either lucky or down to the individual brilliance of some of our players at any given time. We are where we are by chance rather than design. The design is the managers job and to that he has failed. How many points, did he need to get, for you to think he's not "failed"? Again, if we had more points we would have to be playing some decent football, it's all relative. If we had less points but we were playing good football he would get credit, it's not about the points, it's the whole package. Just like Robster, and Tron, you won't give me a points figure because with all due respect, you're talking shit. I already gave you my reasoning for that, but you don't want to hear reason, you just want to stick to your points total. You don't want to hear it, fine, but then I don't need to answer loaded questions. It's a nothing answer and you know it. It's shows your clear bias. No it doesn't. I already told you I think quite a few managers from the lower divisions could have followed Rafa into this job and done as well or better. Do you agree? Yes or no. It's a simple question samp. Yeah I think different managers from lower divisions could've done as well or better. But that doesn't change the fact that Bruce has done an okay job. See it's not hard to answer a simple question Tron I am not sure why you won't accept that while you think our current position is down to Bruce, many people don't. In several posts, I've said Rafa's drilling of the squad, and defensive process has been key. My main point is that Bruce has kept up the team spirit. There's been no big fallouts, no big issues with the squad, no ego problems. That's what's he's done well. Tactically we're shite going forward, but on the whole we aren't easy to beat at home, and the players haven't downed tools. Which leads me to my point that overall he's done okay. The team spirit was there because Rafa bought well. Meticulously researched players who would fit into the squad. Just because Bruce could make the odd joke, drink a pint and say ‘fuck’ now and again doesn’t make him any good. He was shit. The fact you’ve spent all afternoon (and most of this season) spending your energy defending him while getting an absolute hammering is very very weird. What’s your angle? I’m intrigued. Are you related? The levels of anger and I’m right, your wrong stuff is just strange. I'm not angry. I've said he's done an okay job. That's all. I've laid out my arguments clearly. I've asked several questions, and no had any clear answers. That the problem with this board. The over-exaggeration is insane. You hate Bruce, and because of that you cant say he's done an okay job. How many points would Bruce have needed to get, for you to say he's done okay? Again you won't answer it because you hate Bruce and it's clouding your judgement.

Jeees, man, can't you see that almost everyone disagrees with you. The vast majority of us think he has not done 'a decent job' by a very, very long way. Can't you just give it a break? Please??? I've answered everybody's questions clearly. Just because most people don't agree with me, doesn't mean anything. Millions of people voted Trump in. Millions of people watch Mrs Brown's Boys. I'm right, you're wrong. That's the end of it.

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I think that's the problem. It feels like so much of what has carried this team through has very little to do with him. He's encouraged the full-backs/wing-backs on a bit, but the team spirit and organisation at the back where forged by Benitez in the Championship. But team spirit isn't something that just stays at a consistent level no matter what. It's a fluid thing, that can fluctuate up and down. Yeah the organisation is all Rafa no doubt. Bruce isn't improving any player. We're not playing attractive football in any sense of the word. But the team is clearly playing for him. They are working hard. The Everton game was so so lucky. But at least the players are still trying to score after 93 mins and 2-0 down. We've scored a lot of late goals. Lucky yes, but also shows we don't give up as a team. We keep trying and we keep our heads up.

I'm not saying Bruce deserves credit. I'm not praising him. Just saying overall he's done okay. Shit attacking tactics vs strong team spirit, and good team attitude = an okay job overall.

I answered this question. You didn't like the answer though despite the fact that I added more than the pure fact that just hate him. Did you think that Pardew 'did OK' to get us to 5th or do you put that down to things just going our way that season ? I think Pardew did fairly well that season. But he's a shit manager and it wasn't sustainable. You can think a manager has done okay or fairly well for a season, but also think they aren't a good manager. You can also think they've done a bad job and got lucky. You can't do a bad job and get into the Europa League over the course of 38 games.

What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points? Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no? Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base. I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision. Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here. How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"? I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there. So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same? People won't just look at a number. They'll take everything into account. Style of play, performance, tactics, team selection, post match analysis and of course, compliance with an already toxic club management. I'd say that in Bruce's case the points on the board are in spite of a shambolic performance in every aspect of his job. How many points did we need on the board, for you to say he's done an okay job? It's not a difficult question to answer. There is no number. I'll be big enough to say that i'll never accept what he does because I think that everything we get is in spite of him and not because of him. If you are prepared to give him credit for the number of points on the board then that's fair enough. Personally, I'm not. There's no number :lol: We win the league. "Fuck that fat cunt, he deserves no credit for winning the league. He's fucking shite." What the fuck are you about? Win the league You've literally said no matter, no matter how points Bruce got, you'd never say he's done an OKAY job. It's an insane comment. Think about it logically FFS. Such an asinine and disingenuous question, if he had more points then we would be playing better football and he would get the credit he would deserve. As it stands the points on the table are contrary to the displays on the pitch, ergo he deserves no credit. To the fact he's more than likely kept us up, he's played his part in facilitating the takeover by doing the minimum expected of him, does that deserve credit? Not really, in any normal club, with the financial outlay supposedly afforded to him, he's massively underperformed and he would be gone. Hell, in any normal club, he wouldn't have got the position to start with. I don't hate Bruce, I hate the idiots that gave him the job, but he hasn't affected anything that would deserve him credit. Massively underperformed? 13th in the league. 35 points. That's massively underperformed? :lol: Honestly man this fucking board. All I've said is he's done an okay job this season. Not a good job. Not a great job. AN OKAY JOB. Oh well if you are up for a sensible debate, here's my twopenneth. I actually think Bruce has been disastrous. You are being misled by the total points malarkey. His tactical ability is zero, in his own words "I don't do tactics". I don't wish to cover old ground as it's been covered numerous times on here but I can honestly say in my opinion his football team have been extremely lucky. I have seen possibly three ok performances, however the West Ham away game was just mental. So no, he has not done an ok job. Pretty shit actually. Disastrous is when McLaren got sacked. 24 points from 29 games. That is disastrous. We are 11 points better off than that. We're 14 points ahead of Norwich. We're comfortably ahead of the relegation zone. We've had 9 clean sheets this season. We've beaten Spurs, Man Utd, Chelsea, drew with City. The definition of disastrous is: "highly unsuccessful". 35 points, and quarter finals of the FA Cup is not HIGHLY UNSUCCESSFUL. Not difficult to understand. The difficulty in understanding is apportioning credit to Bruce, what has he actually done? We've been horrific almost every game, no cohesion, no tactics, backs against the wall. Points/results look decent on paper, no one is discounting that, the means in which they were attained are unsustainable and either lucky or down to the individual brilliance of some of our players at any given time. We are where we are by chance rather than design. The design is the managers job and to that he has failed. How many points, did he need to get, for you to think he's not "failed"? Again, if we had more points we would have to be playing some decent football, it's all relative. If we had less points but we were playing good football he would get credit, it's not about the points, it's the whole package. Just like Robster, and Tron, you won't give me a points figure because with all due respect, you're talking shit. I already gave you my reasoning for that, but you don't want to hear reason, you just want to stick to your points total. You don't want to hear it, fine, but then I don't need to answer loaded questions. It's a nothing answer and you know it. It's shows your clear bias. No it doesn't. I already told you I think quite a few managers from the lower divisions could have followed Rafa into this job and done as well or better. Do you agree? Yes or no. It's a simple question samp. Yeah I think different managers from lower divisions could've done as well or better. But that doesn't change the fact that Bruce has done an okay job. See it's not hard to answer a simple question Tron I am not sure why you won't accept that while you think our current position is down to Bruce, many people don't. In several posts, I've said Rafa's drilling of the squad, and defensive process has been key. My main point is that Bruce has kept up the team spirit. There's been no big fallouts, no big issues with the squad, no ego problems. That's what's he's done well. Tactically we're shite going forward, but on the whole we aren't easy to beat at home, and the players haven't downed tools. Which leads me to my point that overall he's done okay.

I answered this question. You didn't like the answer though despite the fact that I added more than the pure fact that just hate him. Did you think that Pardew 'did OK' to get us to 5th or do you put that down to things just going our way that season ? I think Pardew did fairly well that season. But he's a shit manager and it wasn't sustainable. You can think a manager has done okay or fairly well for a season, but also think they aren't a good manager.

There's been some terrible "debating" against me this afternoon, but this takes the biscuit. Absolutely nonsensical and ludicrous analogy. :lol:

What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points? Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no? Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base. I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision. Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here. How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"? I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there. So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same? People won't just look at a number. They'll take everything into account. Style of play, performance, tactics, team selection, post match analysis and of course, compliance with an already toxic club management. I'd say that in Bruce's case the points on the board are in spite of a shambolic performance in every aspect of his job. How many points did we need on the board, for you to say he's done an okay job? It's not a difficult question to answer. There is no number. I'll be big enough to say that i'll never accept what he does because I think that everything we get is in spite of him and not because of him. If you are prepared to give him credit for the number of points on the board then that's fair enough. Personally, I'm not. There's no number :lol: We win the league. "Fuck that fat cunt, he deserves no credit for winning the league. He's fucking shite." What the fuck are you about? Win the league You've literally said no matter, no matter how points Bruce got, you'd never say he's done an OKAY job. It's an insane comment. Think about it logically FFS. Such an asinine and disingenuous question, if he had more points then we would be playing better football and he would get the credit he would deserve. As it stands the points on the table are contrary to the displays on the pitch, ergo he deserves no credit. To the fact he's more than likely kept us up, he's played his part in facilitating the takeover by doing the minimum expected of him, does that deserve credit? Not really, in any normal club, with the financial outlay supposedly afforded to him, he's massively underperformed and he would be gone. Hell, in any normal club, he wouldn't have got the position to start with. I don't hate Bruce, I hate the idiots that gave him the job, but he hasn't affected anything that would deserve him credit. Massively underperformed? 13th in the league. 35 points. That's massively underperformed? :lol: Honestly man this fucking board. All I've said is he's done an okay job this season. Not a good job. Not a great job. AN OKAY JOB. Oh well if you are up for a sensible debate, here's my twopenneth. I actually think Bruce has been disastrous. You are being misled by the total points malarkey. His tactical ability is zero, in his own words "I don't do tactics". I don't wish to cover old ground as it's been covered numerous times on here but I can honestly say in my opinion his football team have been extremely lucky. I have seen possibly three ok performances, however the West Ham away game was just mental. So no, he has not done an ok job. Pretty shit actually. Disastrous is when McLaren got sacked. 24 points from 29 games. That is disastrous. We are 11 points better off than that. We're 14 points ahead of Norwich. We're comfortably ahead of the relegation zone. We've had 9 clean sheets this season. We've beaten Spurs, Man Utd, Chelsea, drew with City. The definition of disastrous is: "highly unsuccessful". 35 points, and quarter finals of the FA Cup is not HIGHLY UNSUCCESSFUL. Not difficult to understand. The difficulty in understanding is apportioning credit to Bruce, what has he actually done? We've been horrific almost every game, no cohesion, no tactics, backs against the wall. Points/results look decent on paper, no one is discounting that, the means in which they were attained are unsustainable and either lucky or down to the individual brilliance of some of our players at any given time. We are where we are by chance rather than design. The design is the managers job and to that he has failed. How many points, did he need to get, for you to think he's not "failed"? Again, if we had more points we would have to be playing some decent football, it's all relative. If we had less points but we were playing good football he would get credit, it's not about the points, it's the whole package. Just like Robster, and Tron, you won't give me a points figure because with all due respect, you're talking shit. I already gave you my reasoning for that, but you don't want to hear reason, you just want to stick to your points total. You don't want to hear it, fine, but then I don't need to answer loaded questions. It's a nothing answer and you know it. It's shows your clear bias. No it doesn't. I already told you I think quite a few managers from the lower divisions could have followed Rafa into this job and done as well or better. Do you agree? Yes or no. It's a simple question samp. Yeah I think different managers from lower divisions could've done as well or better. But that doesn't change the fact that Bruce has done an okay job. See it's not hard to answer a simple question Tron

What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points? Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no? Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base. I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision. Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here. How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"? I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there. So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same? People won't just look at a number. They'll take everything into account. Style of play, performance, tactics, team selection, post match analysis and of course, compliance with an already toxic club management. I'd say that in Bruce's case the points on the board are in spite of a shambolic performance in every aspect of his job. How many points did we need on the board, for you to say he's done an okay job? It's not a difficult question to answer. There is no number. I'll be big enough to say that i'll never accept what he does because I think that everything we get is in spite of him and not because of him. If you are prepared to give him credit for the number of points on the board then that's fair enough. Personally, I'm not. There's no number :lol: We win the league. "Fuck that fat cunt, he deserves no credit for winning the league. He's fucking shite." What the fuck are you about? Win the league You've literally said no matter, no matter how points Bruce got, you'd never say he's done an OKAY job. It's an insane comment. Think about it logically FFS. Such an asinine and disingenuous question, if he had more points then we would be playing better football and he would get the credit he would deserve. As it stands the points on the table are contrary to the displays on the pitch, ergo he deserves no credit. To the fact he's more than likely kept us up, he's played his part in facilitating the takeover by doing the minimum expected of him, does that deserve credit? Not really, in any normal club, with the financial outlay supposedly afforded to him, he's massively underperformed and he would be gone. Hell, in any normal club, he wouldn't have got the position to start with. I don't hate Bruce, I hate the idiots that gave him the job, but he hasn't affected anything that would deserve him credit. Massively underperformed? 13th in the league. 35 points. That's massively underperformed? :lol: Honestly man this fucking board. All I've said is he's done an okay job this season. Not a good job. Not a great job. AN OKAY JOB. Oh well if you are up for a sensible debate, here's my twopenneth. I actually think Bruce has been disastrous. You are being misled by the total points malarkey. His tactical ability is zero, in his own words "I don't do tactics". I don't wish to cover old ground as it's been covered numerous times on here but I can honestly say in my opinion his football team have been extremely lucky. I have seen possibly three ok performances, however the West Ham away game was just mental. So no, he has not done an ok job. Pretty shit actually. Disastrous is when McLaren got sacked. 24 points from 29 games. That is disastrous. We are 11 points better off than that. We're 14 points ahead of Norwich. We're comfortably ahead of the relegation zone. We've had 9 clean sheets this season. We've beaten Spurs, Man Utd, Chelsea, drew with City. The definition of disastrous is: "highly unsuccessful". 35 points, and quarter finals of the FA Cup is not HIGHLY UNSUCCESSFUL. Not difficult to understand. The difficulty in understanding is apportioning credit to Bruce, what has he actually done? We've been horrific almost every game, no cohesion, no tactics, backs against the wall. Points/results look decent on paper, no one is discounting that, the means in which they were attained are unsustainable and either lucky or down to the individual brilliance of some of our players at any given time. We are where we are by chance rather than design. The design is the managers job and to that he has failed. How many points, did he need to get, for you to think he's not "failed"? Again, if we had more points we would have to be playing some decent football, it's all relative. If we had less points but we were playing good football he would get credit, it's not about the points, it's the whole package. Just like Robster, and Tron, you won't give me a points figure because with all due respect, you're talking shit. I already gave you my reasoning for that, but you don't want to hear reason, you just want to stick to your points total. You don't want to hear it, fine, but then I don't need to answer loaded questions. It's a nothing answer and you know it. It's shows your clear bias.

I find it incredible, that me saying Bruce has done an okay job, has so many posters frothing at mouth. "He's done shit" "Massively underperformed" "He's a failure" I ask how points to several posters does he need, not to be shit or a failure or to have massively underperformed? Nobody has answered. Nobody has given me a figure. It tells me everything me everything I need to know. If you can't answer a simple question, then you can't back up your argument.

Does saying he's done okay mean he deserves credit? I'm not praising him. Simply saying he's done okay.

I've always said Bruce can't take us forward. Always said next season, to progress the club, we need a better manager in. Always been my viewpoint. But just judging this season. Judging the 29 games league games, and the cup games. We've done okay, Bruce has done okay. That is fact.

What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points? Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no? Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base. I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision. Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here. How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"? I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there. So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same? People won't just look at a number. They'll take everything into account. Style of play, performance, tactics, team selection, post match analysis and of course, compliance with an already toxic club management. I'd say that in Bruce's case the points on the board are in spite of a shambolic performance in every aspect of his job. How many points did we need on the board, for you to say he's done an okay job? It's not a difficult question to answer. There is no number. I'll be big enough to say that i'll never accept what he does because I think that everything we get is in spite of him and not because of him. If you are prepared to give him credit for the number of points on the board then that's fair enough. Personally, I'm not. There's no number :lol: We win the league. "Fuck that fat cunt, he deserves no credit for winning the league. He's fucking shite." What the fuck are you about? Win the league You've literally said no matter, no matter how points Bruce got, you'd never say he's done an OKAY job. It's an insane comment. Think about it logically FFS. Such an asinine and disingenuous question, if he had more points then we would be playing better football and he would get the credit he would deserve. As it stands the points on the table are contrary to the displays on the pitch, ergo he deserves no credit. To the fact he's more than likely kept us up, he's played his part in facilitating the takeover by doing the minimum expected of him, does that deserve credit? Not really, in any normal club, with the financial outlay supposedly afforded to him, he's massively underperformed and he would be gone. Hell, in any normal club, he wouldn't have got the position to start with. I don't hate Bruce, I hate the idiots that gave him the job, but he hasn't affected anything that would deserve him credit. Massively underperformed? 13th in the league. 35 points. That's massively underperformed? :lol: Honestly man this fucking board. All I've said is he's done an okay job this season. Not a good job. Not a great job. AN OKAY JOB. Oh well if you are up for a sensible debate, here's my twopenneth. I actually think Bruce has been disastrous. You are being misled by the total points malarkey. His tactical ability is zero, in his own words "I don't do tactics". I don't wish to cover old ground as it's been covered numerous times on here but I can honestly say in my opinion his football team have been extremely lucky. I have seen possibly three ok performances, however the West Ham away game was just mental. So no, he has not done an ok job. Pretty shit actually. Disastrous is when McLaren got sacked. 24 points from 29 games. That is disastrous. We are 11 points better off than that. We're 14 points ahead of Norwich. We're comfortably ahead of the relegation zone. We've had 9 clean sheets this season. We've beaten Spurs, Man Utd, Chelsea, drew with City. The definition of disastrous is: "highly unsuccessful". 35 points, and quarter finals of the FA Cup is not HIGHLY UNSUCCESSFUL. Not difficult to understand. The difficulty in understanding is apportioning credit to Bruce, what has he actually done? We've been horrific almost every game, no cohesion, no tactics, backs against the wall. Points/results look decent on paper, no one is discounting that, the means in which they were attained are unsustainable and either lucky or down to the individual brilliance of some of our players at any given time. We are where we are by chance rather than design. The design is the managers job and to that he has failed. How many points, did he need to get, for you to think he's not "failed"? Again, if we had more points we would have to be playing some decent football, it's all relative. If we had less points but we were playing good football he would get credit, it's not about the points, it's the whole package. Just like Robster, and Tron, you won't give me a points figure because with all due respect, you're talking shit.

Playing the worst football in years, and having attacking statistics that make Derby's 11points team look positively brilliant should be enough to convince anyone it's been a bad job. Football isn't based on statistics mind, it's based on results. The results were okay overall. For looking forward indeed they are not. For looking back they are indicative of a teams actual performance and normally suggest of what the results should have been. Going by ours Bruce is either a total genius, or just lucky. Nobody is saying Bruce can take us forward. He'll been gone for next season, and that is correct decision with the takeover. The fact that poster after poster, can't admit, he's done on okay job this season is pretty embarrassing really. I've said before good team spirit is vital. We've had good team spirit this season. We've picked up results just when we needed them That is very important but nobody is discussing that. It's just "I hate Bruce, fat cunt, blah blah blah".

What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points? Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no? Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base. I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision. Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here. How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"? I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there. So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same? People won't just look at a number. They'll take everything into account. Style of play, performance, tactics, team selection, post match analysis and of course, compliance with an already toxic club management. I'd say that in Bruce's case the points on the board are in spite of a shambolic performance in every aspect of his job. How many points did we need on the board, for you to say he's done an okay job? It's not a difficult question to answer. There is no number. I'll be big enough to say that i'll never accept what he does because I think that everything we get is in spite of him and not because of him. If you are prepared to give him credit for the number of points on the board then that's fair enough. Personally, I'm not. There's no number :lol: We win the league. "Fuck that fat cunt, he deserves no credit for winning the league. He's fucking shite." What the fuck are you about? Win the league You've literally said no matter, no matter how points Bruce got, you'd never say he's done an OKAY job. It's an insane comment. Think about it logically FFS. Such an asinine and disingenuous question, if he had more points then we would be playing better football and he would get the credit he would deserve. As it stands the points on the table are contrary to the displays on the pitch, ergo he deserves no credit. To the fact he's more than likely kept us up, he's played his part in facilitating the takeover by doing the minimum expected of him, does that deserve credit? Not really, in any normal club, with the financial outlay supposedly afforded to him, he's massively underperformed and he would be gone. Hell, in any normal club, he wouldn't have got the position to start with. I don't hate Bruce, I hate the idiots that gave him the job, but he hasn't affected anything that would deserve him credit. Massively underperformed? 13th in the league. 35 points. That's massively underperformed? :lol: Honestly man this fucking board. All I've said is he's done an okay job this season. Not a good job. Not a great job. AN OKAY JOB. Oh well if you are up for a sensible debate, here's my twopenneth. I actually think Bruce has been disastrous. You are being misled by the total points malarkey. His tactical ability is zero, in his own words "I don't do tactics". I don't wish to cover old ground as it's been covered numerous times on here but I can honestly say in my opinion his football team have been extremely lucky. I have seen possibly three ok performances, however the West Ham away game was just mental. So no, he has not done an ok job. Pretty shit actually. Disastrous is when McLaren got sacked. 24 points from 29 games. That is disastrous. We are 11 points better off than that. We're 14 points ahead of Norwich. We're comfortably ahead of the relegation zone. We've had 9 clean sheets this season. We've beaten Spurs, Man Utd, Chelsea, drew with City. The definition of disastrous is: "highly unsuccessful". 35 points, and quarter finals of the FA Cup is not HIGHLY UNSUCCESSFUL. Not difficult to understand. The difficulty in understanding is apportioning credit to Bruce, what has he actually done? We've been horrific almost every game, no cohesion, no tactics, backs against the wall. Points/results look decent on paper, no one is discounting that, the means in which they were attained are unsustainable and either lucky or down to the individual brilliance of some of our players at any given time. We are where we are by chance rather than design. The design is the managers job and to that he has failed. How many points, did he need to get, for you to think he's not "failed"?

What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points? Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no? Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base. I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision. Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here. How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"? I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there. So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same? People won't just look at a number. They'll take everything into account. Style of play, performance, tactics, team selection, post match analysis and of course, compliance with an already toxic club management. I'd say that in Bruce's case the points on the board are in spite of a shambolic performance in every aspect of his job. How many points did we need on the board, for you to say he's done an okay job? It's not a difficult question to answer. There is no number. I'll be big enough to say that i'll never accept what he does because I think that everything we get is in spite of him and not because of him. If you are prepared to give him credit for the number of points on the board then that's fair enough. Personally, I'm not. There's no number :lol: We win the league. "Fuck that fat cunt, he deserves no credit for winning the league. He's fucking shite." What the fuck are you about? Win the league You've literally said no matter, no matter how points Bruce got, you'd never say he's done an OKAY job. It's an insane comment. Think about it logically FFS. Such an asinine and disingenuous question, if he had more points then we would be playing better football and he would get the credit he would deserve. As it stands the points on the table are contrary to the displays on the pitch, ergo he deserves no credit. To the fact he's more than likely kept us up, he's played his part in facilitating the takeover by doing the minimum expected of him, does that deserve credit? Not really, in any normal club, with the financial outlay supposedly afforded to him, he's massively underperformed and he would be gone. Hell, in any normal club, he wouldn't have got the position to start with. I don't hate Bruce, I hate the idiots that gave him the job, but he hasn't affected anything that would deserve him credit. Massively underperformed? 13th in the league. 35 points. That's massively underperformed? :lol: Honestly man this fucking board. All I've said is he's done an okay job this season. Not a good job. Not a great job. AN OKAY JOB. Oh well if you are up for a sensible debate, here's my twopenneth. I actually think Bruce has been disastrous. You are being misled by the total points malarkey. His tactical ability is zero, in his own words "I don't do tactics". I don't wish to cover old ground as it's been covered numerous times on here but I can honestly say in my opinion his football team have been extremely lucky. I have seen possibly three ok performances, however the West Ham away game was just mental. So no, he has not done an ok job. Pretty shit actually. Disastrous is when McLaren got sacked. 24 points from 29 games. That is disastrous. We are 11 points better off than that. We're 14 points ahead of Norwich. We're comfortably ahead of the relegation zone. We've had 9 clean sheets this season. We've beaten Spurs, Man Utd, Chelsea, drew with City. The definition of disastrous is: "highly unsuccessful". 35 points, and quarter finals of the FA Cup is not HIGHLY UNSUCCESSFUL. Not difficult to understand.

What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points? Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no? Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base. I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision. Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here. How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"? I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there. So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same? People won't just look at a number. They'll take everything into account. Style of play, performance, tactics, team selection, post match analysis and of course, compliance with an already toxic club management. I'd say that in Bruce's case the points on the board are in spite of a shambolic performance in every aspect of his job. How many points did we need on the board, for you to say he's done an okay job? It's not a difficult question to answer. There is no number. I'll be big enough to say that i'll never accept what he does because I think that everything we get is in spite of him and not because of him. If you are prepared to give him credit for the number of points on the board then that's fair enough. Personally, I'm not. There's no number :lol: We win the league. "Fuck that fat cunt, he deserves no credit for winning the league. He's fucking shite." What the fuck are you about? Win the league You've literally said no matter, no matter how points Bruce got, you'd never say he's done an OKAY job. It's an insane comment. Think about it logically FFS. How can you talk about logic when you are talking about Steve Bruce winning the league ? As Newcastle fans, we have the perfect example in Alan Pardew. He managed once to get us to 5th thanks to some good fortune and a fantastic group of players. However he's clearly a terrible manager as the rest of his managerial record would prove. I can only say again that I can't say that he's done an okay job because I don't believe that our current position is by his design. You've said no matter how points Bruce got, you would never say he's done an okay job. It's a fucking crazy statement. Makes absolutely zero sense. It's not crazy as I fucking hate him and will never accept him. I'm also fully confident that he'll never get the team to a place (like Pardew did) where, on paper, it looks like he's done well. I'd say that the team have done OK but not Bruce. The teams position is in spite of Bruce, not because of him. You hate him and it's clouding your judgement. That's a fact. It's not because i'm looking at more than just the league table. I hear the same opinion as yours from a highly annoying Man Utd fan at work. Robster, all I said was he's done an okay job this season. That's all. You've said you hate him and you will never accept him. You denied he's done an okay job. These are facts. I'm right. You're wrong.

Bruce not being a puppet replaced that attack with a £40M striker, and unlike Rafa plays nothing but attacking football. Surely the results should be better then? Bruce is clearly taking shit about Joelinton. It was never his decision and he is never going to stand up to Ashley. But it's a fact losing Perez and Rondon (23 total goals) is a massive one.

What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points? Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no? Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base. I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision. Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here. How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"? I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there. So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same? We aren't talking about putting a man off the street, that's just a daft example. How about putting in a young coach who's doing well in one of the lower leagues? Do I think he could have done as well as Bruce? Yes I do, maybe better tbh. So in that context Bruce hasn't done okay, he's just landed on his feet. So how many points then? Why won't you answer the question? It's a loaded question. You want me to say Bruce has done an okay job because he got 35 pts, but I don't think he had much to do with getting them. I think you could have put any manager in there after Rafa and we'd have got them, I said this before the season started fwiw. I always expected he'd have a honeymoon period first half of the season before the Bruce effect kicked in. Its a simple question Tron. Very simple.

What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points? Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no? Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base. I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision. Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here. How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"? I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there. So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same? People won't just look at a number. They'll take everything into account. Style of play, performance, tactics, team selection, post match analysis and of course, compliance with an already toxic club management. I'd say that in Bruce's case the points on the board are in spite of a shambolic performance in every aspect of his job. How many points did we need on the board, for you to say he's done an okay job? It's not a difficult question to answer. There is no number. I'll be big enough to say that i'll never accept what he does because I think that everything we get is in spite of him and not because of him. If you are prepared to give him credit for the number of points on the board then that's fair enough. Personally, I'm not. There's no number :lol: We win the league. "Fuck that fat cunt, he deserves no credit for winning the league. He's fucking shite." What the fuck are you about? Win the league You've literally said no matter, no matter how points Bruce got, you'd never say he's done an OKAY job. It's an insane comment. Think about it logically FFS. How can you talk about logic when you are talking about Steve Bruce winning the league ? As Newcastle fans, we have the perfect example in Alan Pardew. He managed once to get us to 5th thanks to some good fortune and a fantastic group of players. However he's clearly a terrible manager as the rest of his managerial record would prove. I can only say again that I can't say that he's done an okay job because I don't believe that our current position is by his design. You've said no matter how points Bruce got, you would never say he's done an okay job. It's a fucking crazy statement. Makes absolutely zero sense. It's not crazy as I fucking hate him and will never accept him. I'm also fully confident that he'll never get the team to a place (like Pardew did) where, on paper, it looks like he's done well. I'd say that the team have done OK but not Bruce. The teams position is in spite of Bruce, not because of him. You hate him and it's clouding your judgement. That's a fact.