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I think we're getting caught up in trying to frame a desperately dire situation into a slightly more optimistic one by saying the next 2 games are critical, when in actual fact every game upto the window opening is especially  critical. 

At this point in time it's not unrealistic to say 6 points from the next 6 games is a best case scenario for us. 

16 minutes ago, magorific said:

Almiron was gash. 

Nah, he did what he does best and advanced the ball further up the pitch which didn't happen at any point during the game prior to him coming on, thats a positive for me cos there's something to build on. 

I think the point is, he doesn't have the luxury of getting to learn from his mistakes like other new managers do.

He needs to get it right, very quickly. 

4 minutes ago, huss9 said:

likely just paranoid but starting to think there actually is an agenda against us.

some of the reffing decisions again us man.

 

 

 

 

 

I've genuinly thought the same with the way our fixture list has fallen. I cant possibly think of a worse run to have than ours during the busiest period of the season. 

We still got it all to come as well. January cant come quick enough imo

There were times where I wasn't sure which way we were attacking such was the frequency we turned back on ourselves.

I think Howe got a lot wrong today, really disappointing performance tbh.

Only positives were Almirons cameo and Dubravka 

Never was one to write off any of our players under the management teams we've had in our past but with Joelinton I gotta put my hand up and say at no point had I ever felt he was good enough until last Saturday. 

Hope he continues to prove me wrong.

30 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

 

Sorry, what?  Nine teams up, six of them (maybe soon to be seven) go down. But that is somehow proof that more teams stay up?   

 

You’re also unable to show me these 8-10 established teams from the previous five years.

 

Think you need to go to bed.

OK, I'll bite. 

If I'm only bothered about promoted teams in context to how it impacts us at this present moment in time, then why do I care about what they do next season?!  Nowt like a bit of stat padding, Fanny. 

So that's make 5 teams out of 9 who stay up in their 1st season up. 

Edit: but for the sake of argument, let's ignore all those facts and agree you're right and I'm wrong

15 minutes ago, Danh1 said:

Wonder how Rafa truly feels about being at Everton, especially now our takeover has happened.

 

They have got Liverpool next Wednesday and I think it could be the day the Scouse Mackems crowd turn on him if they get stuffed and the Liverpool fans are chanting his name. 

It think he's safe no matter. The owners will be seeing how he operates and that'll be enough to convinve them to ignore the noise. 

16 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

 

Well how would Pukki be good enough for our team, if he won’t be playing ahead of Wilson? Norwich’s main striker sitting on our bench.

 

Okay, let’s make this simple for you because you’re clearly a bit simple yourself:

 

2017/18 Promoted:

Wolves, Cardiff, Fulham

 

Two relegated next season.

 

2018/19 Promoted:

Norwich, Sheff Utd, Aston Villa

 

One relegated next season.

One relegated season after.

 

2019/20 Promoted:

Leeds, West Brom, Fulham

 

Two relegated next season.

 

Out of nine teams coming up, only three of them have survived more than two seasons, with Leeds questionable about staying up the second season and may make that two.

 

Where are these 10 established teams?

 

 

 

Says this:

Your point is proven to be wrong by the fact more often than not recently, the three who come up go down

Gives me stats proving his own shit point wrong 

Honestly that's enough from me, I don't want to derail this but for your own benefit, do teams with 6 points after 12 games. I'll let you have a full 20 years rather than just the last 3 though 

11 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

 

Pukki ahead of Wilson?  Now I know you’re talking crap.

 

Aarons has been awful for them this season. He’s no better than Lewis. As I said, none of their players would improve us, other than Cantwell.

 

Fulham, West Brom, Huddersfield, Sheff United, Swansea, Cardiff, Hull, Middlesbrough have all come up within the last five years and gone straight back down, or down within two seasons. Most of those have yo-yo’d between the two.

 

Add in Watford, Norwich and to some degree, Brighton and there are three more examples of teams going up and straight back down.

 

Top quality these days though, those Championship promoted teams.

 

 

 

Who said ahead of?! 

So hang on, you can name some teams who prove my point 'wrong' but ignore the absolute and unequivocal number of teams which prove your nonsensical point wrong. 

I'll make this point again, you've named about 2 teams who've escaped from our position (in about 20 years) and I can name about 8-10 who have stayed up an even established themselves in the league in the last 10. I dont actually know what's hard to grasp here.

Honestly fanny you're a relentlessly crap poster

Edit: anyway, cba anymore, don't think there's anything more to say. Pl's much much stronger now than it ever has been. 

12 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

 

Just not true. Using Cardiff as one example is not representative. 

 

Who would you have in our team from Norwich? One player, maybe? Two? Cantwell and maybe Normann? Even still I’m not sure they’d directly improve us.

 

Your point is proven to be wrong by the fact more often than not recently, the three who come up go down. Which is happening more regularly than it did a few years ago.

 

 

Cantwell, Pukki and Aaron's to name but 3 as you asked. The point being that the quality of the league overall is much much stronger than it ever was in the years gone past and that's without mentioning the fact the quality of managers is also unprecedented in this league at present. 

Hardly proven wrong like when you can only pull a couple of examples of teams who've escaped from our position in god knows how long...

I dunno if I'm missing something but there's a significant number of teams who've come up from the championship and stayed up in recent years. I think there's only West Brom, Fulham and Stoke in the championship at present who've had any real time in the PL in the past decade, the rest of the league are thereabout teams, plus half the teams in the PL at present have come from the Championship, no?

10 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

 

Norwich, Brentford and Watford are no better than previous teams to come up. 

All 3 teams have players I'd have in our team. Go back 5-6 years ago and that wouldn't happen. 

The league is absolutely full of quality. 

I dont remember in the past looking at Cardiff and thinking, "aye there's 2-3 players who'd be more than good enough for our team"

9 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

Not really. 
 

The usual candidates are currently in the top 3. Mitrovic is scoring goals like a prime R9 and with the money we have. We’d be able to get certain players to stay and recruit properly to see us back up, in my opinion. 

Poorly put from me but I was referencing posts saying how teams have escaped relegation from worse positions than us in the past and how that's not a fair comparison owing to the fact that teams coming up are now getting promoted with gifted players whereas I don't think that was the case in the past. 

People looking at the past for examples of precedents are ignoring the fact that the quality of the league has grown exponentially these past few years. 

Even Championship teams are coming up with premeir league quality players in their midst. A few years ago buying from the Championship was rare, now it's a good indicator of quality as the league is so good itself. 

13 minutes ago, gazza ladra said:

Emery turned down. Anyone else? As far as I know we got our second choice. (Long term may be we lucked out. I am not disappointed so far.)

 

What was Bruce? Ninth? 

Obviously I don't know for certain, but I'd be hugely surprised if PIF hadn't sounded out other managers. Seems inconceivable that Emery and Howe were and always were number 1 and 2 target. 

Not a dig at Eddie, like, really impressed with things so far but I think it's naive to suggest this gets fixed in January solely because we're minted.

There's a lot of factors players will be considering other than just money; relegation, no CL, the manager's profile, the fact it's mid season and the summer window is only a few months away etc etc.

Players turn down pay packets literally all the time, it's naive to think it'll be different for us.

4 minutes ago, Kaizero said:

We'll buy our way out of trouble in January. We have endless money. The Saudis will not want their sportswashing happening in the Championship, so we'll spend what we need to survive.

 

"Oooh, player X won't come if we're cut adrift". Like fuck he won't join. Wave enough money at a player and almost anyone will join.

 

The only possible positive from the Ashley regime is how much we can fucking spend and still not fuck with FFP. 

 

"Oh, but putting too many new players into a team will make them not work well together."

 

They're all fucking professional footballers and we'll buy a fuckload of the ones at the more talented end of the scale. If we as a team have an understandable style of play there'll be no issues, and we'll have that with Howe.

 

 

 

Same could have been said for our manager search but it didn't quite turn out that way.

26 minutes ago, Decky said:

 

We've played two thirds of the teams in this league and haven't won a single game. BTW, that final third that we havent played? Away to Arsenal, Leicester, Liverpool and home to Man City are four of those games. I think people have NUFC goggles on, if this was any other team we'd all be saying they're dead and buried. 

The ace up our sleeve is the January window, but even then I don't know what kind of player would join us under these circumstances.

Even if we were somehow manage to scrape our way to 17th by Jan (which looks like the absolute very best case scenario with our fixture list), which players would join be willing to join a relegation scrap? 

The better players will always have better options, and the lesser quality players who would still be quality signings will surely always be thinking about the eventuality that they'll be replaced soon as safety is secured. 

I've gone from being quite optimistic and excited to genuinly worried that our defence will ultimately cost us. 

Thought he had a very good second half and happy to see his workrate but not sure Willock was the right partner for him and vice versa. 

Excellent today.

That late chance was a shocker but after seeing that performance I feel quite confident he'll learn from that, which is not something I thought I see myself write. 

Not sure we escape this. 

Saw plenty of positives today, but the biggest disappointment was that we still looked disorganised defensively, and that was something I'd hoped would be addressed straight away or would at least see some semblence of change. 

Convincing targets to join us in January is going to be a tough ask coming out that December fixture list. Things need to improve dramatically and quickly. 

Interesting none of us could figure out what formation we could be playing, which says less about us and more about the fact we learnt fuck all about the players the last 2 years. 

Gutted lads

38 minutes ago, KaKa said:

Linked with both Jonathan David and Aurélien Tchouaméni today.

 

Two incredibly talented 21 year olds, who have been linked with all the top clubs. However, they will be guaranteed to play far more if they came to us first. Might be the strategy we go for to try and convince them to join us instead.

We're a final destination now

Don't listen to what anyone says, you should both absolutely carry on doing God's work

Also, Potter>>>>>>OGS

1 hour ago, Rafalove said:

Someone from the dailymail reading this forum? We were on about this just the other day.

If they are then let me be the first to tell them they're cunts for working for that shitrag.