TheBrownBottle

APT was ruled to be in line with commercial law - it helps maintain competitiveness - the issue is the way in which the rules were put in place.

How would they show loss of income?

You’d struggle to make an argument that NUFC are of equal stature mind

It’s especially problematic in the present with so many clubs in the top flight whose ‘natural’ home is in the lower leagues who happily vote against ambitious clubs on a self-serving basis while the lower leagues have quite a few clubs who - if they were in the top flight - would likely actually have some ambition

That’s the funniest outcome of this - the exposure of these clubs being so completely self-serving as to implement rules against others but not themselves.

Swings and roundabouts - it potentially reduces buyers for your players in the market, too. I’ve fuck all sympathy for the likes of Brighton, mind. They’ve had huge sums poured in and the media goes on as if a miracle has occurred.

The American owners didn’t effectively own most of the wealth and companies in the US, though. It would have been the likes of Leicester with their King Power deals which would have been targeted too - the ‘racist’ element never made any sense as an attack line.

Something worth remembering is that Man City’s challenge was only re the amended rules from Feb this year

100% - I’m just a curmudgeon on this stuff; I never have much positivity when it’s out of our own hands

Yep, true enough - some of the pieces on the board have been thrown into the air with this. I can’t see it not having significant impacts on the PL generally - but it’s NUFC specifically where I’m struggling to see a significant impact.

Yeah, some of those charges do go back to Etihad sponsorship as it relates to how much actually came from the airline and how much came directly from the ownership - and the emails involved in the case suggests that Man City were deliberately pretending that it was a sponsorship deal (which it looks like it was direct investment), which would of course mean that the actual sponsor amount was significantly less than that reported. Don’t worry mate; this is all conjecture from me too - I’m not a lawyer nor a legal expert (I realise we’re layman debating this!), I do find it oddly fun. But I’m no more right than you are

As ever, they would need a club to challenge them - and if all these rules were truly fundamental breaches of commercial law then I’d have expected Man City to have smashed the PL to pieces. Instead we’ve got adjudication ruling that APT is in line with commercial law

I agree with everything you’ve written, though I would say that the only impact on us this summer just gone re the rules which have been ruled on would likely have been Brighton not being able to buy Minteh and us copping a big points deduction (or selling a star player).

In all honesty, it would likely need to be a much higher ceiling - you’d need to go back and look at club’s incomes and Man City’s deal in relation to others Though of course the fact that this is one of the sponsorship deals that could see Man City receive serious punishment could prove an issue

Tbf, that tweet is saying the same thing as being reported everywhere else - APT ruled as legal, PL rules around burden of proof and shareholder loans not legal.

Which wouldn’t leave us any better off, as football escalation doesn’t follow the wider economy. You’d need to produce football-related indices to do that I suspect - not sure how feasible that would be

It is significant. It just isn’t for us.

It does, which would require them comparing them to other clubs - and I can’t see us being compared to Man City or Chelsea. We’re pretty much back to where we were in January (though clubs with owner-related loans definitely aren’t). Unless something else is coming down the pipeline, then we’re not about to get a load of PIF-related sponsors which would put us on steroids. Ashley left a lot of debt - happily, that was cleared in the takeover.

They haven’t, though. We’d just get massive points deductions.

Simon Jordan thought we could spend £800m in Jan 2022 and managed to bankrupt himself with his running of Palace. He’s a whopper alright, but I’m happy to take what he says with a massive dose of salt.

It definitely hits those clubs, and possibly hard. Which is a massive change. But in terms of NUFC, little has changed.

Yes, the PL implements them from this season - though this year at a reduced % before full compliance next season

Raising the headroom isn’t feasible as clubs are now complying with UEFA rules re outgoings as a % of turnover, and this includes reduced acceptable losses (totalling €90m max over three years)

Agreed, but the UEFA rules snooker that