Guest SLK Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Very very late substitutions by Allardyce and he got all 3 wrong with the people he replaced too - Butt had a shocking game today compared to his amazing game against WestHam...He was invisible for most of the game and made some shocking passes...We needed creativity in midfield and Emre should have come in the first half after 15 minutes not at the 87th minute...What was Emre going to do for 3 minutes What was that sub about - Geremi was far far more productive than Butt...Why was he replaced instead of Butt - After going down 2-1, why didn't Sam push N'Zogbia to LW to cause more trouble to Man city and create more chances...Why did Sam wait till the 76th minute for Enrique to come on We went down to their 2nd goal so earily in the 2nd half...N'Zogbia at LB is a CRIME - Taylor was having mare...Why wasn't he replaced so much earlier and put Faye on instead Honestly If I could see these problems, how come Sam can't Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Well, we had next to nothing on the bench, that was the biggest problem today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSG Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Well, we had next to nothing on the bench, that was the biggest problem today. Emre could have come on. Jose Enrique could have come on to allow Zog to move up the pitch. Two options that should have been used a good 30 mins earlier, if not from the start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Well, we had next to nothing on the bench, that was the biggest problem today. Enrique should have been on after 60 mins, Emre after 75 ish, that was plenty enough to give us a better chance of equalising. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardsleymagic Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Well, we had next to nothing on the bench, that was the biggest problem today. Emre could have come on. Jose Enrique could have come on to allow Zog to move up the pitch. Two options that should have been used a good 30 mins earlier, if not from the start. Aye, can't argue with you on that mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Much like the Derby game, not at all impressed with his decision making in pre match tactics especially. Important thing after Derby was that we learned something from it... however just seems to have the same midfield out today anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SLK Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Well, we had next to nothing on the bench, that was the biggest problem today. Sorry but that is Bull mate...There was no problem with our attack...The problem was in midfield and a bit in the back...Mainly Butt being in instead of Emre...Geremi coming off when he should have stayed instead of Butt...N'Zogbia at LB instead of LW when Enrique should have been on at the latest from the 2nd half after going down 2-1 so earily in the 2nd half...Not replacing Taylor earlier in the game when he wasn't playing well either... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Enrique was the only real option, Emre doesn't create much, he is always far to to deep. I don't think we would have seen anything different from him had he come on 20 minutes earlier. The other two, Pattison and Faye offer nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardsleymagic Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 To be honest, I think this result shows that we haven't the personnel to play 4-3-3 effectively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Exactly, no matter what changes were made it would all be pretty hopeless, our whole midfield just isn't working. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SLK Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Enrique was the only real option, Emre doesn't create much, he is always far to to deep. I don't think we would have seen anything different from him had he come on 20 minutes earlier. The other two, Pattison and Faye offer nothing. Emre would have created more than Butt today...Anyone would have created more than Butt today...We lost the game because of our midfield today couldn't coupe with Man City's centre midfield... Taylor should have been replaced much earlier too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geordiesned Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Well, we had next to nothing on the bench, that was the biggest problem today. I think we did. Early in the 2nd half Emre and Enrique should have come on for the (yet again) anonymous Smith and the poor Butt. Switch to 4-4-2, push Zoggy to left wing, Emre as attacking midfielder and actually have a go at them. Unforunately it seems as though Smith, Geremi and Butt are untouchable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Butt isn't in there to create, he is in there to mop up loose balls and give the ball to players who can create. Unfortunately we don't have any. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSG Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Well, we had next to nothing on the bench, that was the biggest problem today. I think we did. Early in the 2nd half Emre and Enrique should have come on for the (yet again) anonymous Smith and the poor Butt. Switch to 4-4-2, push Zoggy to left wing, Emre as attacking midfielder and actually have a go at them. Unforunately it seems as though Smith, Geremi and Butt are untouchable. It's crazy that 99% of this forum can see that yet the man that counts can't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Harry-Norway Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 totally agree Why gange 2 defenders when we 1 goal down,Emre could do it worse the Butt did,so he should been in much earlier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geordiesned Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Exactly, no matter what changes were made it would all be pretty hopeless, our whole midfield just isn't working. Allardyce picked that formation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geordiesned Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Butt isn't in there to create, he is in there to mop up loose balls and give the ball to players who can create. Unfortunately we don't have any. Our entire midfield seems to be in there to mop up loose balls but we have no players there who can create. Zoggy is at left back and Emre was on the bench! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Butt isn't in there to create, he is in there to mop up loose balls and give the ball to players who can create. Unfortunately we don't have any. Our entire midfield seems to be in there to mop up loose balls but we have no players there who can create. Zoggy is at left back and Emre was on the bench! It's funny because it's true ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SLK Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 I want Coach HTT to tell me what Allarydce learned this time from our first half and what he did to change things !!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jamesmartinsmith Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 See my sig, that's the team I think we should have played today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Harry-Norway Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Toon have a lot of good players,but i think its the way Sam plays them which is the problem and i miss the guts to bleed for the stipes in some of the players,we cant play like this for long,the West H game we won,but we could easy have lost that one too,The Derby game sucks and so didt to days game as well. Many have said it before,and i am more and more agree,IS Sam the right man for TOON??????????? You still have to convince me Sam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Defensive mishaps cost us today above all else. I agree though, both Emre and Enrique should have been on earlier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Nguyen Van Falk Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Well, we had next to nothing on the bench, that was the biggest problem today. I think we did. Early in the 2nd half Emre and Enrique should have come on for the (yet again) anonymous Smith and the poor Butt. Switch to 4-4-2, push Zoggy to left wing, Emre as attacking midfielder and actually have a go at them. Unforunately it seems as though Smith, Geremi and Butt are untouchable. It's crazy that 99% of this forum can see that yet the man that counts can't. Been the same under the past 3 managers now IIRC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Well, we had next to nothing on the bench, that was the biggest problem today. I think we did. Early in the 2nd half Emre and Enrique should have come on for the (yet again) anonymous Smith and the poor Butt. Switch to 4-4-2, push Zoggy to left wing, Emre as attacking midfielder and actually have a go at them. Unforunately it seems as though Smith, Geremi and Butt are untouchable. It's crazy that 99% of this forum can see that yet the man that counts can't. Aye, lets replace them with that injured duo Emre and Barton... We have to play those three because that's all we really have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSG Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Well, we had next to nothing on the bench, that was the biggest problem today. I think we did. Early in the 2nd half Emre and Enrique should have come on for the (yet again) anonymous Smith and the poor Butt. Switch to 4-4-2, push Zoggy to left wing, Emre as attacking midfielder and actually have a go at them. Unforunately it seems as though Smith, Geremi and Butt are untouchable. It's crazy that 99% of this forum can see that yet the man that counts can't. Aye, lets replace them with that injured duo Emre and Barton... We have to play those three because that's all we really have. Or replace them with the fuly fit Enrique and Emre. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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