Should Allardyce have been given/spent more in the summer?

[NE5]

 

Hence my angle on this thread ie the spend could have done with being a touch more aggressive.

 

Also a lot of this tinkering is cause he didn't buy any utter stand out quality.

 

But you were happy with the defenders he brought in at the time.

 

Tbf I was and continue to be overjoyed with Enrique who will get better and better and Faye who is coming into his own.

 

But as my many whinging threads about CM's (creative or otherwise) are a testament I was worried as soon as the window shut about our ability to compete  with proper football in mf.

 

I said all summer that the lack of pace and creativity would cost us and it has, replacing Dyer with Smith was madness and we're now left with a team of grafters rather than any genuine pace and penetration in the team, our only players capable of this are either on the bench or playing out of position at left back.

 

As for signing better quality defenders, he said players wouldn't come here because we were not in Europe and I believe him, Ben Haim went to Chelsea, Distin had already agreed to join Pompey, Heinze turned us down flat, Silvestre turned us down because he didn't like Barton and Man Utd would only sell Brown if Heinze stayed, what other players with Premiership experience stand out apart from them who would leave their current club to come here?

 

My biggest worry now is that if players turned us down last year because of no European football, there's a good chance we're going to have the same problem next Summer too.

 

you never give up do you. Who replaced Solano then, and why didnt' we replace him ?

 

 

 

Allardyce said at the time he wouldn't of let Solano leave if he hadn't completed the deal for Beye, which suggests he seen Nobby as a right back.

 

is the wrong answer. The question was who would have replaced Nobby as a forward player, and why didnt' we replace him.

 

 

 

It's not the wrong answer, it's just not what you want to hear.

 

Allardyce said at the time he wouldn't of let Solano leave if he hadn't completed the deal for Beye, why do you think he said this if he viewed Nobby as a forward player?

 

There's only one person here who only "wants to hear what the want".

 

Who decided we could do without pace and creativity in midfield, and why / what factors were involved ? Answer the question. Your opinion, but answer it.

 

 

 

 

 

I'll tell you what, you answer my question and I'll happily answer yours.

 

Allardyce said at the time he wouldn't of let Solano leave if he hadn't completed the deal for Beye, why do you think he said this if he viewed Nobby as a forward player?

 

I agree with Parkys comment. Now answer me.

 

 

 

That isn't really an answer, I'll let you off though because as someone pointed out this thread could get ruined.

 

Allardyce decided not to add pace and creativity into the midfield, why? who knows? What I do know is he spent £25 million in the Summer and chose to spend it how he wanted.

 

Before we sold players. Liverpool spent 23m on one player. I'm pleased you think such small time thinking will catch them. Congratulations, you've shown again how clueless you are. Nor will you admit the obvious, but I knew you wouldn't, every time I've touched on this subject you avoided a straight answer.

 

Never mind Baggy, the club was running itself "like a business" and the chairman didn't embarrass you. So thats alright. If this is what you wanted, stop moaning if such a thing is possible for you.

 

 

Do you honestly think a £23 million pound player like Torres would come here without Europe?

 

He isn't like Michael Owen who we had over a barrell and to suggest we could even compete with the likes of Liverpool for signings like that shows how far out of touch with reality you are.

 

 

not surprised in the slightest you don't get it. You plod on with budget buys, and we never will, or get anywhere near them.

 

Thats reality. Something you have never grasped, despite me trying. You may learn one day.

 

 

[Guest optimistic nit]

on your first point though, i am content with how much we've spent. west ham and citeh have both been throwing their money about. it will work for citeh, it wont for the hammers, but there are other ways to improve in this new world. we had a better squad than citeh but more off the field problems than you could shake a stick at. we needed sorting out good and proper and we're on the way to that now, but you can still see the shades of the debacle the previous lot left us with, and can we expect anything else, after less than 6 months?

 

 

Alan Curbishley isn't the most inspiring of managers, but you can't argue with signing players like Solano and Bellamy. Shame we didn't still have both of those players here.

 

We would be a different team entirely.

 

 

 

 

he only bought solano because dyer got injured though. aye i'd have bellamy, but he's done exactly what we did, give champions league wages and transfer fees (or better) to uefa cup players. its also the same as what sunderland and fulham did in the transfer window. spend ludicrous sums on players who aren't worth half as much because they are desperate and can't attract better. one thing i will say is that none of that happened to us. man citeh did everything perfectly. didn't buy overpaid wasters but good players, quite unkown most of them.

[NE5]

on your first point though, i am content with how much we've spent. west ham and citeh have both been throwing their money about. it will work for citeh, it wont for the hammers, but there are other ways to improve in this new world. we had a better squad than citeh but more off the field problems than you could shake a stick at. we needed sorting out good and proper and we're on the way to that now, but you can still see the shades of the debacle the previous lot left us with, and can we expect anything else, after less than 6 months?

 

 

How much did West Ham spend net in the summer?

 

Will they care if they do well ?

 

Budget buy Baggio and his words of wisdom ...  mackems.gif

[SUPERTOON]

Only problem i had was replacing Dyer was Smith

 

Was glad to see Dyer go but Smith was not his replacement and i think he now knows that and will try to sign someone for that postion

 

I dont think pace is that key but someone such as Riquelme who can thread balls through to Owen or Martins

[Guest optimistic nit]

on your first point though, i am content with how much we've spent. west ham and citeh have both been throwing their money about. it will work for citeh, it wont for the hammers, but there are other ways to improve in this new world. we had a better squad than citeh but more off the field problems than you could shake a stick at. we needed sorting out good and proper and we're on the way to that now, but you can still see the shades of the debacle the previous lot left us with, and can we expect anything else, after less than 6 months?

 

 

How much did West Ham spend net in the summer?

not that much on transfer fees but dyer and bellamy are supposed to be on huge wages and they generally seemed desperate to land anyone with any quality no matter what price. they matched bents asking price straight away, spurs at least pretended they had some balls.

[Baggio]

 

Do you honestly think a £23 million pound player like Torres would come here without Europe?

 

He isn't like Michael Owen who we had over a barrell and to suggest we could even compete with the likes of Liverpool for signings like that shows how far out of touch with reality you are.

 

 

not surprised in the slightest you don't get it. You plod on with budget buys, and we never will, or get anywhere near them.

 

Thats reality. Something you have never grasped, despite me trying. You may learn one day.

 

 

 

Do you honestly think the likes of Torres would sign for us if we moved for him at the beginning of the season?

 

As I've said, Allardyce spent £25 million, £11 million net on players he wanted, if he didn't buy a creative player or players with pace then that is down to him.

 

As for me being happy with how the club is run, don't forget you were happy with the takeover too and couldn't wait to sell your shares.

[Baggio]

on your first point though, i am content with how much we've spent. west ham and citeh have both been throwing their money about. it will work for citeh, it wont for the hammers, but there are other ways to improve in this new world. we had a better squad than citeh but more off the field problems than you could shake a stick at. we needed sorting out good and proper and we're on the way to that now, but you can still see the shades of the debacle the previous lot left us with, and can we expect anything else, after less than 6 months?

 

 

How much did West Ham spend net in the summer?

 

Will they care if they do well ?

 

Budget buy Baggio and his words of wisdom ...  mackems.gif

 

Actually NE5 I ask because they spent around the same as us, maybe even less.

 

Budget buy West Ham too it seems.

[NE5]

on your first point though, i am content with how much we've spent. west ham and citeh have both been throwing their money about. it will work for citeh, it wont for the hammers, but there are other ways to improve in this new world. we had a better squad than citeh but more off the field problems than you could shake a stick at. we needed sorting out good and proper and we're on the way to that now, but you can still see the shades of the debacle the previous lot left us with, and can we expect anything else, after less than 6 months?

 

 

Alan Curbishley isn't the most inspiring of managers, but you can't argue with signing players like Solano and Bellamy. Shame we didn't still have both of those players here.

 

We would be a different team entirely.

 

 

 

he only bought solano because dyer got injured though. aye i'd have bellamy, but he's done exactly what we did, give champions league wages and transfer fees (or better) to uefa cup players. its also the same as what sunderland and fulham did in the transfer window. spend ludicrous sums on players who aren't worth half as much because they are desperate and can't attract better. one thing i will say is that none of that happened to us. man citeh did everything perfectly. didn't buy overpaid wasters but good players, quite unkown most of them.

 

Actually, I don't think West Ham have spent much "net" to be honest, maybe because they've done well with getting so many of our ex players on the cheap, apart from Dire

 

But any club that wants to join the top 4 clubs has to match them. There are no budget short cuts. We got close and got in there for a short while because we operated like them, and that is the ONLY reason why.

 

 

[Baggio]

on your first point though, i am content with how much we've spent. west ham and citeh have both been throwing their money about. it will work for citeh, it wont for the hammers, but there are other ways to improve in this new world. we had a better squad than citeh but more off the field problems than you could shake a stick at. we needed sorting out good and proper and we're on the way to that now, but you can still see the shades of the debacle the previous lot left us with, and can we expect anything else, after less than 6 months?

 

 

How much did West Ham spend net in the summer?

not that much on transfer fees but dyer and bellamy are supposed to be on huge wages and they generally seemed desperate to land anyone with any quality no matter what price. they matched bents asking price straight away, spurs at least pretended they had some balls.

 

Spurs have earned there's buy running the club properly over the past few years, whatever they spend on players is what they've made through profit.

[Baggio]

on your first point though, i am content with how much we've spent. west ham and citeh have both been throwing their money about. it will work for citeh, it wont for the hammers, but there are other ways to improve in this new world. we had a better squad than citeh but more off the field problems than you could shake a stick at. we needed sorting out good and proper and we're on the way to that now, but you can still see the shades of the debacle the previous lot left us with, and can we expect anything else, after less than 6 months?

 

 

Alan Curbishley isn't the most inspiring of managers, but you can't argue with signing players like Solano and Bellamy. Shame we didn't still have both of those players here.

 

We would be a different team entirely.

 

 

 

he only bought solano because dyer got injured though. aye i'd have bellamy, but he's done exactly what we did, give champions league wages and transfer fees (or better) to uefa cup players. its also the same as what sunderland and fulham did in the transfer window. spend ludicrous sums on players who aren't worth half as much because they are desperate and can't attract better. one thing i will say is that none of that happened to us. man citeh did everything perfectly. didn't buy overpaid wasters but good players, quite unkown most of them.

 

Actually, I don't think West Ham have spent much "net" to be honest, maybe because they've done well with getting so many of our ex players on the cheap, apart from Dire

 

But any club that wants to join the top 4 clubs has to match them. There are no budget short cuts. We got close and got in there for a short while because we operated like them, and that is the ONLY reason why.

 

 

 

And nearly went bust because of it.

 

Still, at least you had your trophy signing.

[NE5]

on your first point though, i am content with how much we've spent. west ham and citeh have both been throwing their money about. it will work for citeh, it wont for the hammers, but there are other ways to improve in this new world. we had a better squad than citeh but more off the field problems than you could shake a stick at. we needed sorting out good and proper and we're on the way to that now, but you can still see the shades of the debacle the previous lot left us with, and can we expect anything else, after less than 6 months?

 

 

How much did West Ham spend net in the summer?

 

Will they care if they do well ?

 

Budget buy Baggio and his words of wisdom ...  mackems.gif

 

Actually NE5 I ask because they spent around the same as us, maybe even less.

 

Budget buy West Ham too it seems.

 

Aye, see my next post. Still haven't answered me though have you, not really ?  Like I said, if you think you can join the top 4 clubs without competing with them, you are completely deluded.

 

It would appear someone inside the club has decided he didn't want to do that this summer, wouldn't you agree ?

 

 

[NE5]

on your first point though, i am content with how much we've spent. west ham and citeh have both been throwing their money about. it will work for citeh, it wont for the hammers, but there are other ways to improve in this new world. we had a better squad than citeh but more off the field problems than you could shake a stick at. we needed sorting out good and proper and we're on the way to that now, but you can still see the shades of the debacle the previous lot left us with, and can we expect anything else, after less than 6 months?

 

 

Alan Curbishley isn't the most inspiring of managers, but you can't argue with signing players like Solano and Bellamy. Shame we didn't still have both of those players here.

 

We would be a different team entirely.

 

 

 

he only bought solano because dyer got injured though. aye i'd have bellamy, but he's done exactly what we did, give champions league wages and transfer fees (or better) to uefa cup players. its also the same as what sunderland and fulham did in the transfer window. spend ludicrous sums on players who aren't worth half as much because they are desperate and can't attract better. one thing i will say is that none of that happened to us. man citeh did everything perfectly. didn't buy overpaid wasters but good players, quite unkown most of them.

 

Actually, I don't think West Ham have spent much "net" to be honest, maybe because they've done well with getting so many of our ex players on the cheap, apart from Dire

 

But any club that wants to join the top 4 clubs has to match them. There are no budget short cuts. We got close and got in there for a short while because we operated like them, and that is the ONLY reason why.

 

 

 

And nearly went bust because of it.

 

Still, at least you had your trophy signing.

 

You wouldn't know what a trophy signing is if he smacked you on the head with a rusty hammer.

 

Pleased you think the top 4 teams win the trophies because they don't make trophy signings........keep it up Baggy, now you're getting funny

 

 

[NE5]

on your first point though, i am content with how much we've spent. west ham and citeh have both been throwing their money about. it will work for citeh, it wont for the hammers, but there are other ways to improve in this new world. we had a better squad than citeh but more off the field problems than you could shake a stick at. we needed sorting out good and proper and we're on the way to that now, but you can still see the shades of the debacle the previous lot left us with, and can we expect anything else, after less than 6 months?

 

 

How much did West Ham spend net in the summer?

not that much on transfer fees but dyer and bellamy are supposed to be on huge wages and they generally seemed desperate to land anyone with any quality no matter what price. they matched bents asking price straight away, spurs at least pretended they had some balls.

 

Spurs have earned there's buy running the club properly over the past few years, whatever they spend on players is what they've made through profit.

 

Welcome to Groundhog Day

 

 

[Baggio]

on your first point though, i am content with how much we've spent. west ham and citeh have both been throwing their money about. it will work for citeh, it wont for the hammers, but there are other ways to improve in this new world. we had a better squad than citeh but more off the field problems than you could shake a stick at. we needed sorting out good and proper and we're on the way to that now, but you can still see the shades of the debacle the previous lot left us with, and can we expect anything else, after less than 6 months?

 

 

How much did West Ham spend net in the summer?

 

Will they care if they do well ?

 

Budget buy Baggio and his words of wisdom ...  mackems.gif

 

Actually NE5 I ask because they spent around the same as us, maybe even less.

 

Budget buy West Ham too it seems.

 

Aye, see my next post. Still haven't answered me though have you, not really ?  Like I said, if you think you can join the top 4 clubs without competing with them, you are completely deluded.

 

It would appear someone inside the club has decided he didn't want to do that this summer, wouldn't you agree ?

 

 

 

I think someone inside the club has decided to build the club up from the bottom rather than just throw money at the problem and hope for a quick fix, we've tried that before and won nothing, we have a good few seasons and then drop like a stone because the foundations are not there.

 

First job was to clear the debt and pad out the squad, next will be to shape that squad and start adding quality to it which we will see in the next 2 transfer windows.

 

 

[Guest optimistic nit]

on your first point though, i am content with how much we've spent. west ham and citeh have both been throwing their money about. it will work for citeh, it wont for the hammers, but there are other ways to improve in this new world. we had a better squad than citeh but more off the field problems than you could shake a stick at. we needed sorting out good and proper and we're on the way to that now, but you can still see the shades of the debacle the previous lot left us with, and can we expect anything else, after less than 6 months?

 

 

Alan Curbishley isn't the most inspiring of managers, but you can't argue with signing players like Solano and Bellamy. Shame we didn't still have both of those players here.

 

We would be a different team entirely.

 

 

 

he only bought solano because dyer got injured though. aye i'd have bellamy, but he's done exactly what we did, give champions league wages and transfer fees (or better) to uefa cup players. its also the same as what sunderland and fulham did in the transfer window. spend ludicrous sums on players who aren't worth half as much because they are desperate and can't attract better. one thing i will say is that none of that happened to us. man citeh did everything perfectly. didn't buy overpaid wasters but good players, quite unkown most of them.

 

Actually, I don't think West Ham have spent much "net" to be honest, maybe because they've done well with getting so many of our ex players on the cheap, apart from Dire

 

But any club that wants to join the top 4 clubs has to match them. There are no budget short cuts. We got close and got in there for a short while because we operated like them, and that is the ONLY reason why.

 

 

 

no they don't, don't get me wrong they'll have to give some players 80grand a week or more, there's no getting round that depressingly, but they'll not be giving the dyers and bellamy's of this world that much money. i can't see west ham getting anywhere, they'll do well to finish top half, but i can see citeh breaking the top 4 by 2009/2010 or 2010/2011 if they match the improvement they've made this season every season. i think west ham will still be mid table then. in 2010 citeh will be paying a few players top dollar, if they have ambition, but it will be players with the desired quality.  we can do that as well if we manage it right. i don't think we've done that badly in august. more will need to be spent next august that last august, but we've got some good names in defence now at least, and we can build on that.

[Baggio]

on your first point though, i am content with how much we've spent. west ham and citeh have both been throwing their money about. it will work for citeh, it wont for the hammers, but there are other ways to improve in this new world. we had a better squad than citeh but more off the field problems than you could shake a stick at. we needed sorting out good and proper and we're on the way to that now, but you can still see the shades of the debacle the previous lot left us with, and can we expect anything else, after less than 6 months?

 

 

Alan Curbishley isn't the most inspiring of managers, but you can't argue with signing players like Solano and Bellamy. Shame we didn't still have both of those players here.

 

We would be a different team entirely.

 

 

 

he only bought solano because dyer got injured though. aye i'd have bellamy, but he's done exactly what we did, give champions league wages and transfer fees (or better) to uefa cup players. its also the same as what sunderland and fulham did in the transfer window. spend ludicrous sums on players who aren't worth half as much because they are desperate and can't attract better. one thing i will say is that none of that happened to us. man citeh did everything perfectly. didn't buy overpaid wasters but good players, quite unkown most of them.

 

Actually, I don't think West Ham have spent much "net" to be honest, maybe because they've done well with getting so many of our ex players on the cheap, apart from Dire

 

But any club that wants to join the top 4 clubs has to match them. There are no budget short cuts. We got close and got in there for a short while because we operated like them, and that is the ONLY reason why.

 

 

 

So West Ham didn't spend much net either but managed to bring in players with pace, no doubt the players Curbishley wanted.

 

I think you've answered your own question there as to why we didn't bring players in with pace when you acknowledge Curbishley did with the same budget.

 

Anyway this thread is getting ruined so I won't be replying to you again.

[NE5]

on your first point though, i am content with how much we've spent. west ham and citeh have both been throwing their money about. it will work for citeh, it wont for the hammers, but there are other ways to improve in this new world. we had a better squad than citeh but more off the field problems than you could shake a stick at. we needed sorting out good and proper and we're on the way to that now, but you can still see the shades of the debacle the previous lot left us with, and can we expect anything else, after less than 6 months?

 

 

How much did West Ham spend net in the summer?

 

Will they care if they do well ?

 

Budget buy Baggio and his words of wisdom ...  mackems.gif

 

Actually NE5 I ask because they spent around the same as us, maybe even less.

 

Budget buy West Ham too it seems.

 

Aye, see my next post. Still haven't answered me though have you, not really ?  Like I said, if you think you can join the top 4 clubs without competing with them, you are completely deluded.

 

It would appear someone inside the club has decided he didn't want to do that this summer, wouldn't you agree ?

 

 

 

I think someone inside the club has decided to build the club up from the bottom rather than just throw money at the problem and hope for a quick fix, we've tried that before and won nothing, we have a good few seasons and then drop like a stone because the foundations are not there.

 

First job was to clear the debt and pad out the squad, next will be to shape that squad and start adding quality to it which we will see in the next 2 transfer windows.

 

 

Well, if you really think that, stop moaning on about Smith like a big tart all the time, when we needed some character instead of that little weasel shitebag Dire, who stands on the goal line dreaming of his next shag while the ball drops into the goal right next to him.

 

But I suspect you're trying to back away because you know you're in a corner with this one now.

 

 

[NE5]

on your first point though, i am content with how much we've spent. west ham and citeh have both been throwing their money about. it will work for citeh, it wont for the hammers, but there are other ways to improve in this new world. we had a better squad than citeh but more off the field problems than you could shake a stick at. we needed sorting out good and proper and we're on the way to that now, but you can still see the shades of the debacle the previous lot left us with, and can we expect anything else, after less than 6 months?

 

 

Alan Curbishley isn't the most inspiring of managers, but you can't argue with signing players like Solano and Bellamy. Shame we didn't still have both of those players here.

 

We would be a different team entirely.

 

 

 

he only bought solano because dyer got injured though. aye i'd have bellamy, but he's done exactly what we did, give champions league wages and transfer fees (or better) to uefa cup players. its also the same as what sunderland and fulham did in the transfer window. spend ludicrous sums on players who aren't worth half as much because they are desperate and can't attract better. one thing i will say is that none of that happened to us. man citeh did everything perfectly. didn't buy overpaid wasters but good players, quite unkown most of them.

 

Actually, I don't think West Ham have spent much "net" to be honest, maybe because they've done well with getting so many of our ex players on the cheap, apart from Dire

 

But any club that wants to join the top 4 clubs has to match them. There are no budget short cuts. We got close and got in there for a short while because we operated like them, and that is the ONLY reason why.

 

 

 

So West Ham didn't spend much net either but managed to bring in players with pace, no doubt the players Curbishley wanted.

 

I think you've answered your own question there as to why we didn't bring players in with pace when you acknowledge Curbishley did with the same budget.

 

Anyway this thread is getting ruined so I won't be replying to you again.

 

Well, if you think Curbishley has better judgement than Allardyce, based on the fact that you are moaning on about Allardyce and his buys all the time, you should have touted Curbishley for our job instead of when you did Allardyce.

 

 

[NE5]

on your first point though, i am content with how much we've spent. west ham and citeh have both been throwing their money about. it will work for citeh, it wont for the hammers, but there are other ways to improve in this new world. we had a better squad than citeh but more off the field problems than you could shake a stick at. we needed sorting out good and proper and we're on the way to that now, but you can still see the shades of the debacle the previous lot left us with, and can we expect anything else, after less than 6 months?

 

 

Alan Curbishley isn't the most inspiring of managers, but you can't argue with signing players like Solano and Bellamy. Shame we didn't still have both of those players here.

 

We would be a different team entirely.

 

 

 

he only bought solano because dyer got injured though. aye i'd have bellamy, but he's done exactly what we did, give champions league wages and transfer fees (or better) to uefa cup players. its also the same as what sunderland and fulham did in the transfer window. spend ludicrous sums on players who aren't worth half as much because they are desperate and can't attract better. one thing i will say is that none of that happened to us. man citeh did everything perfectly. didn't buy overpaid wasters but good players, quite unkown most of them.

 

Actually, I don't think West Ham have spent much "net" to be honest, maybe because they've done well with getting so many of our ex players on the cheap, apart from Dire

 

But any club that wants to join the top 4 clubs has to match them. There are no budget short cuts. We got close and got in there for a short while because we operated like them, and that is the ONLY reason why.

 

 

 

no they don't , don't get me wrong they'll have to give some players 80grand a week or more, there's no getting round that depressingly, but they'll not be giving the dyers and bellamy's of this world that much money. i can't see west ham getting anywhere, they'll do well to finish top half, but i can see citeh breaking the top 4 by 2009/2010 or 2010/2011 if they match the improvement they've made this season every season. i think west ham will still be mid table then. in 2010 citeh will be paying a few players top dollar, if they have ambition, but it will be players with the desired quality.  we can do that as well if we manage it right. i don't think we've done that badly in august. more will need to be spent next august that last august, but we've got some good names in defence now at least, and we can build on that.

 

There is no reason why Man City couldn't join those clubs and replace one of them, but they will have to keep spending well, with some big players, to do it. Nailed on mate. So could we, with the same formula. But it's the only way to do it.

 

 

[Baggio]

on your first point though, i am content with how much we've spent. west ham and citeh have both been throwing their money about. it will work for citeh, it wont for the hammers, but there are other ways to improve in this new world. we had a better squad than citeh but more off the field problems than you could shake a stick at. we needed sorting out good and proper and we're on the way to that now, but you can still see the shades of the debacle the previous lot left us with, and can we expect anything else, after less than 6 months?

 

 

Alan Curbishley isn't the most inspiring of managers, but you can't argue with signing players like Solano and Bellamy. Shame we didn't still have both of those players here.

 

We would be a different team entirely.

 

 

 

he only bought solano because dyer got injured though. aye i'd have bellamy, but he's done exactly what we did, give champions league wages and transfer fees (or better) to uefa cup players. its also the same as what sunderland and fulham did in the transfer window. spend ludicrous sums on players who aren't worth half as much because they are desperate and can't attract better. one thing i will say is that none of that happened to us. man citeh did everything perfectly. didn't buy overpaid wasters but good players, quite unkown most of them.

 

Actually, I don't think West Ham have spent much "net" to be honest, maybe because they've done well with getting so many of our ex players on the cheap, apart from Dire

 

But any club that wants to join the top 4 clubs has to match them. There are no budget short cuts. We got close and got in there for a short while because we operated like them, and that is the ONLY reason why.

 

 

 

So West Ham didn't spend much net either but managed to bring in players with pace, no doubt the players Curbishley wanted.

 

I think you've answered your own question there as to why we didn't bring players in with pace when you acknowledge Curbishley did with the same budget.

 

Anyway this thread is getting ruined so I won't be replying to you again.

 

Well, if you think Curbishley has better judgement than Allardyce, based on the fact that you are moaning on about Allardyce and his buys all the time, you should have touted Curbishley for our job instead of when you did Allardyce.

 

 

 

I've moaned about one of his buys in Smith who is shite and not worth what we paid, we need pace and creativity but I'm prepared to wait for it, Curbishley bought well but he also bought some poor players in Parker and Ljungberg, not everyone will agree with managers decisions.

 

I think if Allardyce does get time he will get it right, whether he can pick up enough points to keep him in a job beyond this season is another matter.

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then there is the mention of martins' goal being worth nothing at city and milner's goal not being worth 3 points at sunderland. sure, the defence wasn't at its best, but you can't seriously be suggesting that we can be relying on freak goals that weren't even intended, or as you yourself say "a goal out of nothing". that imo and probably for most newcastle fans is the main issue, the lack of fluent play, the inability to keep possession, pose a threat ourselves and create chances. not only would we be scoring more goals if these problems were solved, we'd also relieve pressure on our own defence and give the opposition something to think about so that they aren't comfortable and ready to attack at each and every opportunity. no defence in the country is able to defend non-stop for 89 out of 90 minutes. players aren't making mistakes because they are bad players or mistake prone, they're making mistakes because errors inevitably occur if you're defending to that extent, submitted to constant pressure and expected to reorganise to fight every new threat. expecting a side which isn't the best defensively to forget all about attacking and try to defend from kickoff in the hope that divine intervention will take care of our goalscoring is naive and unrealistic. in the city and sunderland match we had very, very little by way of the above qualities and had to rely on freak goals or moments of individual magic. milner's goal was the one of the very few attacking opportunities we had in the derby game, whereas sunderland had plenty, we only got a draw because of sheer luck and poor sunderland finishing. if a team is relying on those sorts of goals they're in big trouble regardless of the quality of their defence.

 

I know where you're coming from in terms of attack being the best form of defence (or at least, control of the football being the best form of defence). But i'm trying to think about Allardyce's perspective. From what I've heard from him, especially when you play away, is that he seems to be want or expect you to keep clean sheets consistently. And I don't really see how he has any right to expect anything of the sort, fluent, creative football or no, when he picks a different backline for every game. And thats where I think he's going wrong. He should have worked out his best team by the last game of pre-season. And I think he would have done if he knew more about what he was getting.

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then there is the mention of martins' goal being worth nothing at city and milner's goal not being worth 3 points at sunderland. sure, the defence wasn't at its best, but you can't seriously be suggesting that we can be relying on freak goals that weren't even intended, or as you yourself say "a goal out of nothing". that imo and probably for most newcastle fans is the main issue, the lack of fluent play, the inability to keep possession, pose a threat ourselves and create chances. not only would we be scoring more goals if these problems were solved, we'd also relieve pressure on our own defence and give the opposition something to think about so that they aren't comfortable and ready to attack at each and every opportunity. no defence in the country is able to defend non-stop for 89 out of 90 minutes. players aren't making mistakes because they are bad players or mistake prone, they're making mistakes because errors inevitably occur if you're defending to that extent, submitted to constant pressure and expected to reorganise to fight every new threat. expecting a side which isn't the best defensively to forget all about attacking and try to defend from kickoff in the hope that divine intervention will take care of our goalscoring is naive and unrealistic. in the city and sunderland match we had very, very little by way of the above qualities and had to rely on freak goals or moments of individual magic. milner's goal was the one of the very few attacking opportunities we had in the derby game, whereas sunderland had plenty, we only got a draw because of sheer luck and poor sunderland finishing. if a team is relying on those sorts of goals they're in big trouble regardless of the quality of their defence.

 

I know where you're coming from in terms of attack being the best form of defence (or at least, control of the football being the best form of defence). But i'm trying to think about Allardyce's perspective. From what I've heard from him, especially when you play away, is that he seems to be want or expect you to keep clean sheets consistently. And I don't really see how he has any right to expect anything of the sort, fluent, creative football or no, when he picks a different backline for every game. And thats where I think he's going wrong. He should have worked out his best team by the last game of pre-season. And I think he would have done if he knew more about what he was getting.

 

oh i agree, chopping and changing and playing people out of position doesn't help.  it also doesn't help when you go to sunderland, derby and reading and expect to defend all match, heaping pressure on our defence. going to the pride park isn't exactly like visiting old trafford.

[Parky]

on your first point though, i am content with how much we've spent. west ham and citeh have both been throwing their money about. it will work for citeh, it wont for the hammers, but there are other ways to improve in this new world. we had a better squad than citeh but more off the field problems than you could shake a stick at. we needed sorting out good and proper and we're on the way to that now, but you can still see the shades of the debacle the previous lot left us with, and can we expect anything else, after less than 6 months?

 

 

Alan Curbishley isn't the most inspiring of managers, but you can't argue with signing players like Solano and Bellamy. Shame we didn't still have both of those players here.

 

We would be a different team entirely.

 

 

 

he only bought solano because dyer got injured though. aye i'd have bellamy, but he's done exactly what we did, give champions league wages and transfer fees (or better) to uefa cup players. its also the same as what sunderland and fulham did in the transfer window. spend ludicrous sums on players who aren't worth half as much because they are desperate and can't attract better. one thing i will say is that none of that happened to us. man citeh did everything perfectly. didn't buy overpaid wasters but good players, quite unkown most of them.

 

Actually, I don't think West Ham have spent much "net" to be honest, maybe because they've done well with getting so many of our ex players on the cheap, apart from Dire

 

But any club that wants to join the top 4 clubs has to match them. There are no budget short cuts. We got close and got in there for a short while because we operated like them, and that is the ONLY reason why.

 

 

 

no they don't, don't get me wrong they'll have to give some players 80grand a week or more, there's no getting round that depressingly, but they'll not be giving the dyers and bellamy's of this world that much money. i can't see west ham getting anywhere, they'll do well to finish top half, but i can see citeh breaking the top 4 by 2009/2010 or 2010/2011 if they match the improvement they've made this season every season. i think west ham will still be mid table then. in 2010 citeh will be paying a few players top dollar, if they have ambition, but it will be players with the desired quality.  we can do that as well if we manage it right. i don't think we've done that badly in august. more will need to be spent next august that last august, but we've got some good names in defence now at least, and we can build on that.

 

I don't really think that a smart cookie like Sven is thinking in terms of 2010 (after the start they've had) he's thinking of attacking the top 4 in 2008. We will see who they buy in Jan. Our main drawback in the window was the focus we had to give to rebuild the defence and that was right...But I am now beginning to see the price for not being a bit more bold in the market regarding the midfield. YOu don't have to pay off so much debt if the club starts generating more money by being successful on the pitch.

[NE5]

on your first point though, i am content with how much we've spent. west ham and citeh have both been throwing their money about. it will work for citeh, it wont for the hammers, but there are other ways to improve in this new world. we had a better squad than citeh but more off the field problems than you could shake a stick at. we needed sorting out good and proper and we're on the way to that now, but you can still see the shades of the debacle the previous lot left us with, and can we expect anything else, after less than 6 months?

 

 

Alan Curbishley isn't the most inspiring of managers, but you can't argue with signing players like Solano and Bellamy. Shame we didn't still have both of those players here.

 

We would be a different team entirely.

 

 

 

he only bought solano because dyer got injured though. aye i'd have bellamy, but he's done exactly what we did, give champions league wages and transfer fees (or better) to uefa cup players. its also the same as what sunderland and fulham did in the transfer window. spend ludicrous sums on players who aren't worth half as much because they are desperate and can't attract better. one thing i will say is that none of that happened to us. man citeh did everything perfectly. didn't buy overpaid wasters but good players, quite unkown most of them.

 

Actually, I don't think West Ham have spent much "net" to be honest, maybe because they've done well with getting so many of our ex players on the cheap, apart from Dire

 

But any club that wants to join the top 4 clubs has to match them. There are no budget short cuts. We got close and got in there for a short while because we operated like them, and that is the ONLY reason why.

 

 

 

So West Ham didn't spend much net either but managed to bring in players with pace, no doubt the players Curbishley wanted.

 

I think you've answered your own question there as to why we didn't bring players in with pace when you acknowledge Curbishley did with the same budget.

 

Anyway this thread is getting ruined so I won't be replying to you again.

 

Well, if you think Curbishley has better judgement than Allardyce, based on the fact that you are moaning on about Allardyce and his buys all the time, you should have touted Curbishley for our job instead of when you did Allardyce.

 

 

 

I've moaned about one of his buys in Smith who is shite and not worth what we paid, we need pace and creativity but I'm prepared to wait for it, Curbishley bought well but he also bought some poor players in Parker and Ljungberg, not everyone will agree with managers decisions.

 

I think if Allardyce does get time he will get it right, whether he can pick up enough points to keep him in a job beyond this season is another matter.

 

you're harping on about re-building with bricks blah blah blah....well, players like Smith put character, guts and spirit into your dressing room and club. Players like the Dire that you adore are the real "cancers" that should have gone years ago. This little shitbag has been saying for years how he owes the club and the fans .... blah blah blah .... 2 good games then back to his disappering act ....... he has talent, but he has gave the club almost nothing in 8 years.

 

Smith will give the club a lot more in his own way than Dire. You like the pretty footballers. Bollocks. Good players perform. Lets put it this way. Alan Smith will give you certain things and a level of performance - in his best position - for say, 30 games a season. You improve that by replacing with someone who will give you a higher level for 30 games or more, not a little shite who plays for 2 games then disappears for the next 10.

 

This is Kids stuff. I don't know why I bother with you. Oh aye, its because I'm responding to your moaning, interesting that others have commented on it.

 

So, if you think Allardyce will succeed, and he's building the club with "bricks", stop moaning on about him and his signings all the time. And nobody is interested in the Spurs bollocks either, which ruins threads by the way, and quite often is off topic.

 

I tell you something, he won't succeed - and by succeed I mean get into the top 4, minimum - if he doesn't target and be allowed to sign these top "trophy" players that you think are so terrible to have at the club.  and THAT, dear boy, is as nailed on and guaranteed a statement as you will find. And in your usual sneaky style, can drag it up in future anytime you like.

 

 

 

 

[Baggio]

on your first point though, i am content with how much we've spent. west ham and citeh have both been throwing their money about. it will work for citeh, it wont for the hammers, but there are other ways to improve in this new world. we had a better squad than citeh but more off the field problems than you could shake a stick at. we needed sorting out good and proper and we're on the way to that now, but you can still see the shades of the debacle the previous lot left us with, and can we expect anything else, after less than 6 months?

 

 

Alan Curbishley isn't the most inspiring of managers, but you can't argue with signing players like Solano and Bellamy. Shame we didn't still have both of those players here.

 

We would be a different team entirely.

 

 

 

he only bought solano because dyer got injured though. aye i'd have bellamy, but he's done exactly what we did, give champions league wages and transfer fees (or better) to uefa cup players. its also the same as what sunderland and fulham did in the transfer window. spend ludicrous sums on players who aren't worth half as much because they are desperate and can't attract better. one thing i will say is that none of that happened to us. man citeh did everything perfectly. didn't buy overpaid wasters but good players, quite unkown most of them.

 

Actually, I don't think West Ham have spent much "net" to be honest, maybe because they've done well with getting so many of our ex players on the cheap, apart from Dire

 

But any club that wants to join the top 4 clubs has to match them. There are no budget short cuts. We got close and got in there for a short while because we operated like them, and that is the ONLY reason why.

 

 

 

So West Ham didn't spend much net either but managed to bring in players with pace, no doubt the players Curbishley wanted.

 

I think you've answered your own question there as to why we didn't bring players in with pace when you acknowledge Curbishley did with the same budget.

 

Anyway this thread is getting ruined so I won't be replying to you again.

 

Well, if you think Curbishley has better judgement than Allardyce, based on the fact that you are moaning on about Allardyce and his buys all the time, you should have touted Curbishley for our job instead of when you did Allardyce.

 

 

 

I've moaned about one of his buys in Smith who is shite and not worth what we paid, we need pace and creativity but I'm prepared to wait for it, Curbishley bought well but he also bought some poor players in Parker and Ljungberg, not everyone will agree with managers decisions.

 

I think if Allardyce does get time he will get it right, whether he can pick up enough points to keep him in a job beyond this season is another matter.

 

you're harping on about re-building with bricks blah blah blah....well, players like Smith put character, guts and spirit into your dressing room and club. Players like the Dire that you adore are the real "cancers" that should have gone years ago. This little shitbag has been saying for years how he owes the club and the fans .... blah blah blah .... 2 good games then back to his disappering act ....... he has talent, but he has gave the club almost nothing in 8 years.

 

Smith will give the club a lot more in his own way than Dire. You like the pretty footballers. Bollocks. Good players perform. Lets put it this way. Alan Smith will give you certain things and a level of performance - in his best position - for say, 30 games a season. You improve that by replacing with someone who will give you a higher level for 30 games or more, not a little shite who plays for 2 games then disappears for the next 10.

 

This is Kids stuff. I don't know why I bother with you. Oh aye, its because I'm responding to your moaning, interesting that others have commented on it.

 

So, if you think Allardyce will succeed, and he's building the club with "bricks", stop moaning on about him and his signings all the time. And nobody is interested in the Spurs bollocks either, which ruins threads by the way, and quite often is off topic.

 

I tell you something, he won't succeed - and by succeed I mean get into the top 4, minimum - if he doesn't target and be allowed to sign these top "trophy" players that you think are so terrible to have at the club.  and THAT, dear boy, is as nailed on and guaranteed a statement as you will find. And in your usual sneaky style, can drag it up in future anytime you like.

 

 

 

 

 

I know why you bother with me, it's because I told you to stick being a moderator on your shite forum up your arse.

 

Rejection is hard but it's a part of life, you need to forget me and move on with your life, it's for the best.