Guest Phil K Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 In a word - YES. The most underperforming certainly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 Smith - a striker who hasn't scored in 2yrs playing in midfield Emre - hasnt delivered in his time here, doubt many teams above us would want him Milner - 100% effort, final ball lacking. Still one of our best N'Zogbia - Best midfielder we have, plays in defence Butt - inconsistent Geremi - its showing that he's rarely played in last 2 seasons Barton - Done absolutely nothing & overhyped to begin with Duff - was finished 3 seasons back I wouldn't be disapointed if any of those left, apart from Zoggy and Milner (as a back up RW) *tinhat on* Smith- Hardworking, experianced, versitile and highley rated by ALOT of managers. Emre- Gifted player constantly played in wrong positions. Milner- As you say gives 100% and has one of the best cross conversion records in the prem. N'Zogbia- Class, played in defence. Butt- Highley experianced and disciplined. Massive pedigree, was one of our best players last year. Geremi- Rarely loses the ball, wins tackles, gets quite a few assists and is a leader. Barton- I rate him very highly, give him time and he will prove me correct (hopefully). Duff- Quality player, fitness has let him down. My point is that positive and negative slants can be put on anything in football. It all depends what type of person you are. For me with the quality we have we should be looking for top 8, if we dont make it, it won't be down to talent. I appreciate your sentiments. But our midfield is the weakest in the top teams. Lennon Routledge Malbranque Taarabt Zokora Jenas Huddlestone Tainio Boateng Ghaly As far as im concerned there is very little difference between ours and spurs, apart from depth. Yet they were touted for 4th, how does that work? Even if you believe Spurs midfield to better than ours which you are entitled to, there isn't a huge gulf. Yet the expectations were so different. I believe there to be barely anything between ours and the other teams that have been mentioned. The differences as i've mentioned is down to consitancy, teamwork and motivation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 Spurs have got one vital ingredient though. Pace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 Smith - a striker who hasn't scored in 2yrs playing in midfield Emre - hasnt delivered in his time here, doubt many teams above us would want him Milner - 100% effort, final ball lacking. Still one of our best N'Zogbia - Best midfielder we have, plays in defence Butt - inconsistent Geremi - its showing that he's rarely played in last 2 seasons Barton - Done absolutely nothing & overhyped to begin with Duff - was finished 3 seasons back I wouldn't be disapointed if any of those left, apart from Zoggy and Milner (as a back up RW) *tinhat on* Smith- Hardworking, experianced, versitile and highley rated by ALOT of managers. Emre- Gifted player constantly played in wrong positions. Milner- As you say gives 100% and has one of the best cross conversion records in the prem. N'Zogbia- Class, played in defence. Butt- Highley experianced and disciplined. Massive pedigree, was one of our best players last year. Geremi- Rarely loses the ball, wins tackles, gets quite a few assists and is a leader. Barton- I rate him very highly, give him time and he will prove me correct (hopefully). Duff- Quality player, fitness has let him down. My point is that positive and negative slants can be put on anything in football. It all depends what type of person you are. For me with the quality we have we should be looking for top 8, if we dont make it, it won't be down to talent. I appreciate your sentiments. But our midfield is the weakest in the top teams. Lennon Routledge Malbranque Taarabt Zokora Jenas Huddlestone Tainio Boateng Ghaly As far as im concerned there is very little difference between ours and spurs, apart from depth. Yet they were touted for 4th, how does that work? Even if you believe Spurs midfield to better than ours which you are entitled to, there isn't a huge gulf. Yet the expectations were so different. I believe there to be barely anything between ours and the other teams that have been mentioned. The differences as i've mentioned is down to consitancy, teamwork and motivation. Spurs weren't in my calculations when I started the thread hence the title dear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 Smith - a striker who hasn't scored in 2yrs playing in midfield Emre - hasnt delivered in his time here, doubt many teams above us would want him Milner - 100% effort, final ball lacking. Still one of our best N'Zogbia - Best midfielder we have, plays in defence Butt - inconsistent Geremi - its showing that he's rarely played in last 2 seasons Barton - Done absolutely nothing & overhyped to begin with Duff - was finished 3 seasons back I wouldn't be disapointed if any of those left, apart from Zoggy and Milner (as a back up RW) *tinhat on* Smith- Hardworking, experianced, versitile and highley rated by ALOT of managers. Emre- Gifted player constantly played in wrong positions. Milner- As you say gives 100% and has one of the best cross conversion records in the prem. N'Zogbia- Class, played in defence. Butt- Highley experianced and disciplined. Massive pedigree, was one of our best players last year. Geremi- Rarely loses the ball, wins tackles, gets quite a few assists and is a leader. Barton- I rate him very highly, give him time and he will prove me correct (hopefully). Duff- Quality player, fitness has let him down. My point is that positive and negative slants can be put on anything in football. It all depends what type of person you are. For me with the quality we have we should be looking for top 8, if we dont make it, it won't be down to talent. I appreciate your sentiments. But our midfield is the weakest in the top teams. Lennon Routledge Malbranque Taarabt Zokora Jenas Huddlestone Tainio Boateng Ghaly As far as im concerned there is very little difference between ours and spurs, apart from depth. Yet they were touted for 4th, how does that work? Even if you believe Spurs midfield to better than ours which you are entitled to, there isn't a huge gulf. Yet the expectations were so different. I believe there to be barely anything between ours and the other teams that have been mentioned. The differences as i've mentioned is down to consitancy, teamwork and motivation. Spurs weren't in my calculations when I started the thread hence the title dear. Pardon me. I thought it ment into assumption of who we'd expect in the top 10. It works even better for my arguement though because spurs have a better midfield than half of the teams in the top 10 anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 Smith - a striker who hasn't scored in 2yrs playing in midfield Emre - hasnt delivered in his time here, doubt many teams above us would want him Milner - 100% effort, final ball lacking. Still one of our best N'Zogbia - Best midfielder we have, plays in defence Butt - inconsistent Geremi - its showing that he's rarely played in last 2 seasons Barton - Done absolutely nothing & overhyped to begin with Duff - was finished 3 seasons back I wouldn't be disapointed if any of those left, apart from Zoggy and Milner (as a back up RW) *tinhat on* Smith- Hardworking, experianced, versitile and highley rated by ALOT of managers. Emre- Gifted player constantly played in wrong positions. Milner- As you say gives 100% and has one of the best cross conversion records in the prem. N'Zogbia- Class, played in defence. Butt- Highley experianced and disciplined. Massive pedigree, was one of our best players last year. Geremi- Rarely loses the ball, wins tackles, gets quite a few assists and is a leader. Barton- I rate him very highly, give him time and he will prove me correct (hopefully). Duff- Quality player, fitness has let him down. My point is that positive and negative slants can be put on anything in football. It all depends what type of person you are. For me with the quality we have we should be looking for top 8, if we dont make it, it won't be down to talent. I appreciate your sentiments. But our midfield is the weakest in the top teams. Lennon Routledge Malbranque Taarabt Zokora Jenas Huddlestone Tainio Boateng Ghaly As far as im concerned there is very little difference between ours and spurs, apart from depth. Yet they were touted for 4th, how does that work? Even if you believe Spurs midfield to better than ours which you are entitled to, there isn't a huge gulf. Yet the expectations were so different. I believe there to be barely anything between ours and the other teams that have been mentioned. The differences as i've mentioned is down to consitancy, teamwork and motivation. Spurs weren't in my calculations when I started the thread hence the title dear. Pardon me. I thought it ment into assumption of who we'd expect in the top 10. It works even better for my arguement though because spurs have a better midfield than half of the teams in the top 10 anyway. Results say otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karjala Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 Smith - a striker who hasn't scored in 2yrs playing in midfield Emre - hasnt delivered in his time here, doubt many teams above us would want him Milner - 100% effort, final ball lacking. Still one of our best N'Zogbia - Best midfielder we have, plays in defence Butt - inconsistent Geremi - its showing that he's rarely played in last 2 seasons Barton - Done absolutely nothing & overhyped to begin with Duff - was finished 3 seasons back I wouldn't be disapointed if any of those left, apart from Zoggy and Milner (as a back up RW) *tinhat on* Smith- Hardworking, experianced, versitile and highley rated by ALOT of managers. Emre- Gifted player constantly played in wrong positions. Milner- As you say gives 100% and has one of the best cross conversion records in the prem. N'Zogbia- Class, played in defence. Butt- Highley experianced and disciplined. Massive pedigree, was one of our best players last year. Geremi- Rarely loses the ball, wins tackles, gets quite a few assists and is a leader. Barton- I rate him very highly, give him time and he will prove me correct (hopefully). Duff- Quality player, fitness has let him down. My point is that positive and negative slants can be put on anything in football. It all depends what type of person you are. For me with the quality we have we should be looking for top 8, if we dont make it, it won't be down to talent. I would say mine a pretty realistic, yours are extremely optimistic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 Smith - a striker who hasn't scored in 2yrs playing in midfield Emre - hasnt delivered in his time here, doubt many teams above us would want him Milner - 100% effort, final ball lacking. Still one of our best N'Zogbia - Best midfielder we have, plays in defence Butt - inconsistent Geremi - its showing that he's rarely played in last 2 seasons Barton - Done absolutely nothing & overhyped to begin with Duff - was finished 3 seasons back I wouldn't be disapointed if any of those left, apart from Zoggy and Milner (as a back up RW) *tinhat on* Smith- Hardworking, experianced, versitile and highley rated by ALOT of managers. Emre- Gifted player constantly played in wrong positions. Milner- As you say gives 100% and has one of the best cross conversion records in the prem. N'Zogbia- Class, played in defence. Butt- Highley experianced and disciplined. Massive pedigree, was one of our best players last year. Geremi- Rarely loses the ball, wins tackles, gets quite a few assists and is a leader. Barton- I rate him very highly, give him time and he will prove me correct (hopefully). Duff- Quality player, fitness has let him down. My point is that positive and negative slants can be put on anything in football. It all depends what type of person you are. For me with the quality we have we should be looking for top 8, if we dont make it, it won't be down to talent. I would say mine a pretty realistic, yours are extremely optimistic. Of course you would say your opinons are realistic. Thats why they are opinions because we believe them to be true/real. I deliberatley made mine sound optimistic just to prove what a can be done with positive comments. Personally, i believe we have as good a players as most of the top ten. If i wanted to i could go through the top 10 clubs and pull out negative points of most players. One thing is for sure though, our midfield is not as good as the top four. As for the rest i don't see a massive difference anywhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest teepee Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 i reckon that we have a lot of decent midfielders, but not one great. zoggy has the potential to become that, and he is the only player i wouldn't want to see replaced. my wish list: attacking midfielder right winger defensive midfielder in that order, if we can just get the first one i think we'll be on our way Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wacko Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 Spurs have got 4 quality strikers, 1 quality midfields + 1 decent one in reserve, and a dozen or so defenders, though I've never heard of half of them. Having said that, if Robinson is no. 1 keeper, it's probably fair to assume their backups are really crap. who's our quality midfielder then? I said midfield, not midfielder EDIT: Actually, I said midfields, but I meant midfield, not midfielder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 It's not so much the players themselves, it's how they fit into a unit. Ours just don't. Same throughout our side really, especially up front. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 As far as im concerned there is very little difference between ours and spurs, apart from depth. Yet they were touted for 4th, how does that work? Might be something to do with their finishing positions over the last couple of years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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