NUFC06 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 I think now its obvious that Allardyce is not the man that will take us to the level that we were under SBR. We still play crap football and the team is a mess. There isnt any slight signs of improvement or development I was against the appointment of Allardyce at the begining and i wanted SGE all the way. Of course i hoped i was wrong like alot of people here i presume but at the end of the day Allardyce is huge dissapointment so far and its a fact. So looking at Man City this season i think we need to find someone who has good CV behind him and has won something in his managerial career=SGE So i'll put the names of some managers who is worth looking now or in the summer: 1.Marcelo Lippi- Titles With Juventus F.C.: 5 Italian League Championships 1994/95, 1996/97, 1997/98, 2001/02, 2002/03 1 Coppa Italia 1994/95 Runners up: 2001/02, 2003/04 4 Italian Supercups 1995/96, 1997/98, 2002/03, 2003/04 Runners up: 1998/99 1 European Cup 1995/96 Runners up: 1996/97, 1997/98, 2002/03 UEFA Cup Runners up: 1994/95 1 European Supercup 1995/1996 1 Intercontinental Cup 1996 With Internazionale F.C.: Coppa Italia Runners up: 1999/00 With the Italian national team: 1 FIFA World Cup 2006 2.Héctor Cúper 1997-1999 RCD Mallorca final of the Copa del Rey final of the UEFA Cup Winners' Cup winning the Supercopa de España 3rd place 1998/99 season 1999-2001 Valencia final of the Champions League 2000 final of the Champions League 2001 2001-2003 Inter third and second place of the championship semifinals of UEFA Champions League 2002-03 3.Ottmar Hitzfeld 1984-88 FC Aarau 1985 - Swiss Cup 1988-91 Grasshopper Club Zürich 1989 - Swiss Cup 1990 - Swiss Cup 1990 - Championship 1991 - Championship 1991-97 Borussia Dortmund 1995 - Championship 1996 - Championship 1997 - UEFA Champions League 1998-04 FC Bayern Munich 1999 - Championship 2000 - German Cup 2000 - Championship 2001 - Championship 2001 - UEFA Champions League 2001 - Intercontinental Cup 2003 - German Cup 2003 - Championship 1997 - "World Coach of the Year" 2001 - "World Coach of the Year" 4.Vicente del Bosque Titles UEFA Champions League 2000 and 2002 La Liga in 2001 and 2003 Spanish Supercup in 2001 European Supercup in 2002 Intercontinental Cup in 2002 5.José Mourinho With F.C. Porto: Portuguese Championships (2): 2002/03; 2003/04 SuperCup Cândido de Oliveira: 2003 Cup of Portugal: 2002/03 UEFA Cup: 2002/03 UEFA Champions League: 2003/04 With Chelsea FC: FA Premier League (2): 2004/05; 2005/06 Football League Cup (2): 2004/05, 2006/07 FA Cup: 2007 FA Community Shield: 2005 6.Luiz Felipe Scolari Criciúma-Brazilian Cup Grêmio- 1993-1996 Brazilian Cup Libertadores Cup Recopa Sudamericana Brazilian Championship Palmeiras-1997-2000 Brazilian Cup Mercosur Cup Copa Lbertadores Brazil 2001-2002 2002 FIFA World Cup Portugal-2003-Present Euro 2004-final ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sven-Göran Eriksson Titles IFK Göteborg Svenska Cupen Winners 1979, 1982 Allsvenskan Champions 1981, 1982 UEFA Cup Winners 1982 S.L. Benfica Portuguese Liga Champions 1983, 1984, 1991 Cup of Portugal Winners 1983 SuperCup Cândido de Oliveira Champions 1989 European Cup Runners Up 1990 UEFA Cup Runners Up 1983 A.S. Roma Coppa Italia Winners 1986 U.C. Sampdoria Coppa Italia Winners 1994 S.S. Lazio Coppa Italia Winners 1998, 2000 Italian Super Cup Winners 1998 UEFA Cup Winners' Cup Winners 1999 UEFA Super Cup Winners 1999 Serie A Champions 2000 Sam Allardyce Bolton 1999–2000 Division One playoffs FA Cup semi-final 2000–01 playoff final 2003–04-eighth place Carling Cup final 2004–05-sixth 2005–06-eight ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I think that the difference between our manager and this 7 guys before him is from earth to the moon. Allardyce is not in their league and the proof is SGE performance with Man City this season. SGE is top manager and he is proving this with City. So the bottom line is that we need top manager who has won titles and silverware before in his career. Allardyce is not that kind of manager I know that its going to be almost impossible to attract the likes of Mourihno and Lippi here but now we have a billionare owner so at least its worth the shot... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest michaelfoster Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 1.Marcelo Lippi- 2.Héctor Cúper 3.Ottmar Hitzfeld 4.Vicente del Bosque 5.José Mourinho 6.Luiz Felipe Scolari Sven-Göran Eriksson Keep dreaming Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFC06 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 1.Marcelo Lippi- 2.Héctor Cúper 3.Ottmar Hitzfeld 4.Vicente del Bosque 5.José Mourinho 6.Luiz Felipe Scolari Sven-Göran Eriksson Keep dreaming Tell that to the City fans genius because they got their man and we are stuck with this big head and we are suffering defeats from the liks of Derby Wigan and Reading when City are aiming for the top 4... Stupid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 In your defence NUFC06 it is always worth going for the best manager we can get, but just not likely with the names on that list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFC06 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 In your defence NUFC06 it is always worth going for the best manager we can get, but just not likely with the names on that list. Like i said before SGE was a manager from that list and he was realistic target and we missed him. So why not try in the summer for someone from that list again. I didnt say we will succeed but its worth giving 100% to bring someone from that list as a NUFC manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Underpants Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 I was for the appointment of Big Sam for all the obvious reasons stated before. Bolton, small club, tight budget but still managed to bring them up to the top half. But as someone said in another thread, he is one defeat (Stoke) away from being sacked. I want a manager with ideas rather than a manager with a tactic already in use. So to speak. Klinsmann. Laudrup. Or what about Fransisco Flores from Espanyol? He have them in third place of the Primera Division atm. Ahead of teams like, Sevilla, Atletico Madrid and Valencia. Someone who is not afraid of attacking style football and not just satisfied with containing the opposition. (Sorry if my english isnt up to standard. Its been a while since school here in sweden) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 I was for the appointment of Big Sam for all the obvious reasons stated before. Bolton, small club, tight budget but still managed to bring them up to the top half. But as someone said in another thread, he is one defeat (Stoke) away from being sacked. I want a manager with ideas rather than a manager with a tactic already in use. So to speak. Klinsmann. Laudrup. Or what about Fransisco Flores from Espanyol? He have them in third place of the Primera Division atm. Ahead of teams like, Sevilla, Atletico Madrid and Valencia. Someone who is not afraid of attacking style football and not just satisfied with containing the opposition. (Sorry if my english isnt up to standard. Its been a while since school here in sweden) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Get Laudrup back playing man, he'd still be better than our midfield now. The man was a true genius. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFC06 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Klinsmann. Laudrup and Fransisco Flores are good managers but they are similar with Allardyce. They havent won something big and they are in the managerial business not that long. We need someone with 10-15 years of experience and with proven CV. With the likes of this 3 guys we are risking to do the same mistake as we make with Allardyce Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Underpants Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Klinsmann. Laudrup and Fransisco Flores are good managers but they are similar with Allardyce. They havent won something big and they are in the managerial business not that long. We need someone with 10-15 years of experience and with proven CV. With the likes of this 3 guys we are risking to do the same mistake as we make with Allardyce I disagree with you. Both Klinsmann and Laudrup has tons of experience, playing top football not too long ago. Laudup did wonders in his own country (Bröndby, Denmark). Klinsmann, well, Germany went pretty long in the last World Cup, didnt they? I cant say i know all that about them, but what i do know is that they are both relatively young, they are still learning but most importantly, they know how to play good football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Klinsmann. Laudrup and Fransisco Flores are good managers but they are similar with Allardyce. They havent won something big and they are in the managerial business not that long. We need someone with 10-15 years of experience and with proven CV. With the likes of this 3 guys we are risking to do the same mistake as we make with Allardyce I disagree with you. Both Klinsmann and Laudrup has tons of experience, playing top football not too long ago. Laudup did wonders in his own country (Bröndby, Denmark). Klinsmann, well, Germany went pretty long in the last World Cup, didnt they? I cant say i know all that about them, but what i do know is that they are both relatively young, they are still learning but most importantly, they know how to play good football. Klinsmann has the right persona for us as well. Supremely confident and tactically smarter than a sewer rat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Didn't Joachim Löw play a massive part in helping Jurgen though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Didn't Joachim Löw play a massive part in helping Jurgen though? Read something recently about how Low did all the work and Klinsmann just put the media friendly face on it all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Didn't Joachim Löw play a massive part in helping Jurgen though? Wouldn't say massive, but yes he had a strong role, more on the training pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Underpants Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Didn't Joachim Löw play a massive part in helping Jurgen though? Wouldn't say massive, but yes he had a strong role, more on the training pitch. Klinsmann would probably want to bring him with him then, wouldnt he? Or am i mistaken if i say that löw is now managing germany? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Didn't Joachim Löw play a massive part in helping Jurgen though? Read something recently about how Low did all the work and Klinsmann just put the media friendly face on it all. Think that's an exagerration. Klinsi is credited and deservedly so for turning the German side into a watchable and attacking unit again. Low is a good coach mind....IMO Klinis will end up at a top club sooner or later. Massive appetite for the game now he's had a little break. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Didn't Joachim Löw play a massive part in helping Jurgen though? Wouldn't say massive, but yes he had a strong role, more on the training pitch. Klinsmann would probably want to bring him with him then, wouldnt he? Or am i mistaken if i say that löw is now managing germany? Klinsi has a myriad of contacts in the game if he wanted a No.2 it wouldn't have to be Low by any means. Van Basten is coming along nicely as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Underpants Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Didn't Joachim Löw play a massive part in helping Jurgen though? Wouldn't say massive, but yes he had a strong role, more on the training pitch. Klinsmann would probably want to bring him with him then, wouldnt he? Or am i mistaken if i say that löw is now managing germany? Klinsi has a myriad of contacts in the game if he wanted a No.2 it wouldn't have to be Low by any means. Van Basten is coming along nicely as well. He probably has. But i'd imagine he would want someone he has worked with in the past, and actually had success with. For some reason i dont like van Basten. Dont think he would be successful here anyway. Louis van Gaal? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Didn't Joachim Löw play a massive part in helping Jurgen though? Wouldn't say massive, but yes he had a strong role, more on the training pitch. Klinsmann would probably want to bring him with him then, wouldnt he? Or am i mistaken if i say that löw is now managing germany? Klinsi has a myriad of contacts in the game if he wanted a No.2 it wouldn't have to be Low by any means. Van Basten is coming along nicely as well. He probably has. But i'd imagine he would want someone he has worked with in the past, and actually had success with. For some reason i dont like van Basten. Dont think he would be successful here anyway. Louis van Gaal? Had tricky periods. Not getting any younger. Clearly better than SA mind. :-[ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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