Ashley has failed Newcastle United.

[Guest alex]

The point still stands.

 

The point he had 9 days?

Fuck me.

 

He had half the window.

 

If he didn't know what he was doing he should never have been made manager of a club who desperately needed to sign players.

 

 

It wasn't very long though. Blame the people who appointed him re: the timing. I think it would have been hard / virtually impossible for any manager to get players in under the circumstances.

[TRon]

The point still stands.

 

The point he had 9 days?

Fuck me.

 

He had half the window.

 

If he didn't know what he was doing he should never have been made manager of a club who desperately needed to sign players.

 

 

 

This is what I mean when I talk about people armed with shitloads of hindsight.

[Parky]

The point still stands.

 

The point he had 9 days?

Fuck me.

 

He had half the window.

 

If he didn't know what he was doing he should never have been made manager of a club who desperately needed to sign players.

 

 

 

This is what I mean when I talk about people armed with shitloads of hindsight.

 

OP date 11th of Jan. That's some hindsight.  mackems.gif

[Guest alex]

Who's on about the OP like?

[Parky]

Who's on about the OP like?

 

JumboTron keeps going on about hindsight.

 

 

[Guest alex]

Who's on about the OP like?

 

JumboTron keeps going on about hindsight.

 

 

I got that bit thanks.

[Dokko]

The point still stands.

 

The point he had 9 days?

Fuck me.

 

He had half the window.

 

If he didn't know what he was doing he should never have been made manager of a club who desperately needed to sign players.

 

 

 

This is what I mean when I talk about people armed with shitloads of hindsight.

 

Its nothing to do with hindsight, i was happy to have KK back as i thought we'd get a good chunk of players in to the club, not just in the summer but in the window. We want 3 players is what we were told all window, i was led to believe we'd get them.

 

Nowt to do with hindsight, everything to do with being let down.

[Mick]

Its nothing to do with hindsight, i was happy to have KK back as i thought we'd get a good chunk of players in to the club, not just in the summer but in the window. We want 3 players is what we were told all window, i was led to believe we'd get them.

 

Nowt to do with hindsight, everything to do with being let down.

 

So you thought a manager who had been out of the game for 3 years would have identified transfers before coming here?  That's what you are virtually saying because managers identify targets before the window, not during and Keegan in all fairness probably wasn't doing that as he wasn't in management.

[Parky]

Its nothing to do with hindsight, i was happy to have KK back as i thought we'd get a good chunk of players in to the club, not just in the summer but in the window. We want 3 players is what we were told all window, i was led to believe we'd get them.

 

Nowt to do with hindsight, everything to do with being let down.

 

So you thought a manager who had been out of the game for 3 years would have identified transfers before coming here?  That's what you are virtually saying because managers identify targets before the window, not during and Keegan in all fairness probably wasn't doing that as he wasn't in management.

 

Are you really saying a club our size had no idea or shortlist or targets or dossiers on anybody when KK arrived?? I don't believe it.

 

 

And if that was the case hiring a manager like KK at that time can be seen as nothing other than a gamble whatever the underpinning sentiments.

[Mick]

 

 

Ashley and Mort would have to take some responsibility if we go down. Ashley bought the club in the summer and it was his decision to keep Allardyce on and then not give him much financial backing. This was despite the fact that many clubs around us were investing more heavily. It was also Ashley/Mort's decision to adopt a cautious approach in the transfer market so that players were sold before players came in resulting in transfer targets being missed. It was Ashley/Mort's decision to sack the manager despite not having a replacement lined up. And when their first choice turned them down it was their decision to take the risk of appointing a manager who hadn't managed a club for 3 years. And it was their decision to do this in a transfer window at a time when the club was not mathematically safe from relegation.

 

Whatever anyone may think of those decisions Ashley and Mort have to held responsible for the consequences of making them. 

 

Crazy, Ashley and Mort would have been slaughtered if they had sacked Allardyce before a ball was kicked. If they had of sacked him in the summer I personally would have slaughtered them.  I'm sticking up for them now, because like Shepherd when he appointed Allerdyce, they couldn't have known how badly he would do. 

[Dokko]

Its nothing to do with hindsight, i was happy to have KK back as i thought we'd get a good chunk of players in to the club, not just in the summer but in the window. We want 3 players is what we were told all window, i was led to believe we'd get them.

 

Nowt to do with hindsight, everything to do with being let down.

 

So you thought a manager who had been out of the game for 3 years would have identified transfers before coming here?  That's what you are virtually saying because managers identify targets before the window, not during and Keegan in all fairness probably wasn't doing that as he wasn't in management.

 

Are you really saying a club our size had no idea or shortlist or targets or dossiers on anybody when KK arrived?? I don't believe it.

 

 

And if that was the case hiring a manager like KK at that time can be seen as nothing other than a gamble whatever the underpinning sentiments.

 

KK even said he's got Sam's old list and a list from the board. Some comment about 'it's always nice to backup what you are thinking'

 

 

A gamble which could cost us our premiership status.

[Guest alex]

Someone bump Parky's Arsenal thread man.

[Mick]

 

Are you really saying a club our size had no idea or shortlist or targets or dossiers on anybody when KK arrived?? I don't believe it.

 

 

And if that was the case hiring a manager like KK at that time can be seen as nothing other than a gamble whatever the underpinning sentiments.

 

No, I'm saying Keegan, the manager, wouldn't have had a dossier on targets, why would he want to use something which was put together by a manager who was sacked partly because his signings hadn't worked?

[Parky]

Someone bump Parky's Arsenal thread man.

 

I had high hopes so fucking what? 

 

 

[Mick]

Keegan will have to take some of the blame as it was his decision not to bring in any new players even though money was available, Mort will take some of the blame for appointing the wrong man if Keegan can't keep us up, Allardyce will have to take a large portion of the blame for being the worst manager we've had since we've been in the Prem then others such as Roeder, Souness, Shepherd and the Halls who have all played a part in the clubs downward spiral over the past few years.

 

Agreed.

[Mick]

 

Whether we go down or not from this point on will have very little to do with what Ashley & Mort do now. That is in the hands of the manager, the players, and the other teams in the scrap. It is the decisions they have already made which have put us in the position where relegation is a distinct possibility. It's like saying it's okay to drink drive if you don't kill anyone.

 

The decisions at the start of the season were cautious, which was understandable if frustrating for us as supporters.

The decisions in January were high risk, showed a lack of understanding of the seriousness of the situation, and are deserving of criticism whatever the outcome.

 

And, agreed.

[Dokko]

Someone bump Parky's Arsenal thread man.

 

I had high hopes so fucking what? 

 

 

 

Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing? 

[Parky]

Someone bump Parky's Arsenal thread man.

 

I had high hopes so fucking what? 

 

 

 

Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing? 

 

 

[Parky]

All the standing with the away fans in his Toon shirt stuff was good to see - I mean that, an owner with no airs and graces, excellent - but is it really possible to maintain the required level of emotional detachment to make big, big football decisions like this and to get them right, when you're surrounding yourself with the fans on match day?

 

I don't expect many of you will agree with me on that, but I can see how even the best businessmen can make bad decisions in football (god knows, enough of them have) when they let their emotional involvement take over.

[TRon]

All the standing with the away fans in his Toon shirt stuff was good to see - I mean that, an owner with no airs and graces, excellent - but is it really possible to maintain the required level of emotional detachment to make big, big football decisions like this and to get them right, when you're surrounding yourself with the fans on match day?

 

I don't expect many of you will agree with me on that, but I can see how even the best businessmen can make bad decisions in football (god knows, enough of them have) when they let their emotional involvement take over.

 

There's no mention of relegation in there I see.

[TRon]

Allardyce couldn't beat top-table sides, he couldn't beat mid-table fodder, he lost to relegation candidates, and failed to beat Premiership promotion candidates. We sit 11th in the table, with trips to pretty much all the big four and a tougher line up than most... How close would Allardyce have to take us to the relegation battle before his sacking was necessary would you say Parky?

 

We wouldn't have been relegated or been close to it this season. There are too many hopeless sides below us. We're 11th ffs!!

People don't need the to create a spectre of relegation to justify this and if they do then it shows we are collectively grasping at straws to make ourselves feel better at what we clearly see as fundamental failure of judgement.

 

Part of the longer term problem now will be is that it is clear that that the role of the owner is too blurred with the safety net of an independant thinking chairman.

 

Regardless of how Redknapp performs I see no due dilligence in this.

 

Shame you didn't post one of your own quotes from the first page Parky 

[ChezGiven]

Isnt he saying that we would not have been relegated if we had stuck with Allardyce.

 

I know that it uses complicated conditional verb clauses but i think thats what it means.

[NE5]

If we go down it is Mort and Ashley's fault no one else's. Discuss.

 

Rubbish.

 

The fault is the man who employed Souness followed by Roeder followed by Allardyce.  If Shepherd had employed a top European manager after Robson, to take over an excellent group of players, we would have moved forward and upwards. Instead, Souness was given the job.

 

the difference between a top european manager and a top British one ie Dalglish [at the time], is what exactly ?

 

 

[NE5]

If we go down it is Mort and Ashley's fault no one else's. Discuss.

 

Rubbish.

 

The fault is the man who employed Souness followed by Roeder followed by Allardyce.  If Shepherd had employed a top European manager after Robson, to take over an excellent group of players, we would have moved forward and upwards. Instead, Souness was given the job.

 

 

Ashley and Mort would have to take some responsibility if we go down. Ashley bought the club in the summer and it was his decision to keep Allardyce on and then not give him much financial backing. This was despite the fact that many clubs around us were investing more heavily. It was also Ashley/Mort's decision to adopt a cautious approach in the transfer market so that players were sold before players came in resulting in transfer targets being missed. It was Ashley/Mort's decision to sack the manager despite not having a replacement lined up. And when their first choice turned them down it was their decision to take the risk of appointing a manager who hadn't managed a club for 3 years. And it was their decision to do this in a transfer window at a time when the club was not mathematically safe from relegation.

 

Whatever anyone may think of those decisions Ashley and Mort have to held responsible for the consequences of making them. 

 

and there you have it.

 

Although some people would watch us sliding down to the 3rd division and just as long as he doesn't call our women dogs or say we are idiots for buying 40 quid shirts [i mean who is daft enough to pay 40 quid for a football shirt] then he'll be better chairman and owner  than the fat bastard and the Halls.

 

 

[NE5]

If we go down it is Mort and Ashley's fault no one else's. Discuss.

 

I'll discuss it if we go down. Until then it's a moot point.

 

Whether we go down or not from this point on will have very little to do with what Ashley & Mort do now. That is in the hands of the manager, the players, and the other teams in the scrap. It is the decisions they have already made which have put us in the position where relegation is a distinct possibility. It's like saying it's okay to drink drive if you don't kill anyone.

 

The decisions at the start of the season were cautious, which was understandable if frustrating for us as supporters.

The decisions in January were high risk, showed a lack of understanding of the seriousness of the situation, and are deserving of criticism whatever the outcome.

 

Nicely summed up again. Maybe some of the ostriches will get the idea.