The all new official Albert Luque megathread

[alpal78]

Gee it's amazing how many people on here think they know whats going on at the club and it's amazing how they think they know what Roeder is thinking or seeing with Luque let's just wait and see if by the January we see nothing from him then by all means off load him.

 

Why? It doesn't matter that he did **** all last season, why should it matter if he does **** all between now and January?

 

He should be binned asap.

 

well considering he had an injury like he did I don't think there are many players playing today who would recover and do a lot more, so I don't see your point!

He'd recovered by Xmas from that first injury, fancy expecting him to do something in those last 5 months of the season eh?

 

In the few games or so he got?

 

Lets not forget either that all but Shay and Parker were playing absolute shite until Souness left, only then did others pick up their game. Under Roeder however Luque never got a chance, when he has, he's scored twice in what amounts to 4 starts or something.

 

Footballers have to do something during the week between games. Despite everyone else picking up following the departure of souness, Luque didn't pick up and probably wasn't doing whatever Roeder was expecting from him day to day, otherwise he would have featured more than he did. If you don't agree please have a guess why you think Luque wasn't an automatic choice, given that he is WORLD CLASS.

 

Why did Roeder praise him for his training, then? I just think Roeder doesn't fancy him that much in any position, managers do that rightly or wrongly. I think you are reading too much into his non-selection under Roeder likewise those that claim Roeder has a personal problem with him. I don't think he does, I just think he doesn't like what he sees or sees a place for him in the team. SBR didn't really fancy Bowyer in the middle for some reason, Souness didn't fancy Milner for some reason. It happens.

 

You expect him to come out in public and say he's shit in training? Or just shit anyway? Do you always hang off what these people say as though every word that comes out of their mouth is the truth? Bloody hell!

 

:roll:

 

 

or are you dumb enough that you cant imagine the 3rd option of Roeder not saying anything about it. He does not need to say Luque is shit, but equally he does not need to praise him if he is shit.

[Howaythelads]

Gee it's amazing how many people on here think they know whats going on at the club and it's amazing how they think they know what Roeder is thinking or seeing with Luque let's just wait and see if by the January we see nothing from him then by all means off load him.

 

Why? It doesn't matter that he did **** all last season, why should it matter if he does **** all between now and January?

 

He should be binned asap.

 

well considering he had an injury like he did I don't think there are many players playing today who would recover and do a lot more, so I don't see your point!

He'd recovered by Xmas from that first injury, fancy expecting him to do something in those last 5 months of the season eh?

 

So your saying any player would be full off confidence in that situation coming back from one of the worst hamstring injuries possible and when he did play, being booed by certian sections from the Newcastle fans is really good for his confidence, yeah right!

No, I take it you can't read. Feel free to point out where I have said that though. I'd have expected more from a player fit by Xmas though. Which games was he boo'ed at by the way?

 

I can't remember the the teams off hand we played but I remeber at least 2 games he was being booed from certian sections even I could hear it over the internet listening to the games which I think is dispicable if he plays for the Toon no matter who he is you don't boo them.

Classic

 

Agreed

[Guest alex]

Alternatively his price could drop the longer he stays here (plus we're still paying his wages) a la Viana.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

Gee it's amazing how many people on here think they know whats going on at the club and it's amazing how they think they know what Roeder is thinking or seeing with Luque let's just wait and see if by the January we see nothing from him then by all means off load him.

 

Why? It doesn't matter that he did **** all last season, why should it matter if he does **** all between now and January?

 

He should be binned asap.

 

well considering he had an injury like he did I don't think there are many players playing today who would recover and do a lot more, so I don't see your point!

He'd recovered by Xmas from that first injury, fancy expecting him to do something in those last 5 months of the season eh?

 

In the few games or so he got?

 

Lets not forget either that all but Shay and Parker were playing absolute shite until Souness left, only then did others pick up their game. Under Roeder however Luque never got a chance, when he has, he's scored twice in what amounts to 4 starts or something.

 

Footballers have to do something during the week between games. Despite everyone else picking up following the departure of souness, Luque didn't pick up and probably wasn't doing whatever Roeder was expecting from him day to day, otherwise he would have featured more than he did. If you don't agree please have a guess why you think Luque wasn't an automatic choice, given that he is WORLD CLASS.

 

Why did Roeder praise him for his training, then? I just think Roeder doesn't fancy him that much in any position, managers do that rightly or wrongly. I think you are reading too much into his non-selection under Roeder likewise those that claim Roeder has a personal problem with him. I don't think he does, I just think he doesn't like what he sees or sees a place for him in the team. SBR didn't really fancy Bowyer in the middle for some reason, Souness didn't fancy Milner for some reason. It happens.

 

You expect him to come out in public and say he's shit in training? Or just shit anyway? Do you always hang off what these people say as though every word that comes out of their mouth is the truth? Bloody hell!

 

:roll:

 

 

No I just jump to assumptions  :roll:

 

Your opinion is conjecture, a reading between the lines. Roeder praising Luque is fact, I have no reason to not believe what he is saying given that Nobby, Parker, Shearer, Shay and others have all claimed Luque has impressed in training too and watching warm up sessions with my own two eyes also suggests he's not a poor trainer.

 

I remember you regularly bringing some off the cuff comments from Supermac claiming Souness had grabbed Bellamy by the throat to condemn Souness. Do you always hang off what these people say as though every word that comes out of their mouth is the truth? Bloody hell!

 

:roll:

[Guest Howaythetoon]

Alternatively his price could drop the longer he stays here (plus we're still paying his wages) a la Viana.

 

True, but just as likely he could come good if given a chance, no?

 

I believe (just my opinion mind) that if he gets a good run in the team he'll start repaying some of that fee back.

[Guest alex]

Alternatively his price could drop the longer he stays here (plus we're still paying his wages) a la Viana.

 

True, but just as likely he could come good if given a chance, no?

 

I believe (just my opinion mind) that if he gets a good run in the team he'll start repaying some of that fee back.

Maybe but I think there's less chance of him coming good. Just my opinion like. Hope I'm wrong or we at least get some decent cash for him. From what I've seen of him though, I'm not even sure where he should play exactly, seems like a luxury player without enough end product.

[garth]

Basically you could say the same thing about Owen he hasn't played that much really and for the 17 million price tag thats quite a lot of money to spend on a player who hasn't played that much as goes with Dyer so I can't see why everybody is being so crictical of Luque.

[Guest alex]

Basically you could say the same thing about Owen he hasn't played that much really and for the 17 million price tag thats quite a lot of money to spend on a player who hasn't played that much as goes with Dyer so I can't see why everybody is being so crictical of Luque.

In all honesty they've turned out to be two shit buys for a variety of reasons. What's your point?

[garth]

Basically you could say the same thing about Owen he hasn't played that much really and for the 17 million price tag thats quite a lot of money to spend on a player who hasn't played that much as goes with Dyer so I can't see why everybody is being so crictical of Luque.

In all honesty they've turned out to be two shit buys for a variety of reasons. What's your point?

My point is most of people on here are so critical of Luque but hardly a thing is said about the other 2 and I'm just wondering why they are so critical of him and not the others I don't see to many Owen bashing threads on hear, sometimes maybe Dyer but never with same intensity as with Luque and I'm not saying you are one of them who doesn't crititisize them but the fact is the majority of the people love to give Luque shit but say nothing about the other two.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

Alternatively his price could drop the longer he stays here (plus we're still paying his wages) a la Viana.

 

True, but just as likely he could come good if given a chance, no?

 

I believe (just my opinion mind) that if he gets a good run in the team he'll start repaying some of that fee back.

Maybe but I think there's less chance of him coming good. Just my opinion like. Hope I'm wrong or we at least get some decent cash for him. From what I've seen of him though, I'm not even sure where he should play exactly, seems like a luxury player without enough end product.

 

I think the chances of him succeeding are slim as well, sadly. I can't see a place for him in the team at the moment for him to get that run of games to prove himself or otherwise.

 

As much as I want to see him succeed and for us to get some value for our money out of him, I concede we would probably be better off cutting our losses because the only way he's going to show he's a 9.5m player is by starting every game in his natural position (whatever that is ) and unless we fail to bring in the strikers we badly need or a major injury happens to N'Zogbia or Duff, I can't see that happening.

 

The criticism from some fans and the local media is way OTT however in my opinion and the whole feeling towards Luque since he arrived from some leaves a sour taste in the mouth that makes me wonder why we even try to sign foreign players because at the first sign of trouble they become "heartless, money grabbing bastards".

 

I'm also of the opinion that should we peddle Luque for a big loss, that will send out a negative message to prospective foreign transfer targets not to come to Newcastle unless they have a Geordie nana or something.

 

Ah, well...

[Guest alex]

Basically you could say the same thing about Owen he hasn't played that much really and for the 17 million price tag thats quite a lot of money to spend on a player who hasn't played that much as goes with Dyer so I can't see why everybody is being so crictical of Luque.

In all honesty they've turned out to be two shit buys for a variety of reasons. What's your point?

My point is most of people on here are so critical of Luque but hardly a thing is said about the other 2 and I'm just wondering why they are so critical of him and not the others I don't see to many Owen bashing threads on hear, sometimes maybe Dyer but never with same intensity as with Luque and I'm not saying you are one of them who doesn't crititisize them but the fact is the majority of the people love to give Luque shit but say nothing about the other two.

Owen and Dyer have had loads of stick (some fair, some not imo). If you think the majority haven't had a pop at them two from time to time you're talking rubbish tbh. You'll probably find that Luque is getting stick because this is a thread about him.

[Guest alex]

Alternatively his price could drop the longer he stays here (plus we're still paying his wages) a la Viana.

 

True, but just as likely he could come good if given a chance, no?

 

I believe (just my opinion mind) that if he gets a good run in the team he'll start repaying some of that fee back.

Maybe but I think there's less chance of him coming good. Just my opinion like. Hope I'm wrong or we at least get some decent cash for him. From what I've seen of him though, I'm not even sure where he should play exactly, seems like a luxury player without enough end product.

 

I think the chances of him succeeding are slim as well, sadly. I can't see a place for him in the team at the moment for him to get that run of games to prove himself or otherwise.

 

As much as I want to see him succeed and for us to get some value for our money out of him, I concede we would probably be better off cutting our losses because the only way he's going to show he's a 9.5m player is by starting every game in his natural position (whatever that is ) and unless we fail to bring in the strikers we badly need or a major injury happens to N'Zogbia or Duff, I can't see that happening.

 

The criticism from some fans and the local media is way OTT however in my opinion and the whole feeling towards Luque since he arrived from some leaves a sour taste in the mouth that makes me wonder why we even try to sign foreign players because at the first sign of trouble they become "heartless, money grabbing bastards".

 

I'm also of the opinion that should we peddle Luque for a big loss, that will send out a negative message to prospective foreign transfer targets not to come to Newcastle unless they have a Geordie nana or something.

 

Ah, well...

I've heard that argument before and I can't be bothered to go over it again really. I don't buy it for a minute though.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

All our players get stick Garth, however most of our players get a fair chance and even second, third and 4th chances in the case of Dyer. Luque was never accepted from the outset though and was never really given a fair crack of the whip from the media, a section of fans and even the club who bought this 9.5m player and didn't really know what to do with him.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

Alternatively his price could drop the longer he stays here (plus we're still paying his wages) a la Viana.

 

True, but just as likely he could come good if given a chance, no?

 

I believe (just my opinion mind) that if he gets a good run in the team he'll start repaying some of that fee back.

Maybe but I think there's less chance of him coming good. Just my opinion like. Hope I'm wrong or we at least get some decent cash for him. From what I've seen of him though, I'm not even sure where he should play exactly, seems like a luxury player without enough end product.

 

I think the chances of him succeeding are slim as well, sadly. I can't see a place for him in the team at the moment for him to get that run of games to prove himself or otherwise.

 

As much as I want to see him succeed and for us to get some value for our money out of him, I concede we would probably be better off cutting our losses because the only way he's going to show he's a 9.5m player is by starting every game in his natural position (whatever that is ) and unless we fail to bring in the strikers we badly need or a major injury happens to N'Zogbia or Duff, I can't see that happening.

 

The criticism from some fans and the local media is way OTT however in my opinion and the whole feeling towards Luque since he arrived from some leaves a sour taste in the mouth that makes me wonder why we even try to sign foreign players because at the first sign of trouble they become "heartless, money grabbing bastards".

 

I'm also of the opinion that should we peddle Luque for a big loss, that will send out a negative message to prospective foreign transfer targets not to come to Newcastle unless they have a Geordie nana or something.

 

Ah, well...

I've heard that argument before and I can't be bothered to go over it again really. I don't buy it for a minute though.

 

Alex you may not buy into it and while it's concentrated to small fractions (thankfully) and we are not unique in this, there is a xenophobic vein running through our club from the boardroom and out onto the stands and even within Thompson House whether people want to believe it or not, it does exist.

 

A debate for another day however.

[Guest alex]

Re: Alan Oliver - fair enough.

[Guest Gemmill]

....and still the excuses keep on coming....

 

No-one is claiming he doesn't need to up his own game or show more heart though Gemmill, you'd have to be blind to not recognise this need yet those wanting us to get rid of him ASP (to write off more money - these are the same people who criticise the club for wasting money ironically) simply won't recognise the numerous factors that have contributed to his case like the injury, adapting to a new country, a new game culture, the Souness factor and quite revealing a lack of games, or a run of games.

 

Lets be honest he didn't arrive in the best of shape having only played a few games in FOUR months. He had no pre-season to talk of and in his 2nd outing he picked up one of the worst injuries a professional athlete could sustain - a grade one tear to the hamstring.

 

He himself admitted for a good while after his recovery he lacked the confidence to push himself in fear of it going again, added to that problem he was struggling to adapt to a new country, a new language and a new way of life and the team and manager were underperforming and losing matches on a weekly basis. When he did feature after his injury he wasn't the only player to underperform or look disinterested.

 

Then Souness went, we started playing better and winning games, yet Luque never played. Towards the end he got a bit of an outing and in those minutes which amount to a few starts he scored 2 goals and looked a lot better, even showing some heart.

 

All the "pro" Luque brigade are saying is give the lad a chance before writing him off completely, lets see if he can do it after 10-15 games or something.

 

I don't want to see him fail or for the club to cut their losses on yet another big money gamble so I agree with the "lets see", lets give him a run of games" argument.

 

As a manager it is Roeder's duty to try and get Luque performing, of course he himself has to show a desire and has to put in a shift or two but I'd be disappointed if the club just peddled him because they couldn't be arsed with all that, but that's what they get paid for, to work with players, to iron out any problems and to get them playing and playing well.

 

Anyway that's the way I see it.

 

Top post! 

 

Nobody is saying he is world class so there is no point in you exaggerating Gemmil. What people are saying is that we should wait a bit more to see if he can fulfil his potential and the latest few recent matches has shown positive signs of improvement. The point is we are not f*cking rich to just write of assets at a loss, unless we get a Russian billionaire soon, we cant just buy players and then sell them off for a loss before we even ascertain whether they can fulfil their potential. If after 10- 15 games, we dont see any improvement, then I have no problem selling him off in January, until then its just poor finance keeping, something that our club cant afford (literally) to do. I’m not so much on the pro Luque brigade (although I’d like him to be given a chance), more like opposed to the ‘lets waste our money coz we delude ourselves in thinking that we are bloody rich’ brigade.   

 

I didn't say anyone was saying that he was world class, so there's no point you putting words in my mouth really.  We might have no choice but to take a big loss on this one because, to be brutally honest, he looks SHIT!  I know I wouldn't pay big money for him having watched his efforts for NUFC - we paid over the odds for him, and now we're knackered.  Nothing we can do about it except hope he improves.  I'm all for him improving, but I won't be holding my breath.......

[Guest ChickenKiev]

I personally think, that if Luque is given the chance and we play some decent football this season (big ifs, but posible!) he will get his 20 odd goals.  blueyes.gif

[Guest Gemmill]

I personally think, that if Luque is given the chance and we play some decent football this season (big ifs, but posible!) he will get his 20 odd goals.  blueyes.gif

 

That's nice, but that can't possibly be based on anything you've seen of him since he arrived to play for us.  Which is what some of us are, understandably enough, basing our opinions on.  In fact, what exactly are you basing the above on??

[Guest ChickenKiev]

I must admit that I didn't know much about the lad until he came to us. Last seaon was a bit of a bad one for him for various reasons but on the other hand he hasn't really settled in yet has he.....no thanks to "fans" hurling abuse at him. He cost us near 10m quid so i'm sure there's something in him ready to burst out I suppose it's more of a feeling than anything else but when players have good ball control and quality they will come good sooner or later.

[Dinho lad]

Never has a player that has given so little inspired so much support from so many (Churchillian, no?). I wouldn't mind if he looked like he gave even half a shit about playing for Newcastle in his time here, or if he didn't look bothered but looked like his ability could outweight that. He's been lacking in every department and yet still people leap to his defence and accuse people of having a go at him because he's Spanish.

 

As the star of HTT's future comedy smash hit would say: Boooooorrrriiiiiiing.

 

Better than Carlton Cole, tbh.

[Guest alex]

I'm going to stick my neck and say he won't get 20-odd goals

[Guest Howaythetoon]

Never has a player that has given so little inspired so much support from so many (Churchillian, no?). I wouldn't mind if he looked like he gave even half a shit about playing for Newcastle in his time here, or if he didn't look bothered but looked like his ability could outweight that. He's been lacking in every department and yet still people leap to his defence and accuse people of having a go at him because he's Spanish.

 

As the star of HTT's future comedy smash hit would say: Boooooorrrriiiiiiing.

 

Soon everyone will be saying that, it will be like the Budweiser advert all over again, Theirry Henry after scoring a magnificent goal will run to the camera and shout "Boooooorrrriiiiiiing" down it, players will rip their shirts off to reveal "Boooooorrrriiiiiiing" written on their vests. Big Al will be on Youtube driving his car shouting "Boooooorrrriiiiiiing" out the window as his daughter records it all on her phone.

 

 

[Howaythelads]

Gee it's amazing how many people on here think they know whats going on at the club and it's amazing how they think they know what Roeder is thinking or seeing with Luque let's just wait and see if by the January we see nothing from him then by all means off load him.

 

Why? It doesn't matter that he did **** all last season, why should it matter if he does **** all between now and January?

 

He should be binned asap.

 

well considering he had an injury like he did I don't think there are many players playing today who would recover and do a lot more, so I don't see your point!

He'd recovered by Xmas from that first injury, fancy expecting him to do something in those last 5 months of the season eh?

 

In the few games or so he got?

 

Lets not forget either that all but Shay and Parker were playing absolute shite until Souness left, only then did others pick up their game. Under Roeder however Luque never got a chance, when he has, he's scored twice in what amounts to 4 starts or something.

 

Footballers have to do something during the week between games. Despite everyone else picking up following the departure of souness, Luque didn't pick up and probably wasn't doing whatever Roeder was expecting from him day to day, otherwise he would have featured more than he did. If you don't agree please have a guess why you think Luque wasn't an automatic choice, given that he is WORLD CLASS.

 

Why did Roeder praise him for his training, then? I just think Roeder doesn't fancy him that much in any position, managers do that rightly or wrongly. I think you are reading too much into his non-selection under Roeder likewise those that claim Roeder has a personal problem with him. I don't think he does, I just think he doesn't like what he sees or sees a place for him in the team. SBR didn't really fancy Bowyer in the middle for some reason, Souness didn't fancy Milner for some reason. It happens.

 

You expect him to come out in public and say he's shit in training? Or just shit anyway? Do you always hang off what these people say as though every word that comes out of their mouth is the truth? Bloody hell!

 

:roll:

 

 

No I just jump to assumptions  :roll:

 

Your opinion is conjecture, a reading between the lines. Roeder praising Luque is fact, I have no reason to not believe what he is saying given that Nobby, Parker, Shearer, Shay and others have all claimed Luque has impressed in training too and watching warm up sessions with my own two eyes also suggests he's not a poor trainer.

 

I remember you regularly bringing some off the cuff comments from Supermac claiming Souness had grabbed Bellamy by the throat to condemn Souness. Do you always hang off what these people say as though every word that comes out of their mouth is the truth? Bloody hell!

 

:roll:

 

First bit in bold...... Based on the fact Roeder doesn't select Luque unless he more or less has no alternative. Care to tell me why he isn't being regularly selected?

 

Second bit in bold..... Your lies don't surprise me anymore, so I couldn't care less what you think you remember.

[Guest Gemmill]

I must admit that I didn't know much about the lad until he came to us. Last seaon was a bit of a bad one for him for various reasons but on the other hand he hasn't really settled in yet has he.....no thanks to "fans" hurling abuse at him. He cost us near 10m quid so i'm sure there's something in him ready to burst out I suppose it's more of a feeling than anything else but when players have good ball control and quality they will come good sooner or later.

 

Mate, Jermaine Jenas cost Spurs £7m and the only thing waiting to burst out of him is his mobile.  Price means nothing.

[Dinho lad]

I'm going to stick my neck and say he won't get 20-odd goals