Dave Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Seeing today Jermain Defoe can't play against Spurs, er, because he used to play for them. Edit - turns out I was wrong on the Defoe transfer, so ignore it... To me this is bullshit. If you loan out or sell a player you're basically saying he's not good enough to be playing every week for you. So why should you be scared of what he does against you? I know we got caught on the bad end of this with the Lua Lua thing the other year, but in my opinion the Premier League/FA should say if a player is loaned or sold to another club, they can then do what the fuck they like with him. Clubs shouldn't be allowed to influence others' results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Its nothing like that, its technically a loan deal because of the hold up with the Benjani deal. Its not a proper transfer until the end of the season according to the FA so he cannot play. Signings can play against their own clubs, its Pompy's own fault for trying to exploit a clause for signing a player after the deadline. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen927 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 I don't mind the case of a loaned player not being allowed to play against his own club. Wasn't there a bit of controversy when Tim Howard signed for Everton permanently and couldn't play against Man United? I'm sure the Premier League investigated it. EDIT: Never mind, post above mind explained the Defoe transfer, I was unsure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Technically, like when they investigated Howard not playing for Everton against Man U, it's 3rd party influence which is against FA ruling anyways. I have no idea why they choose to contradict themselves like this. Players should be able to play whenever, regardless of who they are playing against. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 I don't mind the case of a loaned player not being allowed to play against his own club. Wasn't there a bit of controversy when Tim Howard signed for Everton permanently and couldn't play against Man United? I'm sure the Premier League investigated it. No again wrong. It was when he was on loan and Manu said to Everton he cannot play. Since then its compulsory loan players not to play against their clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 The whole loan system needs completely overhauled. Arsenal's reserves got Birmingham promoted last season which can't be right. Also don't think loans between Premier League teams should be allowed either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Okay, ignore the Defoe thing then. I obviously wasn't 100% sure on the details of his transfer. Just generally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Loaning Lua Lua and allowing him to play against us cost us Champions League football did it not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kingdawson Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 The whole loan system needs completely overhauled. Arsenal's reserves got Birmingham promoted last season which can't be right. Also don't think loans between Premier League teams should be allowed either. Sorry a bit O/T but...... Liam where did you get that quote from (the one on your sign)?? . If i did come out with s*** like that than i can definatly see why i was not liked when i first came on here. f****** hell, i still cant get over that. Total bollocks on my part. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 The whole loan system needs completely overhauled. Arsenal's reserves got Birmingham promoted last season which can't be right. Also don't think loans between Premier League teams should be allowed either. Sorry a bit O/T but...... Liam where did you get that quote from (the one on your sign)?? . If i did come out with s*** like that than i can definatly see why i was not liked when i first came on here. f****** hell, i still cant get over that. Total bollocks on my part. http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=26351.msg487210#msg487210 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 i personally dont think players should be allowed to play in a league in which they can affect the team whio hold their registration. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Premiership clubs shouldn't be allowed to loan from each other anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Didn't we do it with LuaLua? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 I don't mind the case of a loaned player not being allowed to play against his own club. Wasn't there a bit of controversy when Tim Howard signed for Everton permanently and couldn't play against Man United? I'm sure the Premier League investigated it. No again wrong. It was when he was on loan and Manu said to Everton he cannot play. Since then its compulsory loan players not to play against their clubs. He wasn't on loan, he'd already made the deal permanent but it was a 'gentleman's' agreement that he wouldn't play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Didn't we do it with LuaLua? Seeing today Jermain Defoe can't play against Spurs, er, because he used to play for them. Edit - turns out I was wrong on the Defoe transfer, so ignore it... To me this is bullshit. If you loan out or sell a player you're basically saying he's not good enough to be playing every week for you. So why should you be scared of what he does against you? I know we got caught on the bad end of this with the Lua Lua thing the other year, but in my opinion the Premier League/FA should say if a player is loaned or sold to another club, they can then do what the fuck they like with him. Clubs shouldn't be allowed to influence others' results. Loaning Lua Lua and allowing him to play against us cost us Champions League football did it not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 I don't mind the case of a loaned player not being allowed to play against his own club. Wasn't there a bit of controversy when Tim Howard signed for Everton permanently and couldn't play against Man United? I'm sure the Premier League investigated it. No again wrong. It was when he was on loan and Manu said to Everton he cannot play. Since then its compulsory loan players not to play against their clubs. He wasn't on loan, he'd already made the deal permanent but it was a 'gentleman's' agreement that he wouldn't play. but wouldn't that "gentlemans agreement" be against FA rules by another team team influincing team selection ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen927 Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 I don't mind the case of a loaned player not being allowed to play against his own club. Wasn't there a bit of controversy when Tim Howard signed for Everton permanently and couldn't play against Man United? I'm sure the Premier League investigated it. No again wrong. It was when he was on loan and Manu said to Everton he cannot play. Since then its compulsory loan players not to play against their clubs. He wasn't on loan, he'd already made the deal permanent but it was a 'gentleman's' agreement that he wouldn't play. but wouldn't that "gentlemans agreement" be against FA rules by another team team influincing team selection ? Yes, the Premier League investigated it, but I can't remember the outcome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 I don't mind the case of a loaned player not being allowed to play against his own club. Wasn't there a bit of controversy when Tim Howard signed for Everton permanently and couldn't play against Man United? I'm sure the Premier League investigated it. No again wrong. It was when he was on loan and Manu said to Everton he cannot play. Since then its compulsory loan players not to play against their clubs. He wasn't on loan, he'd already made the deal permanent but it was a 'gentleman's' agreement that he wouldn't play. but wouldn't that "gentlemans agreement" be against FA rules by another team team influincing team selection ? Yes, the Premier League investigated it, but I can't remember the outcome. i'll give you a clue.....man utd were involved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil K Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 I still recall Lua Lua's last minute equaliser at Portsmouth and SBR denying that he had anything to do with the allowing him to play against us and Shepherd saying he did. So I'm against it. >>Yes, the Premier League investigated it, but I can't remember the outcome. << i'll give you a clue.....man utd were involved. So with the press therefore guaranteed to be in favour if it helped Man U, it would have skated through.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 The whole loan system needs completely overhauled. Arsenal's reserves got Birmingham promoted last season which can't be right. Also don't think loans between Premier League teams should be allowed either. This is the sort of thing that shouldn't be allowed http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/sheff_wed/7322755.stm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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