Timing: Our past, the present, our future? by NE5

[OzzieMandias]

I'm stunned.

 

I desperately try not to quote 100 line bits from other people, I carefully cut out irrelevent bits (ie most of NE5's stuff) and try to only put in blue answers so people can see where I my points are related to. Then I find someone doesn't do blue !

 

 

If he's colourblind perhaps it explains some of his opinions. The daft bugger's been watching the teams playing in blue or red.

[NE5]

 

Terrible isn't it reaching the FA Cup Final.

 

Just think of all those years with a good board, and all those supporters of other clubs with good boards, watching us at home.

Like you presumably. I thought you were getting paranoid and losing your marbles but supporting Ozzie confirms it.

 

 

Is it terrible reaching the FA Cup Final?

 

I didn't watch them at home, I was in the Olympic Gallery for the Man U final (about 5 or 6 seats away from one of your heroes, Fanny Gowling) and in the cheap seats for the Arsenal game.

 

Supporting Ozzie means nothing more than agreeing with him about this, I guess it'll not always be the case but I can't think of a single person ever in my life who I've agreed with 100% all of the time.

 

If I took your approach then I'd never agree with anybody, a bit like you at the minute.

 

well, at least you're consistent, you prefer people who give you struggling and relegated teams to those who qualify for europe

[Howaythelads]

 

The text is blue, man.

 

Or is your monitor from the seventies too?

 

I hate to have to tell you this sonny, but anything I throw out would probably be an upgrade for the likes of you. Sorry, like.

[Mick]

 

well, at least you're consistent, you prefer people who give you struggling and relegated teams to those who qualify for europe

 

No, I prefer teams which are not struggling and getting relegated, that's why I always felt that appointing Souness was so obviously going to end in tears, Roeder could go the same way but I don't think he's dropped to that level yet.

 

I'm not happy to settle for a chairman who is taking us backwards, its you who is settling for struggling and the possibility of relegation.

[Howaythelads]

Have you forgot that I am Mick, NE5? As well as Ozzie, and Toon's Taylor of course.

 

Seriously though, whilst I admire your stubbornness, does it never occur to you that there is rather a large proportion of fans (on this forum and Toontastic, at least) that do not rate the chairman?

 

Why do you think that so many individuals hold this view?

 

because they've not seen a shite one ?

 

 

 

Agreed. Don't expect them to get it. The only way they'll get it is when the club returns to those days. Then they'll all deny they slated Fred, which is par for the course given the lies about their support for Souness.

[Mick]

 

The text is blue, man.

 

Or is your monitor from the seventies too?

 

I hate to have to tell you this sonny, but anything I throw out would probably be an upgrade for the likes of you. Sorry, like.

:doh2:

I can only guess and hope that you knew what you were on about when you typed that one.

[Mick]

 

Agreed. Don't expect them to get it. The only way they'll get it is when the club returns to those days. Then they'll all deny they slated Fred, which is par for the course given the lies about their support for Souness.

 

Take your time when reading this.

 

Take time out and get medical advice, first you don't see comments from people which you later put down to having a PC which out-dates electricity, then you see my support for Souness which has never been seen before, by anybody else although I'm sure NE5 will back you up.

 

You have some sort of problem, it's probably a medical condition but it would be worth getting a second opinion and the relevant treatment.

[Howaythelads]

HO Ho as I said the same old rubbish. Nothing changes where you are concerned.

Perhaps you can give straight answers to the following questions that you brither NE5 avoids.

 

1. Do you think the quality of performance under Sir John Hall and KK has been maintained under Shepherd?

2. Do you think an ambitious club and chairman would appoint Souness and Roeder as Managers?

 

I'll give you a clue the answer to the questions is "Yes" or "No"

 

Try not to get too personal, there are people on here who do want sensible debate rather than dismissive contempt.

 

Now I'll repeat:

1. Do you think the quality of performance under Sir John Hall and KK has been maintained under Shepherd?

2. Do you think an ambitious club and chairman would appoint Souness and Roeder as Managers?

 

 

Nothing changes where you're concerned. We play shit, you make a critical post. We play well, you post it's a one off, that the opponents were crap. Whatever you can think of to put the performance down.

 

From your posts at the time it was obvious you found it galling when Robson had us finishing 4th, 3rd and 5th, although you'll deny it now and you'll rely on people who weren't around at that time to think I'm making it up. Some of us know who is telling the truth here though.

 

If you can read then you will know that my views on the 2 questions you've asked have already been answered many times before. The first question is stupid, tbh. By your own admission over the last few years of reading your posts, you believe Keegan was a shite manager and the team he produced was shite, so the real question is do YOU think the performances have been maintained since Keegan? They're pretty shite now so you probably think they have.

Don't do that. You are falling into the NE5 trap of making up another person's view and then criticising them for it.

 

It would be good if some had the guts to admit they got it wrong by supporting Souness long after such support should have disappeared. Who knows, had there been no support for him sooner the Board may have sacked him before he'd wasted £50m, as I predicted and was slated for as usual. I did say I didn't want him given any money during that very first transfer window and the responses were along the lines of the responses I'll no doubt get to this post.

This is the most disingenious part of either your's or NE5's argument. Trying to demolish someone else's argument by saying that they supported the team manager appointed, and backed, by Shepherd.

Now you are even sugegsting that if more people had had a go at Souness earlier the chairman may have done something about it earlier !! Is that really the leadership you expect from our chairman ?

The key part of the chairman's job is to ensure that he has the correct person as team manager. You seem to suggest that these decisions are only taken when the crow do tell the chairman what to do and when. This matches up with Shepherd saying 'the fans' wanted Roeder.

My mother could do that. If it really is down to listening to phone-ins, reading chat-sites to decide whether to sack a manager, and who to replace him with then seriously even NE5 could do that. Yes even him. Although only if my mother turned it down. I would guess he would be able to do it for mebbe half of the £500,000 the club pay Shepherd.   

 

Why do you keep quoting people's posts and writing nowt of your own?

 

Is the blue text yours?

 

Blue text? You're making assumptions, the sign of an idiot. There is no blue text displayed in my browser.

 

No doubt you think everyone uses the same settings on their PC, a quite stupid assumption to make and a pretty basic error on the part of the person posting.

 

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No, I'm not falling into any trap mate by making that accusation earlier. I read the posts from John on a forum different to this one. He knows it, anyone else who read that forum knows it. It's pathetic that he's denying it now.

 

By the way, football club Board's are influenced by the reaction of supporters. To believe otherwise is a bit daft, mate. Had there been less support for Souness my opinion is he'd have been booted earlier. In any event, that isn't the point, the point is that the people who are slagging Fred for appointing Souness and giving him time would have also slated Fred relentlessly had he sacked him back when I wanted him sacked. That much was obvious from the reaction toward me at the time I advocated sacking the bastard. For me, that is called double standards and reeks of "damned if they do, damned if they don't".

[OzzieMandias]

The increasingly unhinged nature of "arguments" from the pro-Fat Freddy camp (if two people can be called a "camp") suggests a certain desperation.

[Howaythelads]

 

Agreed. Don't expect them to get it. The only way they'll get it is when the club returns to those days. Then they'll all deny they slated Fred, which is par for the course given the lies about their support for Souness.

 

Take your time when reading this.

 

Take time out and get medical advice, first you don't see comments from people which you later put down to having a PC which out-dates electricity, then you see my support for Souness which has never been seen before, by anybody else although I'm sure NE5 will back you up.

 

You have some sort of problem, it's probably a medical condition but it would be worth getting a second opinion and the relevant treatment.

 

Eh? You know how old my computers are?

 

Listen Mick, give me your address and I'll GIVE you a computer for FREE that is only 3 years old. It's sitting in my garage right now with a big 19" monitor as well. That will still leave me with THREE home computers that are all under 6 months old.  I'll even throw in the mouse, keyboard and speakers.

 

[Howaythelads]

The increasingly unhinged nature of "arguments" from the pro-Fat Freddy camp (if two people can be called a "camp") suggests a certain desperation.

 

Still waiting for the nob rant......

[OzzieMandias]

 

Agreed. Don't expect them to get it. The only way they'll get it is when the club returns to those days. Then they'll all deny they slated Fred, which is par for the course given the lies about their support for Souness.

 

Take your time when reading this.

 

Take time out and get medical advice, first you don't see comments from people which you later put down to having a PC which out-dates electricity, then you see my support for Souness which has never been seen before, by anybody else although I'm sure NE5 will back you up.

 

You have some sort of problem, it's probably a medical condition but it would be worth getting a second opinion and the relevant treatment.

 

Eh? You know how old my computers are?

 

Listen Mick, give me your address and I'll GIVE you a computer for FREE that is only 3 years old. It's sitting in my garage right now with a big 19" monitor as well. That will still leave me with THREE home computers that are all under 6 months old.  I'll even throw in the mouse, keyboard and speakers.

 

 

My computers are newer than your computers. Nyah nyah nyah-nyah nyaaah!!

 

Yes, very mature.

[Howaythelads]

 

Agreed. Don't expect them to get it. The only way they'll get it is when the club returns to those days. Then they'll all deny they slated Fred, which is par for the course given the lies about their support for Souness.

 

Take your time when reading this.

 

Take time out and get medical advice, first you don't see comments from people which you later put down to having a PC which out-dates electricity, then you see my support for Souness which has never been seen before, by anybody else although I'm sure NE5 will back you up.

 

You have some sort of problem, it's probably a medical condition but it would be worth getting a second opinion and the relevant treatment.

 

Eh? You know how old my computers are?

 

Listen Mick, give me your address and I'll GIVE you a computer for FREE that is only 3 years old. It's sitting in my garage right now with a big 19" monitor as well. That will still leave me with THREE home computers that are all under 6 months old.  I'll even throw in the mouse, keyboard and speakers.

 

 

My computers are newer than your computers. Nyah nyah nyah-nyah nyaaah!!

 

Yes, very mature.

 

What? Do I  give a shit that your computers are newer than mine, millions of people have computers newer than mine and according to Mick, some have them dating back to pre-electricity days, which means even more people have newer one's than that. If you want to know why people are on about the age of their computer talk to your idiot mate.

 

[NE5]

 

well, at least you're consistent, you prefer people who give you struggling and relegated teams to those who qualify for europe

 

No, I prefer teams which are not struggling and getting relegated, that's why I always felt that appointing Souness was so obviously going to end in tears, Roeder could go the same way but I don't think he's dropped to that level yet.

 

I'm not happy to settle for a chairman who is taking us backwards, its you who is settling for struggling and the possibility of relegation.

 

but you are backing Ozzie who backed Souness

 

I am pleased you are not happy to be playing in europe with all the other leading clubs in the country. Can't imagine what your reaction would be if we were one of those shit clubs with shit boards that never play in europe, sell their best players and consistently fight relegation or go down.

 

 

[Howaythelads]

 

well, at least you're consistent, you prefer people who give you struggling and relegated teams to those who qualify for europe

 

No, I prefer teams which are not struggling and getting relegated, that's why I always felt that appointing Souness was so obviously going to end in tears, Roeder could go the same way but I don't think he's dropped to that level yet.

 

I'm not happy to settle for a chairman who is taking us backwards, its you who is settling for struggling and the possibility of relegation.

 

but you are backing Ozzie who backed Souness

 

I am pleased you are not happy to be playing in europe with all the other leading clubs in the country. Can't imagine what your reaction would be if we were one of those shit clubs with shit boards that never play in europe, sell their best players and consistently fight relegation or go down.

 

 

 

He doesn't know it ever happened.

 

He lied about being there.

[NE5]

 

Agreed. Don't expect them to get it. The only way they'll get it is when the club returns to those days. Then they'll all deny they slated Fred, which is par for the course given the lies about their support for Souness.

 

Take your time when reading this.

 

Take time out and get medical advice, first you don't see comments from people which you later put down to having a PC which out-dates electricity, then you see my support for Souness which has never been seen before, by anybody else although I'm sure NE5 will back you up.

 

You have some sort of problem, it's probably a medical condition but it would be worth getting a second opinion and the relevant treatment.

 

Eh? You know how old my computers are?

 

Listen Mick, give me your address and I'll GIVE you a computer for FREE that is only 3 years old. It's sitting in my garage right now with a big 19" monitor as well. That will still leave me with THREE home computers that are all under 6 months old.  I'll even throw in the mouse, keyboard and speakers.

 

 

My computers are newer than your computers. Nyah nyah nyah-nyah nyaaah!!

 

Yes, very mature.

 

a mature post from you would be a reply to my question about you supporting Souness, at the 11th attempt.

 

 

[Dokko]

 

Agreed. Don't expect them to get it. The only way they'll get it is when the club returns to those days. Then they'll all deny they slated Fred, which is par for the course given the lies about their support for Souness.

 

Take your time when reading this.

 

Take time out and get medical advice, first you don't see comments from people which you later put down to having a PC which out-dates electricity, then you see my support for Souness which has never been seen before, by anybody else although I'm sure NE5 will back you up.

 

You have some sort of problem, it's probably a medical condition but it would be worth getting a second opinion and the relevant treatment.

 

Eh? You know how old my computers are?

 

Listen Mick, give me your address and I'll GIVE you a computer for FREE that is only 3 years old. It's sitting in my garage right now with a big 19" monitor as well. That will still leave me with THREE home computers that are all under 6 months old.  I'll even throw in the mouse, keyboard and speakers.

 

 

Just a regular Bill Gates but with the heart of Geldof...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And the eyes of Stevie Wonder.

[OzzieMandias]

 

What? Do I  give a shit that your computers are newer than mine, millions of people have computers newer than mine and according to Mick, some have them dating back to pre-electricity days, which means even more people have newer one's than that. If you want to know why people are on about the age of their computer talk to your idiot mate.

 

 

Oh dear, you've missed the point. I was parodying you banging on childishly about your computers.

 

Sorry for the misunderstanding. In future I'll  t y p e  m o r e  s l o w l y  and try to make my jokes a bit more obvious for you.

[Howaythelads]

 

What? Do I  give a shit that your computers are newer than mine, millions of people have computers newer than mine and according to Mick, some have them dating back to pre-electricity days, which means even more people have newer one's than that. If you want to know why people are on about the age of their computer talk to your idiot mate.

 

 

Oh dear, you've missed the point. I was parodying you banging on childishly about your computers.

 

Sorry for the misunderstanding. In future I'll  t y p e  m o r e  s l o w l y  and try to make my jokes a bit more obvious for you.

 

I thought you were Neil, hence the references to nobs. Now I'm not so sure. I don't think even Neil, fool though he is, would have walked straight into that one.

 

You must be the most stupid person on this forum.

[NE5]

 

What? Do I  give a shit that your computers are newer than mine, millions of people have computers newer than mine and according to Mick, some have them dating back to pre-electricity days, which means even more people have newer one's than that. If you want to know why people are on about the age of their computer talk to your idiot mate.

 

 

Oh dear, you've missed the point. I was parodying you banging on childishly about your computers.

 

Sorry for the misunderstanding. In future I'll  t y p e  m o r e  s l o w l y  and try to make my jokes a bit more obvious for you.

 

see my post in the thread "freddie Shephards greatest hits" that was started by this idiot.

 

Who claims he is mature but won;t answer a question I've asked him 11 times.

 

 

[OzzieMandias]

 

You must be the most stupid person on this forum.

 

Your intelligence, maturity, unfailing courtesy and really, really new computers are a shining example to us all.

[macbeth]

 

Who claims he is mature but won;t answer a question I've asked him 11 times.

 

 

 

you still haven't answered any of those questions I asked of you back in the spring. You are the king of the hypocrits. Long live the King

[Guest elbee909]

 

Fair enough. Just be careful what you wish for, as there are degrees of 'selling it short' that you're ignorance makes you unaware of and your lack of intelligence prevents you from even trying to appreciate.

 

Mmm.  Cutting!  I do recomend running your reply through the grammar check first if you're going to respond with an unfounded implication of higher intelligence on your part, old chap.

 

When faced with something you have no answer to you resort to highlighting a spelling error. Sums you up.

 

When faced with something you have no arguments against you resort to casting aspersions on a fellow's intelligence.  Which is why I followed up as I did.  Wake up.

[NE5]

 

Who claims he is mature but won;t answer a question I've asked him 11 times.

 

 

you still haven't answered any of those questions I asked of you back in the spring. You are the king of the hypocrits. Long live the King

 

you mean when I exposed you for telling lies ?

 

I've answered your questions if there is any I have missed then its because I think you haven't a clue how to run a football club, like Crozier and all these other types you aspire to, and admire

 

My question to mandy is fairly straightforward. He backed Souness, so what is his opinion now, as he disappeared when he was sacked and has showed up again.

 

I'm sure he is a big enough boy to answer his own questions unless you are his fairy godmother.

 

 

[Mick]

 

but you are backing Ozzie who backed Souness

 

I am pleased you are not happy to be playing in europe with all the other leading clubs in the country. Can't imagine what your reaction would be if we were one of those shit clubs with shit boards that never play in europe, sell their best players and consistently fight relegation or go down.

 

 

 

I'll back Ozzie on some things and not on others, I'll probably back you on some and not on others, like I did with Souness but not Shepherd, that's normal.