Mort - "not looking to make one-off signings to appease fans"

[Liam Liam Liam O]

3 pages later & still no answer

 

I'll ask again, NE5, how much do you think we'll spend this summer?

 

Answer in £'s please

[NE5]

3 pages later & still no answer

 

I'll ask again, NE5, how much do you think we'll spend this summer?

 

Answer in £'s please

 

oh dear. 400m. I don;t know I'm not Chris Mort or Mike Ashley !!!

 

What a question  howay mate, keep it sensible 

[Baggio]

Btw NE5 it seems like we agree where the team needs strengthening.

[Mick]

 

It was more a case of make an offer that Liverpool couldn't or didn't want to match IMO.

 

Liverpool didn't want to go above what they got for him, they weren't going to go above £8 million so doubling that bid was rank stupidity at best.

[UV]

I honestly can't believe that people think £16m was too much to pay for a 26 year old Michael Owen.

[fredbob]

Infact the signing he could have been talking about could well have been Keegan as a player.

 

That's the last one I could come up with that fitted the criteria you all seem to be assuming he means. He only cost £100,000 like.

 

Duff, Owen, Luque, Boumsong, Rooney bid, Torres supposed bid, Casino plans, all things which arguably were signed to get season ticket sales going again, again there were questionalbe motives for most of those players, wouldnt go as far as saying they were all "statement signings" but maybe signings made with not he 1st teams best interests at heart....

[Dr Venkman]

I honestly can't believe that people think £16m was too much to pay for a 26 year old Michael Owen.

 

worth every penny

[fredbob]

I honestly can't believe that people think £16m was too much to pay for a 26 year old Michael Owen.

 

£16m, £110k and a £8m(?) transfer clause were all too much for aplayer who had barely played for his previous team, again you reiterated to point we're trying to make in this entire thread, it was the name we were  primarily buying not the player.

[UV]

Infact the signing he could have been talking about could well have been Keegan as a player.

 

That's the last one I could come up with that fitted the criteria you all seem to be assuming he means. He only cost £100,000 like.

 

Duff, Owen, Luque, Boumsong, Rooney bid, Torres supposed bid, Casino plans, all things which arguably were signed to get season ticket sales going again, again there were questionalbe motives for most of those players, wouldnt go as far as saying they were all "statement signings" but maybe signings made with not he 1st teams best interests at heart....

 

Can't see many people rushing to renew their season tickets just because we bought Duff. When we bought Luque we'd already got Owen so they'd done enough to get the money in anyway if that was their only motive. Boumsong was a necessary (if over priced) signing who most were happy with at the time. Would you have turned your nose up at getting Torres and Rooney? Where the casino comes into it I've no idea.

[UV]

I honestly can't believe that people think £16m was too much to pay for a 26 year old Michael Owen.

 

worth every penny

 

Can you tell me this weeks lottery numbers too.

[ChezGiven]

I honestly can't believe that people think £16m was too much to pay for a 26 year old Michael Owen.

 

£16m, £110k and a £8m(?) transfer clause were all too much for aplayer who had barely played for his previous team, again you reiterated to point we're trying to make in this entire thread, it was the name we were  primarily buying not the player.

 

Owen hadnt started that much but had a good goals to game ratio at Madrid.

[fredbob]

3 pages later & still no answer

 

I'll ask again, NE5, how much do you think we'll spend this summer?

 

Answer in £'s please

 

oh dear. 400m. I don;t know I'm not Chris Mort or Mike Ashley !!!

 

What a question  howay mate, keep it sensible 

 

Its not hard to give an estimate....you said it yourself spending money=ambition, therefore more money, more ambition- true??

 

So do you think we'll outspend our previous high of £50m do you think we'll go less or higher?  A rough estimate on the level of ambition  you think the board will show is all we're asking for...

[Baggio]

There's a difference between a player being worth £16 million and us paying it for him, most feel we could have got him cheaper considering there was no real competition for his signing apart from Liverpool for £8 million and the fact Madrid were desperate to move him on.

 

 

[Mick]

I honestly can't believe that people think £16m was too much to pay for a 26 year old Michael Owen.

 

I honestly can't believe that people think paying more than double what our nearest rivals were willing to pay for a player who was desperate to get first team games and could only manage that by leaving a club who were only too willing to let him go was good business.

[Baggio]

3 pages later & still no answer

 

I'll ask again, NE5, how much do you think we'll spend this summer?

 

Answer in £'s please

 

oh dear. 400m. I don;t know I'm not Chris Mort or Mike Ashley !!!

 

What a question  howay mate, keep it sensible 

 

Its not hard to give an estimate....you said it yourself spending money=ambition, therefore more money, more ambition- true??

 

So do you think we'll outspend our previous high of £50m do you think we'll go less or higher?  A rough estimate on the level of ambition  you think the board will show is all we're asking for...

 

We've never spent £50 million in a season.

[Dr Venkman]

I honestly can't believe that people think £16m was too much to pay for a 26 year old Michael Owen.

 

worth every penny

 

Can you tell me this weeks lottery numbers too.

 

ahh, you're saying that i'm using the benefit of hindsight and i couldnt possibly have known he would be worth every penny when he signed? is this correct? am i on the right lines? keep me right here

 

i'm just not so sure that post made you look as clever as you intended it to

[Dr Venkman]

I honestly can't believe that people think £16m was too much to pay for a 26 year old Michael Owen.

 

I honestly can't believe that people think paying more than double what our nearest rivals were willing to pay for a player who was desperate to get first team games and could only manage that by leaving a club who were only too willing to let him go was good business.

 

we can be sure of one thing mate, freddy shepherd loves money, i'll take some convincing that he'd have paid more than he had to to get someone, more than he thought he had to i mean, there can be no accounting for stupidity

[Baggio]

Infact the signing he could have been talking about could well have been Keegan as a player.

 

That's the last one I could come up with that fitted the criteria you all seem to be assuming he means. He only cost £100,000 like.

 

Duff, Owen, Luque, Boumsong, Rooney bid, Torres supposed bid, Casino plans, all things which arguably were signed to get season ticket sales going again, again there were questionalbe motives for most of those players, wouldnt go as far as saying they were all "statement signings" but maybe signings made with not he 1st teams best interests at heart....

 

Can't see many people rushing to renew their season tickets just because we bought Duff. When we bought Luque we'd already got Owen so they'd done enough to get the money in anyway if that was their only motive. Boumsong was a necessary (if over priced) signing who most were happy with at the time. Would you have turned your nose up at getting Torres and Rooney? Where the casino comes into it I've no idea.

 

Luque signed a few days before Owen.

[ChezGiven]

Seeing as price for anything depends on scarcity, the length of time left on a contract plays a big part in the price of a footballer.

 

He went to Madrid with little left on his contract but was re-sold with longer on that contract. We dont know what other bids were being made and Madrid may have just said no to a lesser offer, knowing they could hold out for a better price. The clubs need to agree a fee first and just because Liverpool didnt want to spend more than they sold him for does not mean Madrid would have accepted a £9 or 10m offer for him from us. We may have offered this and they said no, no one knows.

[fredbob]

Infact the signing he could have been talking about could well have been Keegan as a player.

 

That's the last one I could come up with that fitted the criteria you all seem to be assuming he means. He only cost £100,000 like.

 

Duff, Owen, Luque, Boumsong, Rooney bid, Torres supposed bid, Casino plans, all things which arguably were signed to get season ticket sales going again, again there were questionalbe motives for most of those players, wouldnt go as far as saying they were all "statement signings" but maybe signings made with not he 1st teams best interests at heart....

 

Can't see many people rushing to renew their season tickets just because we bought Duff. When we bought Luque we'd already got Owen so they'd done enough to get the money in anyway if that was their only motive. Boumsong was a necessary (if over priced) signing who most were happy with at the time. Would you have turned your nose up at getting Torres and Rooney? Where the casino comes into it I've no idea.

 

How could you possibly know that? All im saying, and i think you kindof agree to an extent, is that maybe they werent signings made with the best interest of the first team at heart, especially the Souness debacle when it was clear to everyone that season ticket sales were at there lowest, maybe he needed to stir up interest by going on the spree.  Hell even Solano was resigned for the fans.

 

It seemed that way too me, if you think that those signings or (attempted signings) were made 100% for the benefit of the fisrt team and only for the benefit of the fisrt team then that is upto you, ill take the cynical route i stick with my belief that maybe, just maybe they werent just signed for the benefit of the first team, but for the benefit of the finances and season ticket sales.

 

To me the evidence during SBR final seasons suggest it, no money during summer, SBR wanting a CB (having sold one of our best ever), then when seaon ticket sales start to drop we find £25m from somewhere to bid on Torres and Rooney....theres my evidence and thats maybe what Mort is on about.

 

Maybe im wrong.

[UV]

I honestly can't believe that people think £16m was too much to pay for a 26 year old Michael Owen.

 

worth every penny

 

Can you tell me this weeks lottery numbers too.

 

ahh, you're saying that i'm using the benefit of hindsight and i couldnt possibly have known he would be worth every penny when he signed? is this correct? am i on the right lines? keep me right here

 

i'm just not so sure that post made you look as clever as you intended it to

 

If you weren't being sarcastic I sincerely appologise.

[NE5]

Infact the signing he could have been talking about could well have been Keegan as a player.

 

That's the last one I could come up with that fitted the criteria you all seem to be assuming he means. He only cost £100,000 like.

 

Duff, Owen, Luque, Boumsong, Rooney bid, Torres supposed bid, Casino plans, all things which arguably were signed to get season ticket sales going again, again there were questionalbe motives for most of those players, wouldnt go as far as saying they were all "statement signings" but maybe signings made with not he 1st teams best interests at heart....

 

what are you talking about ?

 

Doesn't everybody buy players to ultimately attract fans ?

 

 

[Mick]

 

Can't see many people rushing to renew their season tickets just because we bought Duff. When we bought Luque we'd already got Owen so they'd done enough to get the money in anyway if that was their only motive. Boumsong was a necessary (if over priced) signing who most were happy with at the time. Would you have turned your nose up at getting Torres and Rooney? Where the casino comes into it I've no idea.

 

Boumsong wasn't a necessary signing, a replacement for Woodgate was necessary, not a player who had only just gone to Rangers on a free transfer and who wasn't very good in a shite league and I said that at the time and got a bit of stick for saying it.  £8 million for that clown would have been funny if it was another team shelling that sort of money on him.

 

Did we not rush out and but Owen and Luque after a terrible start to the season when the fans were chanting "sack the board" and "Shepherd out" because we hadn't won a game and the manager kept referring to how he'd given the chairman his list of players?  I've no idea if the signings were coincidence or a way of appeasing the fans, it could have been either.

[Dr Venkman]

I honestly can't believe that people think £16m was too much to pay for a 26 year old Michael Owen.

 

worth every penny

 

Can you tell me this weeks lottery numbers too.

 

ahh, you're saying that i'm using the benefit of hindsight and i couldnt possibly have known he would be worth every penny when he signed? is this correct? am i on the right lines? keep me right here

 

i'm just not so sure that post made you look as clever as you intended it to

 

If you weren't being sarcastic I sincerely appologise.

 

haha, i was deadly serious, thats ok mate, have you got sigs turned off or something? i've been fighting his corner for years, incidentally i just won a 100 quid bet that he would come back from injury and be a major player for us, a bet i made with me mam!

[fredbob]

I honestly can't believe that people think £16m was too much to pay for a 26 year old Michael Owen.

 

£16m, £110k and a £8m(?) transfer clause were all too much for aplayer who had barely played for his previous team, again you reiterated to point we're trying to make in this entire thread, it was the name we were  primarily buying not the player.

 

Owen hadnt started that much but had a good goals to game ratio at Madrid.

 

Still didnt warrant the mark up he got in my opinion, fair point about the longer contract, but i still dont think that there should of been a 100% mark up on his initial sign fee, espcially with so few appearences.

 

My point also, is that you look at the other figures tied in with this transfer, such as the clause and the silly wages, and you see the desperation NOT determination to sign him, and that speaks volumes to me.