Beardsley and Beresford talk-in - Kingston Park

[colinmk]

Man Utd in for Beye?  Fucking disgrace if it happens.

 

Wouldn't surprise me. He looks like he could walk into a top four team in terms of ability and attitude to me. We will fight tooth and nail for him I'm sure though.

 

Nice to hear that about Tino in that article, he certainly was an inspiration.

[steve_69]

I don't actually think Beye would go if an offer came in - he seems to really love it here. Maybe he's just that sort of fella who gives 110% whichever team/manager he plays for but his affection for the club seem genuine

[Disco]

Sounds like a good night, Cheers for that Coach.

[Guest johnson293]

I don't actually think Beye would go if an offer came in - he seems to really love it here. Maybe he's just that sort of fella who gives 110% whichever team/manager he plays for but his affection for the club seem genuine

 

The way we have started playing under Keegan, all of the players seem to be enjoying the football, and life at the club again.

 

I would hope most, if not all of the current first team/squad would want to be here next season, and see what we can achieve.

 

Obviously a top 4/champions league club coming in for any player would be a big pull - but potentially, we could only be one season away from being in Europe again - so I would hope all of our better players would want to be part of the (near) future at the club.

[Guest alex]

I think he'd go to Man Utd like. He'd be mad not to as well.

[Guest Knightrider]

Beardsley NOT harsh about SBR - he was quite correct..

Both him AND Bez are right about most of today's team, ESP Geremi - he is well-below what we should have in midfield..

Disagree with Beardlsey about 'just enjoy it, never mind the future'...that has been what was wrong with NUFC over the years, ans successful clubs ALWAYS plan for the future..

Agree with Bez's view of Shearer more than Beardsley's, but the whole thing sounded quite interesting.

Also agree that KK DOES have a ruthless side, and so he should - he probably learned that from Shanks.

 

Even if he was quite right as you put it which I don't think he was at all, I was more bothered about the tone of Beardsley's comments, kind of sneering. I think even he knew he was being a bit tough because he added "don't get me wrong, he did a lot for me and I like the bloke"... but I think something has happened between those two myself as Beardsley did come across as a bitter/cynical person at times about one or two things that were discussed during the evening. Btw Beardsley never mention the finishing 5th season, he referred to the start of the following season, calling it a mess.

 

Regarding their thoughts on Shearer, I thought the fact that both were very careful with their words was telling. I've heard this said many a time that Shearer is one hell of an influential and powerful figure within football, especially at Newcastle, even with the takeover and change of managers. They were ripping the piss out of everyone, including KK, all night, but Shearer.... you can tell he's not to be messed with or taken lightly for some reason.

 

He didn't really have an answer to my brother in law and my question regarding life after KK, didn't seem to want to acknowledge it, I thought he was missing the bigger picture. I even said, look we've had X amount of managers, all failed to live up to KK, this massive figure, its getting to the point that only KK can manage this club, is that dangerous etc. Not the night for a serious debate about that I suppose, one for the forum maybe?

 

Some other things....

 

Said Roeder was a great team-mate, captain, confidante and coach, especially to youngsters, loved the role and everyone loved him, becoming manager changed him however, went to his head and no-one respected him within the dressing room. Should never have been giving the job said Beardsley, none of them bar Dalglish and SBR were good enough for Newcastle. Called Souness a cunt I think and wasn't equally complimentary about Big Sam, said he was a fake basically. Lost his job the day fans shouted you don't know what you're doing, reckoned Beardsley.

 

He's desperate for a role in the academy (Bez calling it criminal), spoke very well about that side of the game in terms of what's going wrong, what's needed and what he would like to see done (room full of coaches and junior club representatives so it struck a chord with many). I dunno like, jobs for boys and all that, and he did say he would struggle to show a kid what he can do as he would rather a kid learned something new and natural by trying it out for themselves rather than have someone break it down and show them, has to be spontaneous and from within. I agreed. He also mentioned how he got knocked back when he was younger, says he always knew he had ability because he could read a pass, but didn't have the physical side to play a pass, was weak in that sense. Very encouraging considering just how fucking good he went on to become.

 

Regarding Oliver, says he's a thorn to NUFC, can't keep his gob shut, will leak a major story in spite of NUFC to be seen as the know it all exclusive reporter which was very telling. Said the Dunne story should never have went to print, could jeopardize the story. I reckon the Dunne link btw is very real and reading between the lines, is happening, maybe this is the renowned player someone behind the scenes reckons we're close to signing, along with some youngsters.

 

The antics of the players and the spirit under KK first time round man

 

Nee wonder they all love him and just why he was so good for us and just why how hard it will be to replicate because you can't buy those things, those moments and times when everything just clicked.

 

Btw, Bez, fucking top bloke, had time for people well before and after the talk in, as he arrived before Pedro I think, a genuine nice down to earth bloke who you get the impression would talk all day long about NUFC and his days here.

 

Best of all though a few quid raised for our young footballers and their clubs in the City.

[Guest Knightrider]

Oh and I'll be ganning to all these kind of talk-ins in the near future so expect some more write ups like this.

[Guest Knightrider]

Just been reminded by the Sven thread, Beardsley says we should be in like a shot for any of Man City's best players like Dunne, Richards, Petrov and Elano and said KK will no doubt be keeping tabs on their situation. Maybe something more in those comments?

[Big Geordie]

Wished I could have been at the talk-in - great write-ups from those who were there. Beardsley is a top lad - met him early on last year. 

[Guest Knightrider]

Man Utd in for Beye?  Fucking disgrace if it happens.

 

Wouldn't surprise me. He looks like he could walk into a top four team in terms of ability and attitude to me. We will fight tooth and nail for him I'm sure though.

 

Nice to hear that about Tino in that article, he certainly was an inspiration.

 

Just to clarify, they are not in for him, but Beardsley thinks he's a class act and the type of player any of the top 4 would love, especially Man Utd.

[Cronky]

Some more good stuff, thanks HTT.

 

Beardsley was always getting subbed by Dalglish at Liverpool, so I think there was a bit of an edge to their relationship even before Dalglish came to us. With Sir Bob, I think I'm right in saying that he was in charge when Beardsley and Wharton faced that enquiry about bullying academy players, so maybe there's something left over from that. He certainly comes across as bitter in many respects.

 

With Shearer, I'm quite convinced that many people in the game are actually a bit afraid of him. I don't just mean people connected with NUFC who are worried about his influence - I think it's much more widespread. It's journos as well. The guy has a presence about him which makes people very wary of upsetting him.

[Guest Knightrider]

Some more good stuff, thanks HTT.

 

Beardsley was always getting subbed by Dalglish at Liverpool, so I think there was a bit of an edge to their relationship even before Dalglish came to us. With Sir Bob, I think I'm right in saying that he was in charge when Beardsley and Wharton faced that enquiry about bullying academy players, so maybe there's something left over from that. He certainly comes across as bitter in many respects.

 

With Shearer, I'm quite convinced that many people in the game are actually a bit afraid of him. I don't just mean people connected with NUFC who are worried about his influence - I think it's much more widespread. It's journos as well. The guy has a presence about him which makes people very wary of upsetting him.

 

It's weird because at first at Liverpool, Beardsley said Dalglish was great for him. KK advised Pedro to try and double his wages when he joined them (was getting 1200 here) yet Dalglish told him to go for 5K which is what he got, played him a lot, gave him a free role etc. Then he brought Aldridge in and the two fell out, and of course he shipped him out of Newcastle too.

 

Shearer's power seems to be legendary yet no-one will touch on why and how, I know he's well respected because of his achievements, type of player etc. and also because of his character, many times now I've heard or read that he was the most dedicated pro and a top bloke, but there does seem to be a fear, Beresford was very cagey when talking about him, as if he was trying not to say anything bad or disrespectful or anything that could get misconstrued by those in attendance, i.e. anything that could get back to Big Al yet every other name banded about was fair game where taking the piss and spilling a few stories was concerned.

[Dokko]

I don't actually think Beye would go if an offer came in - he seems to really love it here. Maybe he's just that sort of fella who gives 110% whichever team/manager he plays for but his affection for the club seem genuine

 

Wishful thinking.

 

If we can get £6m for him then fine its unfair to stop him moving to a club like manu at his age.

 

We paid nearly £3m for him so double our money seems ok to me.

[Guest Scouseman]

Some more good stuff, thanks HTT.

 

Beardsley was always getting subbed by Dalglish at Liverpool, so I think there was a bit of an edge to their relationship even before Dalglish came to us. With Sir Bob, I think I'm right in saying that he was in charge when Beardsley and Wharton faced that enquiry about bullying academy players, so maybe there's something left over from that. He certainly comes across as bitter in many respects.

 

With Shearer, I'm quite convinced that many people in the game are actually a bit afraid of him. I don't just mean people connected with NUFC who are worried about his influence - I think it's much more widespread. It's journos as well. The guy has a presence about him which makes people very wary of upsetting him.

 

It's weird because at first at Liverpool, Beardsley said Dalglish was great for him. KK advised Pedro to try and double his wages when he joined them (was getting 1200 here) yet Dalglish told him to go for 5K which is what he got, played him a lot, gave him a free role etc. Then he brought Aldridge in and the two fell out, and of course he shipped him out of Newcastle too.

 

Shearer's power seems to be legendary yet no-one will touch on why and how, I know he's well respected because of his achievements, type of player etc. and also because of his character, many times now I've heard or read that he was the most dedicated pro and a top bloke, but there does seem to be a fear, Beresford was very cagey when talking about him, as if he was trying not to say anything bad or disrespectful or anything that could get misconstrued by those in attendance, i.e. anything that could get back to Big Al yet every other name banded about was fair game where taking the piss and spilling a few stories was concerned.

 

Don't understand what you mean about bringing Aldo in,  he was there before Beardsley.

The word down here was that Mrs Beardsley was trying to pick the team, arguing about her husband not always playing. 

That '88 side with Barnes, Aldridge and Beardsley was one of the best Liverpool sides I've seen. 

 

Souness sold Beardsley.

 

[Guest Knightrider]

Some more good stuff, thanks HTT.

 

Beardsley was always getting subbed by Dalglish at Liverpool, so I think there was a bit of an edge to their relationship even before Dalglish came to us. With Sir Bob, I think I'm right in saying that he was in charge when Beardsley and Wharton faced that enquiry about bullying academy players, so maybe there's something left over from that. He certainly comes across as bitter in many respects.

 

With Shearer, I'm quite convinced that many people in the game are actually a bit afraid of him. I don't just mean people connected with NUFC who are worried about his influence - I think it's much more widespread. It's journos as well. The guy has a presence about him which makes people very wary of upsetting him.

 

It's weird because at first at Liverpool, Beardsley said Dalglish was great for him. KK advised Pedro to try and double his wages when he joined them (was getting 1200 here) yet Dalglish told him to go for 5K which is what he got, played him a lot, gave him a free role etc. Then he brought Aldridge in and the two fell out, and of course he shipped him out of Newcastle too.

 

Shearer's power seems to be legendary yet no-one will touch on why and how, I know he's well respected because of his achievements, type of player etc. and also because of his character, many times now I've heard or read that he was the most dedicated pro and a top bloke, but there does seem to be a fear, Beresford was very cagey when talking about him, as if he was trying not to say anything bad or disrespectful or anything that could get misconstrued by those in attendance, i.e. anything that could get back to Big Al yet every other name banded about was fair game where taking the piss and spilling a few stories was concerned.

 

Don't understand what you mean about bringing Aldo in,  he was there before Beardsley.

The word down here was that Mrs Beardsley was trying to pick the team, arguing about her husband not always playing. 

That '88 side with Barnes, Aldridge and Beardsley was one of the best Liverpool sides I've seen. 

 

Souness sold Beardsley.

 

 

Hmmm. I just heard Aldridge's name mentioned. Probably got the wrong end of the stick, must have started picking Aldridge ahead of him then.

[Guest Knightrider]

If Souness got rid of him, that'll be why he seems to despise "the cunt"

[Optimistic Nut]

Think he was spot on about SBR tbh. The points tally we had that season would have had us stumbling around in about 8th or 9th this season. He was saved that season by the fact the likes of Villa & Bolton weren't quite good enough to capitalise.

 

Looking back tho, we finished 3rd and he was given no money pre season to sign and make some improvements to the first team.

 

Hence we finished 5th as all the team above us spent and improved their squads.

 

Yes but teams like Villa & Bolton didn't improve their squads enough to close us down by 15 points did they? We didn't sell anyone that season, so still should have finished 4th comfortably, especially given how sh*t Liverpool were that season as well. Iirc, we were competing with the likes of Charlton & Fulham for much of that season.

 

It was no suprise we finished 5th tho, you have to invest in your team.  SBR was saying that pre season when freddy shepherd was off round the world talking about building a casino in newcastle.

 

If Liverpool had went on to get 70+ points or whatever, then no, 5th wouldn't have been a surprise. But the fact is, we won only 2 or 3 games away from home all that season, dropped silly last minute away wins (Birmingham & Portsmouth spring to mind), as well as some crappy home draws (0-0s with Bolton & Wolves). Even without spending money, wins there, and we finish 4th. SBR's very lucky that Shepherd took the vast majority of the brunt for that season and deflected a lot of the criticism away from him.

[merlin]

Beardsley NOT harsh about SBR - he was quite correct..

Both him AND Bez are right about most of today's team, ESP Geremi - he is well-below what we should have in midfield..

Disagree with Beardlsey about 'just enjoy it, never mind the future'...that has been what was wrong with NUFC over the years, ans successful clubs ALWAYS plan for the future..

Agree with Bez's view of Shearer more than Beardsley's, but the whole thing sounded quite interesting.

Also agree that KK DOES have a ruthless side, and so he should - he probably learned that from Shanks.

 

Even if he was quite right as you put it which I don't think he was at all, I was more bothered about the tone of Beardsley's comments, kind of sneering. I think even he knew he was being a bit tough because he added "don't get me wrong, he did a lot for me and I like the bloke"... but I think something has happened between those two myself as Beardsley did come across as a bitter/cynical person at times about one or two things that were discussed during the evening. Btw Beardsley never mention the finishing 5th season, he referred to the start of the following season, calling it a mess.

 

Regarding their thoughts on Shearer, I thought the fact that both were very careful with their words was telling. I've heard this said many a time that Shearer is one hell of an influential and powerful figure within football, especially at Newcastle, even with the takeover and change of managers. They were ripping the piss out of everyone, including KK, all night, but Shearer.... you can tell he's not to be messed with or taken lightly for some reason.

 

He didn't really have an answer to my brother in law and my question regarding life after KK, didn't seem to want to acknowledge it, I thought he was missing the bigger picture. I even said, look we've had X amount of managers, all failed to live up to KK, this massive figure, its getting to the point that only KK can manage this club, is that dangerous etc. Not the night for a serious debate about that I suppose, one for the forum maybe?

 

Some other things....

 

Said Roeder was a great team-mate, captain, confidante and coach, especially to youngsters, loved the role and everyone loved him, becoming manager changed him however, went to his head and no-one respected him within the dressing room. Should never have been giving the job said Beardsley, none of them bar Dalglish and SBR were good enough for Newcastle. Called Souness a c*** I think and wasn't equally complimentary about Big Sam, said he was a fake basically. Lost his job the day fans shouted you don't know what you're doing, reckoned Beardsley.

 

He's desperate for a role in the academy (Bez calling it criminal), spoke very well about that side of the game in terms of what's going wrong, what's needed and what he would like to see done (room full of coaches and junior club representatives so it struck a chord with many). I dunno like, jobs for boys and all that, and he did say he would struggle to show a kid what he can do as he would rather a kid learned something new and natural by trying it out for themselves rather than have someone break it down and show them, has to be spontaneous and from within. I agreed. He also mentioned how he got knocked back when he was younger, says he always knew he had ability because he could read a pass, but didn't have the physical side to play a pass, was weak in that sense. Very encouraging considering just how f****** good he went on to become.

 

Regarding Oliver, says he's a thorn to NUFC, can't keep his gob shut, will leak a major story in spite of NUFC to be seen as the know it all exclusive reporter which was very telling. Said the Dunne story should never have went to print, could jeopardize the story. I reckon the Dunne link btw is very real and reading between the lines, is happening, maybe this is the renowned player someone behind the scenes reckons we're close to signing, along with some youngsters.

 

The antics of the players and the spirit under KK first time round man

 

Nee wonder they all love him and just why he was so good for us and just why how hard it will be to replicate because you can't buy those things, those moments and times when everything just clicked.

 

Btw, Bez, f****** top bloke, had time for people well before and after the talk in, as he arrived before Pedro I think, a genuine nice down to earth bloke who you get the impression would talk all day long about NUFC and his days here.

 

Best of all though a few quid raised for our young footballers and their clubs in the City.

 

Whatever agenda Beardsley has about SBR , he was, in my opinion , STILL correct in his basic assessment of the situation. SBR should, at his age, have been ASKING the club if he could arrange the managerial succession instead of hanging on without a plan for an orderly change-over ; he could even have brought Mourinho in if this had been done soon enough...

SBR was 66 when he STARTED being the club's manager, and it was the third time Newcastle had asked him to do the job since 1975....did he think he would go on past his 70th birthday? Was he happy with the aggro he was getting from the likes of Dyer ? Surely, he must have realised that things couldn't go on that way..instead, he left himself open to being undermined and eventually sacked, by Shepherd, when he could have either gone with dignity earlier, or moved on to being some sort of Overseas ambassador for the club with his invaluable contacts.

Bobby did a very good job for NUFC in his first 4 years, and should have left it at that - there is NO ROOM FOR SENTIMENTALITY in Football ; ask KK how Shankly used to despatch players from Liverpool when he knew they were reaching the end ; ask SBR himself how he had to ruthlessly sort out the Ipswich dressing room(in one case, physically)when he first took over as  manager...he was past all that kind of stuff when he arrived at SJP.

 

You are fully entitled to your opinion, and have given us a good review of what went on, but the stuff about Shearer being an all-powerful figure - well, this may or may not be true, but all I would say is that IF he one day becomes manager - by no means certain - he can carry this aura around with him as long as he likes PROVIDED he brings success with it..no-one would say that SAF is a nice person, but he WINS THINGS. I couldn't care less how ruthless Shearer is as long as he wins things for NUFC and makes us a feared club ; couldn't care LESS about 'being liked' - if other fans like the way we play, great, if not, tough

s--t, as long as we beat them.

 

We are not in the EPL to win a popularity contest - maybe the Media will realise that one day - we are in it to be successful.

If you don't follow that mantra, you are just there to make up the numbers, and I for one do not want NUFC to be that sort of club.

[Cronky]

The whole issue of Sir Bob's succession was bungled, but you can't blame the guy for not holding up his hand and walking. After all, in the season before, we'd just finished 3rd in the Premiership, and had got to the 2nd phase of the Champions League.

 

It was up to the Chairman to make the tough decisions.

 

The master plan was for Shearer to take over when Sir Bob retired, but for various reasons, that didn't come off. There seemed to be no Plan B.

[Optimistic Nut]

The pre-season before he was sacked his contract was also changed from a one-year rolling contract, to a simple one-year contract. I think every man and his dog knew it was his last season, yet for some reason SBR still says he was surprised he was going to be asked to leave at the end of that season. Question is, why the hell did he sign the new contract then?

[Big Geordie]

I've heard stories in the past of Beardsley's wife being hard work (and that's being kind)

[fredbob]

Whatever agenda Beardsley has about SBR , he was, in my opinion , STILL correct in his basic assessment of the situation. SBR should, at his age, have been ASKING the club if he could arrange the managerial succession instead of hanging on without a plan for an orderly change-over ; he could even have brought Mourinho in if this had been done soon enough...

SBR was 66 when he STARTED being the club's manager, and it was the third time Newcastle had asked him to do the job since 1975....did he think he would go on past his 70th birthday? Was he happy with the aggro he was getting from the likes of Dyer ? Surely, he must have realised that things couldn't go on that way..instead, he left himself open to being undermined and eventually sacked, by Shepherd, when he could have either gone with dignity earlier, or moved on to being some sort of Overseas ambassador for the club with his invaluable contacts.

Bobby did a very good job for NUFC in his first 4 years, and should have left it at that - there is NO ROOM FOR SENTIMENTALITY in Football ; ask KK how Shankly used to despatch players from Liverpool when he knew they were reaching the end ; ask SBR himself how he had to ruthlessly sort out the Ipswich dressing room(in one case, physically)when he first took over as  manager...he was past all that kind of stuff when he arrived at SJP.

 

You are fully entitled to your opinion, and have given us a good review of what went on, but the stuff about Shearer being an all-powerful figure - well, this may or may not be true, but all I would say is that IF he one day becomes manager - by no means certain - he can carry this aura around with him as long as he likes PROVIDED he brings success with it..no-one would say that SAF is a nice person, but he WINS THINGS. I couldn't care less how ruthless Shearer is as long as he wins things for NUFC and makes us a feared club ; couldn't care LESS about 'being liked' - if other fans like the way we play, great, if not, tough

s--t, as long as we beat them.

 

We are not in the EPL to win a popularity contest - maybe the Media will realise that one day - we are in it to be successful.

If you don't follow that mantra, you are just there to make up the numbers, and I for one do not want NUFC to be that sort of club.

 

I disagree somewhat with your assessment of SBR final moments at the club, i just think theres a hell of a lot of supposition in what you are saying (i.e the cracks appeared he was old and losing the dressing room, we were bound to fail) and a fair bit of discrimination of his age, i think if he was 20 years younges and was having the same problems but similar success then i cant help but think the crowd would of stuck by the manager more than they did, instead his age was used as a stick to beat him with, despite the fact his record stood at steering us to 4,3 and 5th all in his late 60's.

 

I agree that there may of been an air of stubborness from the man, it seemed clear that he felt he had unfinished business with the club and felt he hadnt taken them as far as he could, and in my opinion, he could of taken us further, he had an incredibly poor season by his standards yet still finihsed 5th, this was after a season where he wasnt backed so after the high of getting a 3rd position finihs the season before to dropping to 5th the following season with the dterimental loss of a CL place he was unceremoniuously shown the door after all he had done.

 

I dont know of another man who i would of trusted to turn it around, he was constantly undermined under his tenureship and had key players like Speed sold without his knowledge, something which effected the team somewhat in hindsight.

 

Maybe theres an argument to say that his stubborness would of meant that he would of held on longer than would of been healthy for the club, but i dont think for one second it was fair, or even clever to sack him after the poorseason he had, there was no footballing reason to sack SBR, losing out on CL for 2 years was a major blow but we had an impressive run in the UEFA cup the season before having failed to qualify for the group stages and had also qualified again for the UEFA cup again, where maybe we would of started as favourites for the entire competition.

 

It was a ridiculous sacking without the benefit of hindisght and a sacking in ridiculous circumstances. Something that i think this club paid for massively, some say that the apoointment of Souness was what damaged us the most, but i think those people need to ask themselves if there was a manager out there, better than SBR who would of taken the job after the manner of his sacking. Even the fact that he wasnt backed after his 3rd place finish, would of been a major sticking point in many managers eyes.

 

He should of been given at least one more year to prove that the club wasnt about implode, every top manager has a poor season, Fergie has, Wenger has, Benitez has as well, Moyes has, every single one, and yet they are given the benefit why wasnt SBR given the same benfit....because of his age, ridiculous.

[Guest alex]

Apparently Pedro knew when he wasn't playing before the team was read out because Ronnie Moran couldn't look him in the eye.

[Shearergol]

Apparently Pedro knew when he wasn't playing before the team was read out because Ronnie Moran couldn't look him in the eye.

 

Family friend of yours isn't he?

[Guest alex]

Apparently Pedro knew when he wasn't playing before the team was read out because Ronnie Moran couldn't look him in the eye.

 

Family friend of yours isn't he?

My Dad knows him and I've met him. My Dad is good mates with his brother.