Taylor Pulls Out Of U21

[Guest Heneage]

Thank you, a good pun I thought. 

 

Tbh, I think bolton haven't changed style at all, what is a 3-1 win against Stoke for a yard-stick? They are far from attacking despite Elmander, and on top of that, as much as they are taller, I rarely see Nolan win headers, its not always about height look at Crouch and Shola for example, we'll just keep it on the deck, they still lack any real quality in the middle of the park, their signings like Muamba arent know for their craft.

 

[Tooj]

I didn't say Cacapa is all that good or anything, I'm just saying given our options him and Coloccini together should do alright despite their height.

 

Think Cacapa is borderline useless, but think he should be ok against Bolton since we'll be doing most of the attacking.

 

Also, everyone deserves a second chance. I'm feeling generous.

 

 

Exactly. Taylor's had more than enough after his blunders.

 

To be fair I always thought John Terry was lucky that he had players like Desailly, Lebouef, Duberry() to learn his trade from.

 

Whereas Taylor had to contend with Boumsong, Bramble, Obrien, Ronny Johnsen, etc etc.

 

Sincerely think that Coloccini will have a major impact on his development.

 

You could say O'Brien etc had Taylor alongside them so it hindered their development tbf. As when they played alongside Woodgate they look decent.

 

Obrien was always going to be an average-to-good(decent) defender. Didnt possess the natural abilities or leadership qualities that Taylor has.

 

On the other hand Taylor's problems are more positional and his lack of experience, which he will learn by having the benefit of someone like Coloccini or Woodgate alongside him.

 

Over 100 games now for the first team btw.

 

Get the feeling that you're arguing for argument's sake and to imply that Obrien's development was stunted by playing alongside Taylor suggests to me that you're simply on a windup.

 

100 games alongside the shower of shite we had as defenders (boumsong bramble babayaro carr obrien etc), battling against relegation, playing LB RB and CB. And still only 22 as well. Need I say more?

 

Half that number of games with Woody he'd be freaking Beckenbauer (ok exaggerating here) by now.

 

So you're saying playing overt 100 games isn't experienced? That was my point that you can't say he's no longer inexperienced.

[Liam Liam Liam O]

I didn't say Cacapa is all that good or anything, I'm just saying given our options him and Coloccini together should do alright despite their height.

 

Think Cacapa is borderline useless, but think he should be ok against Bolton since we'll be doing most of the attacking.

 

Also, everyone deserves a second chance. I'm feeling generous.

 

 

Exactly. Taylor's had more than enough after his blunders.

 

To be fair I always thought John Terry was lucky that he had players like Desailly, Lebouef, Duberry() to learn his trade from.

 

Whereas Taylor had to contend with Boumsong, Bramble, Obrien, Ronny Johnsen, etc etc.

 

Sincerely think that Coloccini will have a major impact on his development.

 

You could say O'Brien etc had Taylor alongside them so it hindered their development tbf. As when they played alongside Woodgate they look decent.

 

Obrien was always going to be an average-to-good(decent) defender. Didnt possess the natural abilities or leadership qualities that Taylor has.

 

On the other hand Taylor's problems are more positional and his lack of experience, which he will learn by having the benefit of someone like Coloccini or Woodgate alongside him.

 

Over 100 games now for the first team btw.

 

Get the feeling that you're arguing for argument's sake and to imply that Obrien's development was stunted by playing alongside Taylor suggests to me that you're simply on a windup.

 

100 games alongside the shower of shite we had as defenders (boumsong bramble babayaro carr obrien etc), battling against relegation, playing LB RB and CB. And still only 22 as well. Need I say more?

 

Half that number of games with Woody he'd be freaking Beckenbauer (ok exaggerating here) by now.

 

So you're saying playing overt 100 games isn't experienced? That was my point that you can't say he's no longer inexperienced.

 

Is there a double negative in there somewhere?

[Tooj]

It's true though. The inexperienced excuse no longer washes.

[Dokko]

I didn't say Cacapa is all that good or anything, I'm just saying given our options him and Coloccini together should do alright despite their height.

 

Think Cacapa is borderline useless, but think he should be ok against Bolton since we'll be doing most of the attacking.

 

Also, everyone deserves a second chance. I'm feeling generous.

 

 

Exactly. Taylor's had more than enough after his blunders.

 

To be fair I always thought John Terry was lucky that he had players like Desailly, Lebouef, Duberry() to learn his trade from.

 

Whereas Taylor had to contend with Boumsong, Bramble, Obrien, Ronny Johnsen, etc etc.

 

Sincerely think that Coloccini will have a major impact on his development.

 

You could say O'Brien etc had Taylor alongside them so it hindered their development tbf. As when they played alongside Woodgate they look decent.

 

Obrien was always going to be an average-to-good(decent) defender. Didnt possess the natural abilities or leadership qualities that Taylor has.

 

On the other hand Taylor's problems are more positional and his lack of experience, which he will learn by having the benefit of someone like Coloccini or Woodgate alongside him.

 

Over 100 games now for the first team btw.

 

Get the feeling that you're arguing for argument's sake and to imply that Obrien's development was stunted by playing alongside Taylor suggests to me that you're simply on a windup.

 

100 games alongside the shower of shite we had as defenders (boumsong bramble babayaro carr obrien etc), battling against relegation, playing LB RB and CB. And still only 22 as well. Need I say more?

 

Half that number of games with Woody he'd be freaking Beckenbauer (ok exaggerating here) by now.

 

So you're saying playing overt 100 games isn't experienced? That was my point that you can't say he's no longer inexperienced.

 

100 games of negative, inconsistent, disorganised, shambolic football, with multiple partners none which have been any good and with managers who've taken the club backwards.

 

 

[mrmojorisin75]

I didn't say Cacapa is all that good or anything, I'm just saying given our options him and Coloccini together should do alright despite their height.

 

Think Cacapa is borderline useless, but think he should be ok against Bolton since we'll be doing most of the attacking.

 

Also, everyone deserves a second chance. I'm feeling generous.

 

 

Exactly. Taylor's had more than enough after his blunders.

 

To be fair I always thought John Terry was lucky that he had players like Desailly, Lebouef, Duberry() to learn his trade from.

 

Whereas Taylor had to contend with Boumsong, Bramble, Obrien, Ronny Johnsen, etc etc.

 

Sincerely think that Coloccini will have a major impact on his development.

 

You could say O'Brien etc had Taylor alongside them so it hindered their development tbf. As when they played alongside Woodgate they look decent.

 

Obrien was always going to be an average-to-good(decent) defender. Didnt possess the natural abilities or leadership qualities that Taylor has.

 

On the other hand Taylor's problems are more positional and his lack of experience, which he will learn by having the benefit of someone like Coloccini or Woodgate alongside him.

 

Over 100 games now for the first team btw.

 

Get the feeling that you're arguing for argument's sake and to imply that Obrien's development was stunted by playing alongside Taylor suggests to me that you're simply on a windup.

 

100 games alongside the shower of shite we had as defenders (boumsong bramble babayaro carr obrien etc), battling against relegation, playing LB RB and CB. And still only 22 as well. Need I say more?

 

Half that number of games with Woody he'd be freaking Beckenbauer (ok exaggerating here) by now.

 

So you're saying playing overt 100 games isn't experienced? That was my point that you can't say he's no longer inexperienced.

 

100 games of negative, inconsistent, disorganised, shambolic football, with multiple partners none which have been any good and with managers who've taken the club backwards.

 

 

 

i'm with TT here, said before he's got plenty of the raw materials to make a good, maybe a very good defender, but he's reached the age/experience level now where he just needs a good settled defence to play in

 

if he's still making ricks then we'll know where we are

[Tooj]

I didn't say Cacapa is all that good or anything, I'm just saying given our options him and Coloccini together should do alright despite their height.

 

Think Cacapa is borderline useless, but think he should be ok against Bolton since we'll be doing most of the attacking.

 

Also, everyone deserves a second chance. I'm feeling generous.

 

 

Exactly. Taylor's had more than enough after his blunders.

 

To be fair I always thought John Terry was lucky that he had players like Desailly, Lebouef, Duberry() to learn his trade from.

 

Whereas Taylor had to contend with Boumsong, Bramble, Obrien, Ronny Johnsen, etc etc.

 

Sincerely think that Coloccini will have a major impact on his development.

 

You could say O'Brien etc had Taylor alongside them so it hindered their development tbf. As when they played alongside Woodgate they look decent.

 

Obrien was always going to be an average-to-good(decent) defender. Didnt possess the natural abilities or leadership qualities that Taylor has.

 

On the other hand Taylor's problems are more positional and his lack of experience, which he will learn by having the benefit of someone like Coloccini or Woodgate alongside him.

 

Over 100 games now for the first team btw.

 

Get the feeling that you're arguing for argument's sake and to imply that Obrien's development was stunted by playing alongside Taylor suggests to me that you're simply on a windup.

 

100 games alongside the shower of shite we had as defenders (boumsong bramble babayaro carr obrien etc), battling against relegation, playing LB RB and CB. And still only 22 as well. Need I say more?

 

Half that number of games with Woody he'd be freaking Beckenbauer (ok exaggerating here) by now.

 

So you're saying playing overt 100 games isn't experienced? That was my point that you can't say he's no longer inexperienced.

 

100 games of negative, inconsistent, disorganised, shambolic football, with multiple partners none which have been any good and with managers who've taken the club backwards.

 

 

 

He's still not inexperienced. Of which was my original point.

[Dokko]

I didn't say Cacapa is all that good or anything, I'm just saying given our options him and Coloccini together should do alright despite their height.

 

Think Cacapa is borderline useless, but think he should be ok against Bolton since we'll be doing most of the attacking.

 

Also, everyone deserves a second chance. I'm feeling generous.

 

 

Exactly. Taylor's had more than enough after his blunders.

 

To be fair I always thought John Terry was lucky that he had players like Desailly, Lebouef, Duberry() to learn his trade from.

 

Whereas Taylor had to contend with Boumsong, Bramble, Obrien, Ronny Johnsen, etc etc.

 

Sincerely think that Coloccini will have a major impact on his development.

 

You could say O'Brien etc had Taylor alongside them so it hindered their development tbf. As when they played alongside Woodgate they look decent.

 

Obrien was always going to be an average-to-good(decent) defender. Didnt possess the natural abilities or leadership qualities that Taylor has.

 

On the other hand Taylor's problems are more positional and his lack of experience, which he will learn by having the benefit of someone like Coloccini or Woodgate alongside him.

 

Over 100 games now for the first team btw.

 

Get the feeling that you're arguing for argument's sake and to imply that Obrien's development was stunted by playing alongside Taylor suggests to me that you're simply on a windup.

 

100 games alongside the shower of shite we had as defenders (boumsong bramble babayaro carr obrien etc), battling against relegation, playing LB RB and CB. And still only 22 as well. Need I say more?

 

Half that number of games with Woody he'd be freaking Beckenbauer (ok exaggerating here) by now.

 

So you're saying playing overt 100 games isn't experienced? That was my point that you can't say he's no longer inexperienced.

 

100 games of negative, inconsistent, disorganised, shambolic football, with multiple partners none which have been any good and with managers who've taken the club backwards.

 

 

 

He's still not inexperienced. Of which was my original point.

 

But his experiences have been tough to learn from, which has always been my point. Had he been settled in a proper fully working club like Arsenal with a manager with a brain and players around him with quality, he'd be England capped by now.

 

 

[Tooj]

He's still not inexperienced though.

[Guest Heneage]

He;s gotten bad habits from bad partners.

[Guest Pie]

I didn't say Cacapa is all that good or anything, I'm just saying given our options him and Coloccini together should do alright despite their height.

 

Think Cacapa is borderline useless, but think he should be ok against Bolton since we'll be doing most of the attacking.

 

Also, everyone deserves a second chance. I'm feeling generous.

 

 

Exactly. Taylor's had more than enough after his blunders.

 

To be fair I always thought John Terry was lucky that he had players like Desailly, Lebouef, Duberry() to learn his trade from.

 

Whereas Taylor had to contend with Boumsong, Bramble, Obrien, Ronny Johnsen, etc etc.

 

Sincerely think that Coloccini will have a major impact on his development.

 

You could say O'Brien etc had Taylor alongside them so it hindered their development tbf. As when they played alongside Woodgate they look decent.

 

Obrien was always going to be an average-to-good(decent) defender. Didnt possess the natural abilities or leadership qualities that Taylor has.

 

On the other hand Taylor's problems are more positional and his lack of experience, which he will learn by having the benefit of someone like Coloccini or Woodgate alongside him.

 

Over 100 games now for the first team btw.

 

Get the feeling that you're arguing for argument's sake and to imply that Obrien's development was stunted by playing alongside Taylor suggests to me that you're simply on a windup.

 

100 games alongside the shower of shite we had as defenders (boumsong bramble babayaro carr obrien etc), battling against relegation, playing LB RB and CB. And still only 22 as well. Need I say more?

 

Half that number of games with Woody he'd be freaking Beckenbauer (ok exaggerating here) by now.

 

So you're saying playing overt 100 games isn't experienced? That was my point that you can't say he's no longer inexperienced.

 

100 games of negative, inconsistent, disorganised, shambolic football, with multiple partners none which have been any good and with managers who've taken the club backwards.

 

 

So it's everyone elses fault he has dropped so many clangers?