Sunderland could be the next Leeds United ?

[NE5]

their not just paying slightly over the odds though.

 

dont get me wrong, i think sunderland have improved, but i just cant see them being able to match that level of investment next year while still paying for this lot.

 

How do you know how much their owners will be willing to splash next season? From what they've done this transfer window I would suggest it's pretty clear they have set their sights high and are willing to invest accordingly.

 

Oh, and didn't they spend a lot last season as well, only the level of player they could attract was lower because they had only just come up and were prime candidates to go down. As they continue to progress they will be able to attract a higher profile of player, and seeing as they've spent big in every major transfer window since their takeover I would like to know what makes you think it will stop soon?

 

we'll see. maybe they'll be able to match it next year maybe not, but the year after, and the one after that?

 

we may well be hampered in our spending because we're giving a lot of very average players a lot of money, but what happens when they want to replace the ferdinands, the malbranques and the dioufs (who are not brilliant players, although they are good) and find they dont want to go because they are being paid 60K a week a piece and no one will pay them that much. they don't have a bottomless pit of money.

 

still clinging to this cliche-driven drivel that has been used for ages to undermine certain personalities - who had a damn sight more idea than you care to admit, or are too dumb to realise.

 

Fact is, the mackems themselves are one of the biggest clubs in the country, and if they get their act together are just as capable as us of continuing and improving a good situation if they create one and getting in among the other top clubs.

 

After all, they are now following their example, instead of scratting around the lower leagues and free transfer market for bargains. Co-incidentally, our own rise when we moved ahead of them followed exactly the same change in policy that they have now adopted, rather than one adopted by a club like pompey who spend decades in the lower leagues then get lucky for a year or two.

If you don't get it by now, you never will.

 

Unbelievabe. I would have thought the actions of Keegan over the last day or two would have woken people like you  up at last.

 

 

 

you can hide behind phrases like "cliche driven drivel" and that last sentance if you want, but its not going to change my point of view. i dont think sunderland's business plan is going to work, and i think they'll run out of money in 2-3 years, if they continue with their current stragtegy. thats my point of view and its not going to change. maybe i'm wrong but we wont find out for another 2 years and you certainly dont know the answer.

 

 

Well, I'll tell you something else. If Mike Ashley is still owner of the club in 2 years time, and doesn't change his attitude, neither will we.

 

But, as has been said "spending money doesn't guarantee success but it improves your chances" and if the mackems are more prepared to speculate than us, they have a damn sight better chance of succeeding.

 

Have you actually been in this world and saw how they have performed for the last 20 years with a chairman who "put the business first"

 

Which has been pretty much exactly the same as NUFC were for previous decades ourselves..........

 

 

their chairman didn't put business first. they outspent us a few times on s***,peyter reid spent a lot.

 

 

the plan is if you spend ,spend clever,if you spend and go backwards often, you are doing it wrong.

 

Please tell us how many times we qualified for europe and how many times we didn't ?

 

And also tell us how many clubs attracted more supporters through the gates ?

 

Then tell us how many of those paid their money to a club they considered was going backwards ?

 

Then tell us what you think of Mike Ashleys ticket sales policy, and how many are going through the gates ?

 

 

please tell me if we looked like qualifying for europe under souness,roeder and allardyce ? were we progressing ? or going backwards ?

 

 

HELLO...HELLO...HELLO...HELLO.........thought not.

 

Funnily I seem to remember we did actually qualify for Europe in that period? Must have been dreaming I guess.

 

precisely, but in madras' little world, we didn't.

 

 

via the intertoto.

 

were we as a club going backwards under souness,roeder and allardyce ?

 

even the 7th under roeder had us really going backwards were you happy with him ?

 

whats wrong with qualifying for the intertoto ? Did we qualify last season via the intertoto ?

 

We won this competion once, and qualified by finishing 10th.

 

You will never get it. A board with ambition can always overcome making a mistake with a manager, or even 2, but a board without ambition is a permanent dead duck. You're becoming a waste of time.

 

 

and you'll never get it...they didn't show ambition in appointing allardyce,souness and roeder.

 

do you still advocate spending whatever we can get our hands on and worrying about it later ?

 

I've never said that at all.

 

You're a waste of time. I'm pleased for you that you still think qualifying for europe is failure, yet think that Mike Ashley has his finger on the pulse ........

 

You just couldn't make this up if you tried.

 

 

well who said

Its not the way to run an ambitious football club, the only way to success is to buy the quality players when they are available and worry about balancing the books later.

 

of course, but that isn't saying "whatever you can get your hands on". Its about paying the bit extra to get your man if you have to, and getting him in before selling if necessary. Only the small clubs operate a "sell to buy" but people have been advocating it without realising it.

 

I think you know what I mean 

[madras]

NE5.......(that pyramids getting on my nreves a bit) it's the "worry about balancing the books later" bit that worries me.

 

you can only do it for so long then it will catch up to you. i'm also thinking on a more general level that the window was quite quiet across the board as clubs struggled to get credit.