Optimistic Nut Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 What difference does it make when it was? Stats are stats. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 I've personally been a touch dissapointed with him this season, his stats compared with Routledge's makes for fairly damning reading, especially considering where Wayne was till Jan. You can use stats to prove anything though. 2003-4 season, Nolan 9 goals and 2 assists, Rooney 9 goals and 3 assists. Rooney went on to star for England that summer and earned a big-money move. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 What difference does it make when it was? Stats are stats. I fail to see the significance of those stats, Nolan was a better player than he is now and Rooney was 17/18 in a poor Everton side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 Rooney was 17-18 just months away from starring at Euro 2004. I'd still bet Rooney's performances for Everton that season were better than Nolan's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 I see what you were getting at. You've probably seen a few games, who's been better since Routledge arrived? No comparison for me, he's been an absolute breath of fresh air. The stats in this case tell the true story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 Since Routledge joined in January he has looked a far more effective player than Jonas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 Far more suited to english football, which somewhat disproves the notion about physicality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 In terms of an end product then Routledge. Still think people don't appreciate enough what Jonas gives though by being able to carry a ball 50-60 yards from deep inside his own half to win a throw-in, corner, free-kick, etc. in a dangerous position. Also his game helps get the best out of Jose Enrique further forward (and vice versa). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 The Enrique/Jonas combination feels a lot like watching Baines/Pienaar in terms of how they work together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 got to move away from a standard 4-4-2 to get the best out of him and get more movement in the team. one of the two in a 4-3-2-1 would suit him. even in the 3 if the right players wetre with him. edit...also think it would get the best out of jose aswell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 got to move away from a standard 4-4-2 to get the best out of him and get more movement in the team. one of the two in a 4-3-2-1 would suit him. even in the 3 if the right players wetre with him. edit...also think it would get the best out of jose aswell. In which case it boils down once again to your central midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 got to move away from a standard 4-4-2 to get the best out of him and get more movement in the team. one of the two in a 4-3-2-1 would suit him. even in the 3 if the right players wetre with him. edit...also think it would get the best out of jose aswell. In which case it boils down once again to your central midfield. it always does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 In terms of an end product then Routledge. Still think people don't appreciate enough what Jonas gives though by being able to carry a ball 50-60 yards from deep inside his own half to win a throw-in, corner, free-kick, etc. in a dangerous position. Also his game helps get the best out of Jose Enrique further forward (and vice versa). Yet his end product is still poor. Don't expect to see him tearing through Premiership defences next season. Sure, Hughton has got the best out of players this season but you've got to take the difference in the standard of football into consideration. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 As I said a few days ago, if Jonas had the end product we wanted, he'd be at a top Champions League club valued at £20m+. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 As I said a few days ago, if Jonas had the end product we wanted, he'd be at a top Champions League club valued at £20m+. he did have in spain when he was the main supply line for that mallorca forward who went to turkey....guido or guiso or somesuch. i just dont think he's an authadox winger (like ginola wasn't). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 As I said a few days ago, if Jonas had the end product we wanted, he'd be at a top Champions League club valued at £20m+. But he doesn't ... which is why we should sign Ambrose/Adam and go for someone like Wilshere on loan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
QBG Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 As I said a few days ago, if Jonas had the end product we wanted, he'd be at a top Champions League club valued at £20m+. But he doesn't ... which is why we should sign Ambrose/Adam and go for someone like Wilshere on loan. Ambrose yes, Adam no, he'd be fucking terrible in the Premiership. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 As I said a few days ago, if Jonas had the end product we wanted, he'd be at a top Champions League club valued at £20m+. But he doesn't ... which is why we should sign Ambrose/Adam and go for someone like Wilshere on loan. Ambrose over Jonas??? Heard it all now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 Yet his end product is still poor. Don't expect to see him tearing through Premiership defences next season. Sure, Hughton has got the best out of players this season but you've got to take the difference in the standard of football into consideration. I do expect to see Jonas tearing through Premiership defences if he's up for it and still here, he's got excellent close ball control and balance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 He will and should be our first choice LM next season. But, i feel we really, really need another two wingers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 Yet his end product is still poor. Don't expect to see him tearing through Premiership defences next season. Sure, Hughton has got the best out of players this season but you've got to take the difference in the standard of football into consideration. I do expect to see Jonas tearing through Premiership defences if he's up for it and still here, he's got excellent close ball control and balance. a bit of this. it's felt like this season has been one long friendly for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 He will and should be our first choice LM next season. But, i feel we really, really need another two wingers. I wouldn't disagree but we have higher priorities, central midfield and up front need a major upgrade if we're to stay up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 Darren Ambrose would be a good signing. Good cover for both wings and an option through the centre. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 Darren Ambrose would be a good signing. Good cover for both wings and an option through the centre. i just don't think he has enough for the prem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted May 2, 2010 Share Posted May 2, 2010 a bit of this. it's felt like this season has been one long friendly for him. I don't think any of our players have had me off my seat more than Jonas this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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