Llambias Q&A with Chronicle: OP updated with Thursday's articles

[Guest toonlass]

NE5, can you post a link to the answer you gave about Shepherd leading us back to the Champions League because I can't find it.

 

the Halls and Shepherd ran the club, not Shepherd, and my reply is quite clear.

 

You can ask mandiarse to respond now.

 

 

 

Ok, well lets say Shepherd had bought the club, and not Ashley. Would he have led the club back to Champions League? I answered your question about the Magpie group so its your turn to answer mine.

 

but he hasn't bought the club, and he never owned it. The Halls AND Shepherd, on the other hand, DID. And have been the best owners in the last 50 years by far.

 

 

 

So had Ashley not bought the club where do you think we would be now. I reckon more or less in the same league position.

[NE5]

If you're not telling a brazen lie, it would be easy to prove me wrong by linking to your "answer".

 

But you can't, because you haven't answered it.

 

Honest, it's like dealing with a five-year-old.

 

For the last time. If you back your managers and have a big fanbase like we do, then you can qualify for the Champions League, they had proved they knew how to do it.

 

So. In accordance with your prediction which is in my sig, do you think Ashley will do better or even match them, and do you think that an unbacked Joe Kinnear is more qualified to do it than a backed manager who has won 4 titles with 2 different clubs and 3 manager of the year awards.

 

A 4 year old could answer this.

 

 

it's a lottery though isn't it so appointing a manager with those credentials is pointless...no ?

 

Well, Chelsea thought they had a sure fire winner when they appointed Phil Scolari, unfortunately its only us who appoint managers that don't succeed isn't it ? Maybe we should have stuck with Ardiles, and not built up the support that led to the bigger spending and the debts .......

 

 

 

no. you appoint the best manager you can (do souness or roeder,allardyce or kinnear fall into this bracket ?), it will not always work out ,just like with players but i'll bet you don't look on players that way. a certainty it aint but it aint a lottery either.

 

honest and straight forward answer,fancy giving it a go (both of you) ?

 

 

well, if isn't a bit of a lottery, on that basis, what would YOU call it ?

 

 

bit of a lottery ? what does that mean ? when did you sneak the "bit" in ?

 

a lottery would mean you may aswell choose anyone at random as opposed to using your judgemnt to get what you consider to be the best available. alex ferguson has bought some duffers in his time, does that mean buying players  is a lottery ? no it means his judgement isn't infallable however the better managers get things right more than the poor managers.

 

so you admit that you can apply certain criteria which might work but equally might not work, making it very difficult even bordering on the impossible to get the 2 or 3 winning managers every time that all the other pesky clubs are also trying to find before we do ?

 

So what would you call it, exactly ?

 

 

[Mick]

 

So had Ashley not bought the club where do you think we would be now. I reckon more or less in the same league position.

 

I'm not sure how we would have been in the same position as we would have had to find cash to pay our debts as Ashley wouldn't have been around to give us a loan.  Even though we've virtually broke even on transfers or made a slight profit, Ashley has paid the bills.

[NE5]

NE5, can you post a link to the answer you gave about Shepherd leading us back to the Champions League because I can't find it.

 

the Halls and Shepherd ran the club, not Shepherd, and my reply is quite clear.

 

You can ask mandiarse to respond now.

 

 

 

Ok, well lets say Shepherd had bought the club, and not Ashley. Would he have led the club back to Champions League? I answered your question about the Magpie group so its your turn to answer mine.

 

but he hasn't bought the club, and he never owned it. The Halls AND Shepherd, on the other hand, DID. And have been the best owners in the last 50 years by far.

 

 

 

So had Ashley not bought the club where do you think we would be now. I reckon more or less in the same league position.

 

no I don't think so. I don't doubt for a moment that the old regime would have taken far more positive steps to even avoid relegation than Ashley has done, never mind try to stave of this so called "mediocrity" [for those who haven't seen it yet].

 

 

 

 

[NE5]

 

have you any proof that they weren't ie that they were daft enough to leave millions completely in the hands of someone else with less shares having previously been partners ?

 

Daft idea isn't it  mackems.gif

 

See my sig' for the only comment on a major decision that I could find. 

 

 

Well, thats not very observant of you, as I've posted a comment by his son a couple of times, one in response to you, which suggests something slightly different. Still, you don't have much of a track record regrarding seeing things that don't suit your opinion.

 

 

[Guest fading star]

 

So had Ashley not bought the club where do you think we would be now. I reckon more or less in the same league position.

 

I'm not sure how we would have been in the same position as we would have had to find cash to pay our debts as Ashley wouldn't have been around to give us a loan.  Even though we've virtually broke even on transfers or made a slight profit, Ashley has paid the bills.

how much of our debt had to be repaid immediately?

 

[madras]

If you're not telling a brazen lie, it would be easy to prove me wrong by linking to your "answer".

 

But you can't, because you haven't answered it.

 

Honest, it's like dealing with a five-year-old.

 

For the last time. If you back your managers and have a big fanbase like we do, then you can qualify for the Champions League, they had proved they knew how to do it.

 

So. In accordance with your prediction which is in my sig, do you think Ashley will do better or even match them, and do you think that an unbacked Joe Kinnear is more qualified to do it than a backed manager who has won 4 titles with 2 different clubs and 3 manager of the year awards.

 

A 4 year old could answer this.

 

 

it's a lottery though isn't it so appointing a manager with those credentials is pointless...no ?

 

Well, Chelsea thought they had a sure fire winner when they appointed Phil Scolari, unfortunately its only us who appoint managers that don't succeed isn't it ? Maybe we should have stuck with Ardiles, and not built up the support that led to the bigger spending and the debts .......

 

 

 

no. you appoint the best manager you can (do souness or roeder,allardyce or kinnear fall into this bracket ?), it will not always work out ,just like with players but i'll bet you don't look on players that way. a certainty it aint but it aint a lottery either.

 

honest and straight forward answer,fancy giving it a go (both of you) ?

 

 

well, if isn't a bit of a lottery, on that basis, what would YOU call it ?

 

 

bit of a lottery ? what does that mean ? when did you sneak the "bit" in ?

 

a lottery would mean you may aswell choose anyone at random as opposed to using your judgemnt to get what you consider to be the best available. alex ferguson has bought some duffers in his time, does that mean buying players  is a lottery ? no it means his judgement isn't infallable however the better managers get things right more than the poor managers.

 

so you admit that you can apply certain criteria which might work but equally might not work, making it very difficult even bordering on the impossible to get the 2 or 3 winning managers every time that all the other pesky clubs are also trying to find before we do ?

 

So what would you call it, exactly ?

 

 

i'd call it judgement. and it's not "equally" at all. if it were you shouldn't complain about the players this regime have brought in for exactly the same reason.

 

it's not even a question of the 2 or 3 winning managers as the poor quality of what they appointed. think of your reaction when sunderland appointed wilkinson. did you think hey that might work out or did you chuckle to yourself ?

 

now then, care to answer if you should keep on borrowing indefinitly while already making losses till either you achieve success or go bankrupt ?

 

 

shall i help your reply.just type A.B or C.

 

A) you'll never compete without spending bigger than we are (this doesn't answer my question)

 

B) the succesful clubs have debt (we've covered this and it doesn't answer my question)

 

C) we have a fan base big enough to be spending more (doesn't answer my question as we are making a loss)

[madras]

 

have you any proof that they weren't ie that they were daft enough to leave millions completely in the hands of someone else with less shares having previously been partners ?

 

Daft idea isn't it  mackems.gif

 

See my sig' for the only comment on a major decision that I could find. 

 

 

Well, thats not very observant of you, as I've posted a comment by his son a couple of times, one in response to you, which suggests something slightly different. Still, you don't have much of a track record regrarding seeing things that don't suit your opinion.

 

 

oh the irony

[Guest toonlass]

NE5, can you post a link to the answer you gave about Shepherd leading us back to the Champions League because I can't find it.

 

the Halls and Shepherd ran the club, not Shepherd, and my reply is quite clear.

 

You can ask mandiarse to respond now.

 

 

 

Ok, well lets say Shepherd had bought the club, and not Ashley. Would he have led the club back to Champions League? I answered your question about the Magpie group so its your turn to answer mine.

 

but he hasn't bought the club, and he never owned it. The Halls AND Shepherd, on the other hand, DID. And have been the best owners in the last 50 years by far.

 

 

 

So had Ashley not bought the club where do you think we would be now. I reckon more or less in the same league position.

 

no I don't think so. I don't doubt for a moment that the old regime would have taken far more positive steps to even avoid relegation than Ashley has done, never mind try to stave of this so called "mediocrity" [for those who haven't seen it yet].

 

 

 

 

 

Where do you think the money would have come for to pay for these "positive steps"? We were mortgaged up to the hilt as it was.

[Guest fading star]

NE5, can you post a link to the answer you gave about Shepherd leading us back to the Champions League because I can't find it.

 

the Halls and Shepherd ran the club, not Shepherd, and my reply is quite clear.

 

You can ask mandiarse to respond now.

 

 

 

Ok, well lets say Shepherd had bought the club, and not Ashley. Would he have led the club back to Champions League? I answered your question about the Magpie group so its your turn to answer mine.

 

but he hasn't bought the club, and he never owned it. The Halls AND Shepherd, on the other hand, DID. And have been the best owners in the last 50 years by far.

 

 

 

So had Ashley not bought the club where do you think we would be now. I reckon more or less in the same league position.

 

no I don't think so. I don't doubt for a moment that the old regime would have taken far more positive steps to even avoid relegation than Ashley has done, never mind try to stave of this so called "mediocrity" [for those who haven't seen it yet].

 

 

 

 

 

Where do you think the money would have come for to pay for these "positive steps"? We were mortgaged up to the hilt as it was.

The extra TV money. Advance season ticket deals.  Third party investment. A share flotation. Increasing season ticket prices. Selling the naming rights for the Gallowgate would have raised few million. Not sacking Big Sam another £6m. Not appointing a director of football a million a year. Not sacking Keegan £8m. Then there’s extra incoming money for finishing higher up the table, and the better ticket sales that came with better results.

 

You have to remember that we’ve spent nothing on new players since Ashley took over. Finding £25-30m for squad strengthening over a couple of season shouldn’t be that difficult for a well established business with a large and loyal ’customer base’.

[indi]

NE5, can you post a link to the answer you gave about Shepherd leading us back to the Champions League because I can't find it.

 

the Halls and Shepherd ran the club, not Shepherd, and my reply is quite clear.

 

You can ask mandiarse to respond now.

 

 

 

Ok, well lets say Shepherd had bought the club, and not Ashley. Would he have led the club back to Champions League? I answered your question about the Magpie group so its your turn to answer mine.

 

but he hasn't bought the club, and he never owned it. The Halls AND Shepherd, on the other hand, DID. And have been the best owners in the last 50 years by far.

 

 

 

So had Ashley not bought the club where do you think we would be now. I reckon more or less in the same league position.

 

no I don't think so. I don't doubt for a moment that the old regime would have taken far more positive steps to even avoid relegation than Ashley has done, never mind try to stave of this so called "mediocrity" [for those who haven't seen it yet].

 

 

 

 

 

Where do you think the money would have come for to pay for these "positive steps"? We were mortgaged up to the hilt as it was.

The extra TV money. Advance season ticket deals.  Third party investment. A share flotation. Increasing season ticket prices. Selling the naming rights for the Gallowgate would have raised few million. Not sacking Big Sam another £6m. Not appointing a director of football a million a year. Not sacking Keegan £8m. Then there’s extra incoming money for finishing higher up the table, and the better ticket sales that came with better results.

 

You have to remember that we’ve spent nothing on new players since Ashley took over. Finding £25-30m for squad strengthening over a couple of season shouldn’t be that difficult for a well established business with a large and loyal ’customer base’.

 

A bit like General Motors then?

[madras]

NE5, can you post a link to the answer you gave about Shepherd leading us back to the Champions League because I can't find it.

 

the Halls and Shepherd ran the club, not Shepherd, and my reply is quite clear.

 

You can ask mandiarse to respond now.

 

 

 

Ok, well lets say Shepherd had bought the club, and not Ashley. Would he have led the club back to Champions League? I answered your question about the Magpie group so its your turn to answer mine.

 

but he hasn't bought the club, and he never owned it. The Halls AND Shepherd, on the other hand, DID. And have been the best owners in the last 50 years by far.

 

 

 

So had Ashley not bought the club where do you think we would be now. I reckon more or less in the same league position.

 

no I don't think so. I don't doubt for a moment that the old regime would have taken far more positive steps to even avoid relegation than Ashley has done, never mind try to stave of this so called "mediocrity" [for those who haven't seen it yet].

 

 

 

 

 

Where do you think the money would have come for to pay for these "positive steps"? We were mortgaged up to the hilt as it was.

The extra TV money. Advance season ticket deals.  Third party investment. A share flotation. Increasing season ticket prices. Selling the naming rights for the Gallowgate would have raised few million. Not sacking Big Sam another £6m. Not appointing a director of football a million a year. Not sacking Keegan £8m. Then there’s extra incoming money for finishing higher up the table, and the better ticket sales that came with better results.

 

You have to remember that we’ve spent nothing on new players since Ashley took over. Finding £25-30m for squad strengthening over a couple of season shouldn’t be that difficult for a well established business with a large and loyal ’customer base’.

some good thinking there. imo though only third party investment or a share floatation are go-ers to any considerable ammount. (ie imo allardyce could well have took us down,the jury is out over keegans "sacking"nnaming rights would add some but not a great deal ,i wouldn't be averse to flogging the name of the ground as we'd still call it SJP,season tickets are pricey enough and we shouldn't be budgeting on future league positions a la leeds)

 

finding 25-30 mill isn't the point, it's when you've done that and not improved....how many more seasons can you do it ?

 

on a side note has anyone worked out how much extra the tv deal is per year over the old deal and when does it come into effect ?

[Mick]

 

 

Well, thats not very observant of you, as I've posted a comment by his son a couple of times, one in response to you, which suggests something slightly different. Still, you don't have much of a track record regrarding seeing things that don't suit your opinion.

 

 

 

Douglas said he agreed with the decision, that has never been in doubt.  I had no part in sacking Souness but I agreed with it.

[Mick]

how much of our debt had to be repaid immediately?

 

 

£44 million and that has nothing to do with Ashley paying our bills as they become due, that is totally different.

[Guest fading star]

NE5, can you post a link to the answer you gave about Shepherd leading us back to the Champions League because I can't find it.

 

the Halls and Shepherd ran the club, not Shepherd, and my reply is quite clear.

 

You can ask mandiarse to respond now.

 

 

 

Ok, well lets say Shepherd had bought the club, and not Ashley. Would he have led the club back to Champions League? I answered your question about the Magpie group so its your turn to answer mine.

 

but he hasn't bought the club, and he never owned it. The Halls AND Shepherd, on the other hand, DID. And have been the best owners in the last 50 years by far.

 

 

 

So had Ashley not bought the club where do you think we would be now. I reckon more or less in the same league position.

 

no I don't think so. I don't doubt for a moment that the old regime would have taken far more positive steps to even avoid relegation than Ashley has done, never mind try to stave of this so called "mediocrity" [for those who haven't seen it yet].

 

 

 

 

 

Where do you think the money would have come for to pay for these "positive steps"? We were mortgaged up to the hilt as it was.

The extra TV money. Advance season ticket deals.  Third party investment. A share flotation. Increasing season ticket prices. Selling the naming rights for the Gallowgate would have raised few million. Not sacking Big Sam another £6m. Not appointing a director of football a million a year. Not sacking Keegan £8m. Then there’s extra incoming money for finishing higher up the table, and the better ticket sales that came with better results.

 

You have to remember that we’ve spent nothing on new players since Ashley took over. Finding £25-30m for squad strengthening over a couple of season shouldn’t be that difficult for a well established business with a large and loyal ’customer base’.

 

A bit like General Motors then?

Not even vaguely similar. Supporting a football isn’t anything like buying car. If you bought a Ford and it was shit would you buy another one out of loyalty? 

[Guest toonlass]

NE5, can you post a link to the answer you gave about Shepherd leading us back to the Champions League because I can't find it.

 

the Halls and Shepherd ran the club, not Shepherd, and my reply is quite clear.

 

You can ask mandiarse to respond now.

 

 

 

Ok, well lets say Shepherd had bought the club, and not Ashley. Would he have led the club back to Champions League? I answered your question about the Magpie group so its your turn to answer mine.

 

but he hasn't bought the club, and he never owned it. The Halls AND Shepherd, on the other hand, DID. And have been the best owners in the last 50 years by far.

 

 

 

So had Ashley not bought the club where do you think we would be now. I reckon more or less in the same league position.

 

no I don't think so. I don't doubt for a moment that the old regime would have taken far more positive steps to even avoid relegation than Ashley has done, never mind try to stave of this so called "mediocrity" [for those who haven't seen it yet].

 

 

 

 

 

Where do you think the money would have come for to pay for these "positive steps"? We were mortgaged up to the hilt as it was.

The extra TV money. Advance season ticket deals.  Third party investment. A share flotation. Increasing season ticket prices. Selling the naming rights for the Gallowgate would have raised few million. Not sacking Big Sam another £6m. Not appointing a director of football a million a year. Not sacking Keegan £8m. Then there’s extra incoming money for finishing higher up the table, and the better ticket sales that came with better results.

 

You have to remember that we’ve spent nothing on new players since Ashley took over. Finding £25-30m for squad strengthening over a couple of season shouldn’t be that difficult for a well established business with a large and loyal ’customer base’.

some good thinking there. imo though only third party investment or a share floatation are go-ers to any considerable ammount. (ie imo allardyce could well have took us down,the jury is out over keegans "sacking"nnaming rights would add some but not a great deal ,i wouldn't be averse to flogging the name of the ground as we'd still call it SJP I would though ,season tickets are pricey enough and we shouldn't be budgeting on future league positions a la leeds)

 

finding 25-30 mill isn't the point, it's when you've done that and not improved....how many more seasons can you do it ? That had already started to happen hadn't it?

 

on a side note has anyone worked out how much extra the tv deal is per year over the old deal and when does it come into effect ?

 

I think Hall wanted out, and would have sold to just about anyone other than Shepherd. Had Shepherd been able to afford to buy the club then he could never have afforded to pay off the debts which became due immediately when Sir John sold. So he would have remortgaged again to pay these off.

[Guest fading star]

how much of our debt had to be repaid immediately?

 

 

£44 million and that has nothing to do with Ashley paying our bills as they become due, that is totally different.

“I'm not sure how we would have been in the same position as we would have had to find cash to pay our debts as Ashley wouldn't have been around to give us a loan.”

 

That’s what you said. Yet Ashley if hadn’t bought the club there would have been no pressure to pay off any of the debt ahead of time.

[indi]

NE5, can you post a link to the answer you gave about Shepherd leading us back to the Champions League because I can't find it.

 

the Halls and Shepherd ran the club, not Shepherd, and my reply is quite clear.

 

You can ask mandiarse to respond now.

 

 

 

Ok, well lets say Shepherd had bought the club, and not Ashley. Would he have led the club back to Champions League? I answered your question about the Magpie group so its your turn to answer mine.

 

but he hasn't bought the club, and he never owned it. The Halls AND Shepherd, on the other hand, DID. And have been the best owners in the last 50 years by far.

 

 

 

So had Ashley not bought the club where do you think we would be now. I reckon more or less in the same league position.

 

no I don't think so. I don't doubt for a moment that the old regime would have taken far more positive steps to even avoid relegation than Ashley has done, never mind try to stave of this so called "mediocrity" [for those who haven't seen it yet].

 

 

 

 

 

Where do you think the money would have come for to pay for these "positive steps"? We were mortgaged up to the hilt as it was.

The extra TV money. Advance season ticket deals.  Third party investment. A share flotation. Increasing season ticket prices. Selling the naming rights for the Gallowgate would have raised few million. Not sacking Big Sam another £6m. Not appointing a director of football a million a year. Not sacking Keegan £8m. Then there’s extra incoming money for finishing higher up the table, and the better ticket sales that came with better results.

 

You have to remember that we’ve spent nothing on new players since Ashley took over. Finding £25-30m for squad strengthening over a couple of season shouldn’t be that difficult for a well established business with a large and loyal ’customer base’.

 

A bit like General Motors then?

Not even vaguely similar. Supporting a football isn’t anything like buying car. If you bought a Ford and it was shit would you buy another one out of loyalty? 

 

You were the one who made the comparison. You said that an established business with a large customer base should have no problems raising money for investment. I gave an example of a fucking huge company with a massive customer base, who's had to go cap in hand to the US government for money simply to stay in business, thereby disproving your point and showing (as if it ever actually needed to be done) that you don't know what you're on about, and now you're trying to move the goal posts, goal posts that you put there in the first place!

[Mick]

“I'm not sure how we would have been in the same position as we would have had to find cash to pay our debts as Ashley wouldn't have been around to give us a loan.”

 

That’s what you said. Yet Ashley if hadn’t bought the club there would have been no pressure to pay off any of the debt ahead of time.

 

 

We have problems with cash, Ashley is lending the club money to pay day to day bills, not just the loans.  If Ashley wasn't here and giving us loans then who would have loaned us money for this purpose?

[Guest fading star]

NE5, can you post a link to the answer you gave about Shepherd leading us back to the Champions League because I can't find it.

 

the Halls and Shepherd ran the club, not Shepherd, and my reply is quite clear.

 

You can ask mandiarse to respond now.

 

 

 

Ok, well lets say Shepherd had bought the club, and not Ashley. Would he have led the club back to Champions League? I answered your question about the Magpie group so its your turn to answer mine.

 

but he hasn't bought the club, and he never owned it. The Halls AND Shepherd, on the other hand, DID. And have been the best owners in the last 50 years by far.

 

 

 

So had Ashley not bought the club where do you think we would be now. I reckon more or less in the same league position.

 

no I don't think so. I don't doubt for a moment that the old regime would have taken far more positive steps to even avoid relegation than Ashley has done, never mind try to stave of this so called "mediocrity" [for those who haven't seen it yet].

 

 

 

 

 

Where do you think the money would have come for to pay for these "positive steps"? We were mortgaged up to the hilt as it was.

The extra TV money. Advance season ticket deals.  Third party investment. A share flotation. Increasing season ticket prices. Selling the naming rights for the Gallowgate would have raised few million. Not sacking Big Sam another £6m. Not appointing a director of football a million a year. Not sacking Keegan £8m. Then there’s extra incoming money for finishing higher up the table, and the better ticket sales that came with better results.

 

You have to remember that we’ve spent nothing on new players since Ashley took over. Finding £25-30m for squad strengthening over a couple of season shouldn’t be that difficult for a well established business with a large and loyal ’customer base’.

 

A bit like General Motors then?

Not even vaguely similar. Supporting a football isn’t anything like buying car. If you bought a Ford and it was s*** would you buy another one out of loyalty? 

 

You were the one who made the comparison. You said that an established business with a large customer base should have no problems raising money for investment. I gave an example of a f***ing huge company with a massive customer base, who's had to go cap in hand to the US government for money simply to stay in business, thereby disproving your point and showing (as if it ever actually needed to be done) that you don't know what you're on about, and now you're trying to move the goal posts, goal posts that you put there in the first place!

Howay then - what was I comparing NUFC with?

 

[Guest fading star]

“I'm not sure how we would have been in the same position as we would have had to find cash to pay our debts as Ashley wouldn't have been around to give us a loan.”

 

That’s what you said. Yet Ashley if hadn’t bought the club there would have been no pressure to pay off any of the debt ahead of time.

 

 

We have problems with cash, Ashley is lending the club money to pay day to day bills, not just the loans.  If Ashley wasn't here and giving us loans then who would have loaned us money for this purpose?

I see. When you said debts what you really meant was day to day bills.

[Mick]

I see. When you said debts what you really meant was day to day bills.

 

Yes, day to day bills like the tax man, short term loans, players wages, transfer instalments, that sort of thing.

[indi]

NE5, can you post a link to the answer you gave about Shepherd leading us back to the Champions League because I can't find it.

 

the Halls and Shepherd ran the club, not Shepherd, and my reply is quite clear.

 

You can ask mandiarse to respond now.

 

 

 

Ok, well lets say Shepherd had bought the club, and not Ashley. Would he have led the club back to Champions League? I answered your question about the Magpie group so its your turn to answer mine.

 

but he hasn't bought the club, and he never owned it. The Halls AND Shepherd, on the other hand, DID. And have been the best owners in the last 50 years by far.

 

 

 

So had Ashley not bought the club where do you think we would be now. I reckon more or less in the same league position.

 

no I don't think so. I don't doubt for a moment that the old regime would have taken far more positive steps to even avoid relegation than Ashley has done, never mind try to stave of this so called "mediocrity" [for those who haven't seen it yet].

 

 

 

 

 

Where do you think the money would have come for to pay for these "positive steps"? We were mortgaged up to the hilt as it was.

The extra TV money. Advance season ticket deals.  Third party investment. A share flotation. Increasing season ticket prices. Selling the naming rights for the Gallowgate would have raised few million. Not sacking Big Sam another £6m. Not appointing a director of football a million a year. Not sacking Keegan £8m. Then there’s extra incoming money for finishing higher up the table, and the better ticket sales that came with better results.

 

You have to remember that we’ve spent nothing on new players since Ashley took over. Finding £25-30m for squad strengthening over a couple of season shouldn’t be that difficult for a well established business with a large and loyal ’customer base’.

 

A bit like General Motors then?

Not even vaguely similar. Supporting a football isn’t anything like buying car. If you bought a Ford and it was s*** would you buy another one out of loyalty? 

 

You were the one who made the comparison. You said that an established business with a large customer base should have no problems raising money for investment. I gave an example of a f***ing huge company with a massive customer base, who's had to go cap in hand to the US government for money simply to stay in business, thereby disproving your point and showing (as if it ever actually needed to be done) that you don't know what you're on about, and now you're trying to move the goal posts, goal posts that you put there in the first place!

Howay then - what was I comparing NUFC with?

 

 

Have you forgotten already?

 

The extra TV money. Advance season ticket deals.  Third party investment. A share flotation. Increasing season ticket prices. Selling the naming rights for the Gallowgate would have raised few million. Not sacking Big Sam another £6m. Not appointing a director of football a million a year. Not sacking Keegan £8m. Then there’s extra incoming money for finishing higher up the table, and the better ticket sales that came with better results.

 

You have to remember that we’ve spent nothing on new players since Ashley took over. Finding £25-30m for squad strengthening over a couple of season shouldn’t be that difficult for a well established business with a large and loyal ’customer base’.

 

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That'll be you comparing NUFC to a "well established business with a large and loyal ’customer base’".

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I see. When you said debts what you really meant was day to day bills.

 

Yes, day to day bills like the tax man, short term loans, players wages, transfer instalments, that sort of thing.

What was the shortfall for 06/07?

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NE5, can you post a link to the answer you gave about Shepherd leading us back to the Champions League because I can't find it.

 

the Halls and Shepherd ran the club, not Shepherd, and my reply is quite clear.

 

You can ask mandiarse to respond now.

 

 

 

Ok, well lets say Shepherd had bought the club, and not Ashley. Would he have led the club back to Champions League? I answered your question about the Magpie group so its your turn to answer mine.

 

but he hasn't bought the club, and he never owned it. The Halls AND Shepherd, on the other hand, DID. And have been the best owners in the last 50 years by far.

 

 

 

So had Ashley not bought the club where do you think we would be now. I reckon more or less in the same league position.

 

no I don't think so. I don't doubt for a moment that the old regime would have taken far more positive steps to even avoid relegation than Ashley has done, never mind try to stave of this so called "mediocrity" [for those who haven't seen it yet].

 

 

 

 

 

Where do you think the money would have come for to pay for these "positive steps"? We were mortgaged up to the hilt as it was.

The extra TV money. Advance season ticket deals.  Third party investment. A share flotation. Increasing season ticket prices. Selling the naming rights for the Gallowgate would have raised few million. Not sacking Big Sam another £6m. Not appointing a director of football a million a year. Not sacking Keegan £8m. Then there’s extra incoming money for finishing higher up the table, and the better ticket sales that came with better results.

 

You have to remember that we’ve spent nothing on new players since Ashley took over. Finding £25-30m for squad strengthening over a couple of season shouldn’t be that difficult for a well established business with a large and loyal ’customer base’.

 

A bit like General Motors then?

Not even vaguely similar. Supporting a football isn’t anything like buying car. If you bought a Ford and it was s*** would you buy another one out of loyalty? 

 

You were the one who made the comparison. You said that an established business with a large customer base should have no problems raising money for investment. I gave an example of a f***ing huge company with a massive customer base, who's had to go cap in hand to the US government for money simply to stay in business, thereby disproving your point and showing (as if it ever actually needed to be done) that you don't know what you're on about, and now you're trying to move the goal posts, goal posts that you put there in the first place!

Howay then - what was I comparing NUFC with?

 

 

Have you forgotten already?

 

The extra TV money. Advance season ticket deals.  Third party investment. A share flotation. Increasing season ticket prices. Selling the naming rights for the Gallowgate would have raised few million. Not sacking Big Sam another £6m. Not appointing a director of football a million a year. Not sacking Keegan £8m. Then there’s extra incoming money for finishing higher up the table, and the better ticket sales that came with better results.

 

You have to remember that we’ve spent nothing on new players since Ashley took over. Finding £25-30m for squad strengthening over a couple of season shouldn’t be that difficult for a well established business with a large and loyal ’customer base’.

 

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That'll be you comparing NUFC to a "well established business with a large and loyal ’customer base’".

Not a US car manufacturer then.

 

 

It's not comparison. Before Ashley acquired Newcastle United was an established business with a loyal customer base.