TRon Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 If people are prepared to accept the shambles that has been NUFC over the course of this(and other)seasons, they deserve all they are, and will, get. Face facts - Ashley, for all his good intentions(are they, I wonder?), has messed up jumbo style. I cannot think of ONE thing he has done this season which has put the club on a better footing. That sentence in bold is probably one of the biggest piles of dogshit I have ever read on this forum This is the problem with anti-Ashley posters and the likes of the NUSC. Banging on about what's been done wrong without even attempting to acknowledge the point of the original post, which is about clubs going facing real financial difficulties if they spend beyond their means without any proportionate success. Does this sound like any club in particular? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 What a ridiculous ridiculous thread. The wages are too high with people at the club being paid excessively while underperforming badly. Who does Ashley sell? Milner, Nzogbia and Given with rumours it's Bassong next. Some of the best value players at the club in terms of wages vs appearances vs performances. He's also got a hospitalised has-been manager on £1M a year who's performed worse than any manager in the history of the club bar Ozzie Ardiles. He's also got a chief scout on a £1.5M a season contract. He's made one massive payout to get rid of a far better manager than we currently have. He's due to make an even bigger payout to get rid of another even better manager than we currently have. He's got us one point from being relegated and losing millions of TV money. How can people say he's running things well? I cannot fathom the warped mindset of an Ashley fan. He's killing our club, and people are gladly watching him do it because he can afford to take the loss on his gamble and keep paying for the ever diminishing returns.......until he says "Fuck it", cuts his losses puts the club into administration and gets first dabs on the £120M of loans he's due as the clubs only creditor. comments on 2 points in bold: 1. clubs tend not to want to buy shit players and take their massive wages, funny that wonder why? 2. who said he was running things well? you're exposing yourself as 'boycoutter' spouting shit like that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 If people are prepared to accept the shambles that has been NUFC over the course of this(and other)seasons, they deserve all they are, and will, get. Face facts - Ashley, for all his good intentions(are they, I wonder?), has messed up jumbo style. I cannot think of ONE thing he has done this season which has put the club on a better footing. That sentence in bold is probably one of the biggest piles of dogshit I have ever read on this forum This is the problem with anti-Ashley posters and the likes of the NUSC. Banging on about what's been done wrong without even attempting to acknowledge the point of the original post, which is about clubs going facing real financial difficulties if they spend beyond their means without any proportionate success. Does this sound like any club in particular? ah, finally, someone comes along who doesn't need a drawing in crayon to work things out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 What a ridiculous ridiculous thread. The wages are too high with people at the club being paid excessively while underperforming badly. Who does Ashley sell? Milner, Nzogbia and Given with rumours it's Bassong next. Some of the best value players at the club in terms of wages vs appearances vs performances. He's also got a hospitalised has-been manager on £1M a year who's performed worse than any manager in the history of the club bar Ozzie Ardiles. He's also got a chief scout on a £1.5M a season contract. He's made one massive payout to get rid of a far better manager than we currently have. He's due to make an even bigger payout to get rid of another even better manager than we currently have. He's got us one point from being relegated and losing millions of TV money. How can people say he's running things well? I cannot fathom the warped mindset of an Ashley fan. He's killing our club, and people are gladly watching him do it because he can afford to take the loss on his gamble and keep paying for the ever diminishing returns.......until he says "Fuck it", cuts his losses puts the club into administration and gets first dabs on the £120M of loans he's due as the clubs only creditor. This is the problem with anti-Ashley posters and the likes of the NUSC. Banging on about what's been done wrong without even attempting to acknowledge the point of the original post, which is about clubs going facing real financial difficulties if they spend beyond their means without any proportionate success. Does this sound like any club in particular? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 What a ridiculous ridiculous thread. The wages are too high with people at the club being paid excessively while underperforming badly. Who does Ashley sell? Milner, Nzogbia and Given with rumours it's Bassong next. Some of the best value players at the club in terms of wages vs appearances vs performances. He's also got a hospitalised has-been manager on £1M a year who's performed worse than any manager in the history of the club bar Ozzie Ardiles. He's also got a chief scout on a £1.5M a season contract. He's made one massive payout to get rid of a far better manager than we currently have. He's due to make an even bigger payout to get rid of another even better manager than we currently have. He's got us one point from being relegated and losing millions of TV money. How can people say he's running things well? I cannot fathom the warped mindset of an Ashley fan. He's killing our club, and people are gladly watching him do it because he can afford to take the loss on his gamble and keep paying for the ever diminishing returns.......until he says "Fuck it", cuts his losses puts the club into administration and gets first dabs on the £120M of loans he's due as the clubs only creditor. There's so much wrong with that post it's hard to know where to start but the bolded bit...I disagree that JK is a worse manager than Allardyce, and if you are saying that it was wrong to pay out so much money to get rid of the fat faker, then obviously that negates your point about paying Keegan off as he would never have been here, we'd still have Allardyce, heading to Hull with a ten man defence and hoofing the ball 50 yards for Owen to scrap for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 What a ridiculous ridiculous thread. The wages are too high with people at the club being paid excessively while underperforming badly. Who does Ashley sell? Milner, Nzogbia and Given with rumours it's Bassong next. Some of the best value players at the club in terms of wages vs appearances vs performances. He's also got a hospitalised has-been manager on £1M a year who's performed worse than any manager in the history of the club bar Ozzie Ardiles. He's also got a chief scout on a £1.5M a season contract. He's made one massive payout to get rid of a far better manager than we currently have. He's due to make an even bigger payout to get rid of another even better manager than we currently have. He's got us one point from being relegated and losing millions of TV money. How can people say he's running things well? I cannot fathom the warped mindset of an Ashley fan. He's killing our club, and people are gladly watching him do it because he can afford to take the loss on his gamble and keep paying for the ever diminishing returns.......until he says "Fuck it", cuts his losses puts the club into administration and gets first dabs on the £120M of loans he's due as the clubs only creditor. comments on 2 points in bold: 1. clubs tend not to want to buy shit players and take their massive wages, funny that wonder why? 2. who said he was running things well? you're exposing yourself as 'boycoutter' spouting shit like that Ignore the rest though mate. In response to your first point, I agree that nobody wants to buy overpaid shite......except us when we give the likes of Ameobi a new contract. It's not just players though. If he's cutting costs so sensibly, then how can we afford the most overpaid scout in the league? And on your second, I thought the OP was suggesting we'd be thanking Ashley in the long run. Was it not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 What a ridiculous ridiculous thread. The wages are too high with people at the club being paid excessively while underperforming badly. Who does Ashley sell? Milner, Nzogbia and Given with rumours it's Bassong next. Some of the best value players at the club in terms of wages vs appearances vs performances. He's also got a hospitalised has-been manager on £1M a year who's performed worse than any manager in the history of the club bar Ozzie Ardiles. He's also got a chief scout on a £1.5M a season contract. He's made one massive payout to get rid of a far better manager than we currently have. He's due to make an even bigger payout to get rid of another even better manager than we currently have. He's got us one point from being relegated and losing millions of TV money. How can people say he's running things well? I cannot fathom the warped mindset of an Ashley fan. He's killing our club, and people are gladly watching him do it because he can afford to take the loss on his gamble and keep paying for the ever diminishing returns.......until he says "Fuck it", cuts his losses puts the club into administration and gets first dabs on the £120M of loans he's due as the clubs only creditor. This is the problem with anti-Ashley posters and the likes of the NUSC. Banging on about what's been done wrong without even attempting to acknowledge the point of the original post, which is about clubs going facing real financial difficulties if they spend beyond their means without any proportionate success. Does this sound like any club in particular? Sorry, I thought I was listing the ways in which Ashley has spent needlessly. The financial difficulty he's exacerbated. Did you read the Valencia article? It lists exactly the same sort of things I have like manager pay-offs that made Valencia unsustainable...and which we all hammered Shepherd for? Ashley has gone through managers at at a rate of more than 3 a year, rather than 1 a year like Shepherd did late on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 What a ridiculous ridiculous thread. The wages are too high with people at the club being paid excessively while underperforming badly. Who does Ashley sell? Milner, Nzogbia and Given with rumours it's Bassong next. Some of the best value players at the club in terms of wages vs appearances vs performances. He's also got a hospitalised has-been manager on £1M a year who's performed worse than any manager in the history of the club bar Ozzie Ardiles. He's also got a chief scout on a £1.5M a season contract. He's made one massive payout to get rid of a far better manager than we currently have. He's due to make an even bigger payout to get rid of another even better manager than we currently have. He's got us one point from being relegated and losing millions of TV money. How can people say he's running things well? I cannot fathom the warped mindset of an Ashley fan. He's killing our club, and people are gladly watching him do it because he can afford to take the loss on his gamble and keep paying for the ever diminishing returns.......until he says "Fuck it", cuts his losses puts the club into administration and gets first dabs on the £120M of loans he's due as the clubs only creditor. comments on 2 points in bold: 1. clubs tend not to want to buy shit players and take their massive wages, funny that wonder why? 2. who said he was running things well? you're exposing yourself as 'boycoutter' spouting shit like that Ignore the rest though mate. In response to your first point, I agree that nobody wants to buy overpaid shite......except us when we give the likes of Ameobi a new contract. It's not just players though. If he's cutting costs so sensibly, then how can we afford the most overpaid scout in the league? And on your second, I thought the OP was suggesting we'd be thanking Ashley in the long run. Was it not? i ignored what i wanted, same way you did you when you read the OP...did you open the links to the 2 stories by the way? read what Tron wrote later on, sums it up you carry on though, don't let the thread stop you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 What a ridiculous ridiculous thread. The wages are too high with people at the club being paid excessively while underperforming badly. Who does Ashley sell? Milner, Nzogbia and Given with rumours it's Bassong next. Some of the best value players at the club in terms of wages vs appearances vs performances. He's also got a hospitalised has-been manager on £1M a year who's performed worse than any manager in the history of the club bar Ozzie Ardiles. He's also got a chief scout on a £1.5M a season contract. He's made one massive payout to get rid of a far better manager than we currently have. He's due to make an even bigger payout to get rid of another even better manager than we currently have. He's got us one point from being relegated and losing millions of TV money. How can people say he's running things well? I cannot fathom the warped mindset of an Ashley fan. He's killing our club, and people are gladly watching him do it because he can afford to take the loss on his gamble and keep paying for the ever diminishing returns.......until he says "Fuck it", cuts his losses puts the club into administration and gets first dabs on the £120M of loans he's due as the clubs only creditor. There's so much wrong with that post it's hard to know where to start but the bolded bit...I disagree that JK is a worse manager than Allardyce, and if you are saying that it was wrong to pay out so much money to get rid of the fat faker, then obviously that negates your point about paying Keegan off as he would never have been here, we'd still have Allardyce, heading to Hull with a ten man defence and hoofing the ball 50 yards for Owen to scrap for. The point relates more to the one in the article from the OP that part of valncia's problem is the rate at which they go through managers. Ashley has gone through 3 managers in one season.....but is sticking with the worst one. If you think Allardyce is a worse manager than Kinnear then it serves to further illustrate how clueless you are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 What a ridiculous ridiculous thread. The wages are too high with people at the club being paid excessively while underperforming badly. Who does Ashley sell? Milner, Nzogbia and Given with rumours it's Bassong next. Some of the best value players at the club in terms of wages vs appearances vs performances. He's also got a hospitalised has-been manager on £1M a year who's performed worse than any manager in the history of the club bar Ozzie Ardiles. He's also got a chief scout on a £1.5M a season contract. He's made one massive payout to get rid of a far better manager than we currently have. He's due to make an even bigger payout to get rid of another even better manager than we currently have. He's got us one point from being relegated and losing millions of TV money. How can people say he's running things well? I cannot fathom the warped mindset of an Ashley fan. He's killing our club, and people are gladly watching him do it because he can afford to take the loss on his gamble and keep paying for the ever diminishing returns.......until he says "Fuck it", cuts his losses puts the club into administration and gets first dabs on the £120M of loans he's due as the clubs only creditor. There's so much wrong with that post it's hard to know where to start but the bolded bit...I disagree that JK is a worse manager than Allardyce, and if you are saying that it was wrong to pay out so much money to get rid of the fat faker, then obviously that negates your point about paying Keegan off as he would never have been here, we'd still have Allardyce, heading to Hull with a ten man defence and hoofing the ball 50 yards for Owen to scrap for. The point relates more to the one in the article from the OP that part of valncia's problem is the rate at which they go through managers. Ashley has gone through 3 managers in one season.....but is sticking with the worst one. If you think Allardyce is a worse manager than Kinnear then it serves to further illustrate how clueless you are. there was a lot more to do with valencia's problems than the managers part you've latched onto...like building a ground they can't complete 'cause they expected to make a fortune on land for the mestalla or paying 10m euro to a guy for 2 weeks work or something or signing 3 players at 17m each only one of whom is half decent iirc as i said, carry on though...more about ashley & managers please Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Said this in January, looking at the state of other club's finances and looking at the way the economy is going all over Europe, we may be in a much stronger position than many of our close competitors next season. In fact, we will be in a better state than some of them, perhaps more than we may realise. When bubbles burst, they do it quickly. The big caveat is of course staying in the premiership, which remains a concern after we made a profit in the January window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 What a ridiculous ridiculous thread. The wages are too high with people at the club being paid excessively while underperforming badly. Who does Ashley sell? Milner, Nzogbia and Given with rumours it's Bassong next. Some of the best value players at the club in terms of wages vs appearances vs performances. He's also got a hospitalised has-been manager on £1M a year who's performed worse than any manager in the history of the club bar Ozzie Ardiles. He's also got a chief scout on a £1.5M a season contract. He's made one massive payout to get rid of a far better manager than we currently have. He's due to make an even bigger payout to get rid of another even better manager than we currently have. He's got us one point from being relegated and losing millions of TV money. How can people say he's running things well? I cannot fathom the warped mindset of an Ashley fan. He's killing our club, and people are gladly watching him do it because he can afford to take the loss on his gamble and keep paying for the ever diminishing returns.......until he says "Fuck it", cuts his losses puts the club into administration and gets first dabs on the £120M of loans he's due as the clubs only creditor. There's so much wrong with that post it's hard to know where to start but the bolded bit...I disagree that JK is a worse manager than Allardyce, and if you are saying that it was wrong to pay out so much money to get rid of the fat faker, then obviously that negates your point about paying Keegan off as he would never have been here, we'd still have Allardyce, heading to Hull with a ten man defence and hoofing the ball 50 yards for Owen to scrap for. The point relates more to the one in the article from the OP that part of valncia's problem is the rate at which they go through managers. Ashley has gone through 3 managers in one season.....but is sticking with the worst one. If you think Allardyce is a worse manager than Kinnear then it serves to further illustrate how clueless you are. At least I'm not so clueless to totally distort the point of the OP in order to get my digs in and pretend it was praising Ashley for "running things well". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 there was a lot more to do with valencia's problems than the managers part you've latched onto...like building a ground they can't complete 'cause they expected to make a fortune on land for the mestalla or paying 10m euro to a guy for 2 weeks work or something or signing 3 players at 17m each only one of whom is half decent iirc as i said, carry on though...more about ashley & managers please I mentioned a lot more than the manager pay-offs too. If anyone latched onto managers it was you when you emboldened it from my cromulent post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winn Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 I remember when Leeds went they lost about 6 or 8 big players. If we go down it would be more like loosing 10/15 big players. Surely that just cant be alowed happen?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 I remember when Leeds went they lost about 6 or 8 big players. If we go down it would be more like loosing 10/15 big players. Surely that just cant be alowed happen?? Different financial circumstances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 If people are prepared to accept the shambles that has been NUFC over the course of this(and other)seasons, they deserve all they are, and will, get. Face facts - Ashley, for all his good intentions(are they, I wonder?), has messed up jumbo style. I cannot think of ONE thing he has done this season which has put the club on a better footing. That sentence in bold is probably one of the biggest piles of dogshit I have ever read on this forum Even if it had been, you have just trumped it - well done..!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 What a ridiculous ridiculous thread. The wages are too high with people at the club being paid excessively while underperforming badly. Who does Ashley sell? Milner, Nzogbia and Given with rumours it's Bassong next. Some of the best value players at the club in terms of wages vs appearances vs performances. He's also got a hospitalised has-been manager on £1M a year who's performed worse than any manager in the history of the club bar Ozzie Ardiles. He's also got a chief scout on a £1.5M a season contract. He's made one massive payout to get rid of a far better manager than we currently have. He's due to make an even bigger payout to get rid of another even better manager than we currently have. He's got us one point from being relegated and losing millions of TV money. How can people say he's running things well? I cannot fathom the warped mindset of an Ashley fan. He's killing our club, and people are gladly watching him do it because he can afford to take the loss on his gamble and keep paying for the ever diminishing returns.......until he says "Fuck it", cuts his losses puts the club into administration and gets first dabs on the £120M of loans he's due as the clubs only creditor. There's so much wrong with that post it's hard to know where to start but the bolded bit...I disagree that JK is a worse manager than Allardyce, and if you are saying that it was wrong to pay out so much money to get rid of the fat faker, then obviously that negates your point about paying Keegan off as he would never have been here, we'd still have Allardyce, heading to Hull with a ten man defence and hoofing the ball 50 yards for Owen to scrap for. The point relates more to the one in the article from the OP that part of valncia's problem is the rate at which they go through managers. Ashley has gone through 3 managers in one season.....but is sticking with the worst one. If you think Allardyce is a worse manager than Kinnear then it serves to further illustrate how clueless you are. At least I'm not so clueless to totally distort the point of the OP in order to get my digs in and pretend it was praising Ashley for "running things well". "Let's all give thanks to uncle Mike...." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 there was a lot more to do with valencia's problems than the managers part you've latched onto...like building a ground they can't complete 'cause they expected to make a fortune on land for the mestalla or paying 10m euro to a guy for 2 weeks work or something or signing 3 players at 17m each only one of whom is half decent iirc as i said, carry on though...more about ashley & managers please I mentioned a lot more than the manager pay-offs too. If anyone latched onto managers it was you when you emboldened it from my cromulent post. actually in your post you make about a 50% reference to managers in various guises, 25% reference to shite like "He's got us one point from being relegated and losing millions of TV money." and 25% of sense such as "The wages are too high with people at the club being paid excessively while underperforming badly." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 What a ridiculous ridiculous thread. The wages are too high with people at the club being paid excessively while underperforming badly. Who does Ashley sell? Milner, Nzogbia and Given with rumours it's Bassong next. Some of the best value players at the club in terms of wages vs appearances vs performances. He's also got a hospitalised has-been manager on £1M a year who's performed worse than any manager in the history of the club bar Ozzie Ardiles. He's also got a chief scout on a £1.5M a season contract. He's made one massive payout to get rid of a far better manager than we currently have. He's due to make an even bigger payout to get rid of another even better manager than we currently have. He's got us one point from being relegated and losing millions of TV money. How can people say he's running things well? I cannot fathom the warped mindset of an Ashley fan. He's killing our club, and people are gladly watching him do it because he can afford to take the loss on his gamble and keep paying for the ever diminishing returns.......until he says "Fuck it", cuts his losses puts the club into administration and gets first dabs on the £120M of loans he's due as the clubs only creditor. There's so much wrong with that post it's hard to know where to start but the bolded bit...I disagree that JK is a worse manager than Allardyce, and if you are saying that it was wrong to pay out so much money to get rid of the fat faker, then obviously that negates your point about paying Keegan off as he would never have been here, we'd still have Allardyce, heading to Hull with a ten man defence and hoofing the ball 50 yards for Owen to scrap for. The point relates more to the one in the article from the OP that part of valncia's problem is the rate at which they go through managers. Ashley has gone through 3 managers in one season.....but is sticking with the worst one. If you think Allardyce is a worse manager than Kinnear then it serves to further illustrate how clueless you are. At least I'm not so clueless to totally distort the point of the OP in order to get my digs in and pretend it was praising Ashley for "running things well". "Let's all give thanks to uncle Mike...." "the titles a piss take obviously" keep going though bonny lad, doing well.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Said this in January, looking at the state of other club's finances and looking at the way the economy is going all over Europe, we may be in a much stronger position than many of our close competitors next season. In fact, we will be in a better state than some of them, perhaps more than we may realise. When bubbles burst, they do it quickly. The big caveat is of course staying in the premiership, which remains a concern after we made a profit in the January window. This is pretty much what it comes down to. What Ashley is trying to do with the club's finances is completely sensible and, beyond that, may become the only way to run a football club in the next few years. However, it obviously depends on staying up as relegation would destroy our future prospects. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 What a ridiculous ridiculous thread. The wages are too high with people at the club being paid excessively while underperforming badly. Who does Ashley sell? Milner, Nzogbia and Given with rumours it's Bassong next. Some of the best value players at the club in terms of wages vs appearances vs performances. He's also got a hospitalised has-been manager on £1M a year who's performed worse than any manager in the history of the club bar Ozzie Ardiles. He's also got a chief scout on a £1.5M a season contract. He's made one massive payout to get rid of a far better manager than we currently have. He's due to make an even bigger payout to get rid of another even better manager than we currently have. He's got us one point from being relegated and losing millions of TV money. How can people say he's running things well? I cannot fathom the warped mindset of an Ashley fan. He's killing our club, and people are gladly watching him do it because he can afford to take the loss on his gamble and keep paying for the ever diminishing returns.......until he says "f*** it", cuts his losses puts the club into administration and gets first dabs on the £120M of loans he's due as the clubs only creditor. There's so much wrong with that post it's hard to know where to start but the bolded bit...I disagree that JK is a worse manager than Allardyce, and if you are saying that it was wrong to pay out so much money to get rid of the fat faker, then obviously that negates your point about paying Keegan off as he would never have been here, we'd still have Allardyce, heading to Hull with a ten man defence and hoofing the ball 50 yards for Owen to scrap for. The point relates more to the one in the article from the OP that part of valncia's problem is the rate at which they go through managers. Ashley has gone through 3 managers in one season.....but is sticking with the worst one. If you think Allardyce is a worse manager than Kinnear then it serves to further illustrate how clueless you are. At least I'm not so clueless to totally distort the point of the OP in order to get my digs in and pretend it was praising Ashley for "running things well". "Let's all give thanks to uncle Mike...." "the titles a piss take obviously" keep going though bonny lad, doing well.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 If people are prepared to accept the shambles that has been NUFC over the course of this(and other)seasons, they deserve all they are, and will, get. Face facts - Ashley, for all his good intentions(are they, I wonder?), has messed up jumbo style. I cannot think of ONE thing he has done this season which has put the club on a better footing. That sentence in bold is probably one of the biggest piles of dogshit I have ever read on this forum This is the problem with anti-Ashley posters and the likes of the NUSC. Banging on about what's been done wrong without even attempting to acknowledge the point of the original post, which is about clubs going facing real financial difficulties if they spend beyond their means without any proportionate success. Does this sound like any club in particular? This is the problem about those who have bought into Ashley's propaganda and have posted on this thread without correctly interpreting what others have said - there was absolutely NOTHING in my posting which mentioned Ashley's spend - if you look again , you will see that I said he has messed up Jumbo style ; this has nothing to do with the spend but EVERYTHING to do with his decision-making...and I stand by that 100 % , as would anyone unless they think that creating a situation where KK walks out, employing a third-rater like Kinnear after making an abortive effort to sell the club(and then offering him a 2 year contract) etc etc...is good management. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 If people are prepared to accept the shambles that has been NUFC over the course of this(and other)seasons, they deserve all they are, and will, get. Face facts - Ashley, for all his good intentions(are they, I wonder?), has messed up jumbo style. I cannot think of ONE thing he has done this season which has put the club on a better footing. That sentence in bold is probably one of the biggest piles of dogshit I have ever read on this forum This is the problem with anti-Ashley posters and the likes of the NUSC. Banging on about what's been done wrong without even attempting to acknowledge the point of the original post, which is about clubs going facing real financial difficulties if they spend beyond their means without any proportionate success. Does this sound like any club in particular? This is the problem about those who have bought into Ashley's propaganda and have posted on this thread without correctly interpreting what others have said - there was absolutely NOTHING in my posting which mentioned Ashley's spend - if you look again , you will see that I said he has messed up Jumbo style ; this has nothing to do with the spend but EVERYTHING to do with his decision-making...and I stand by that 100 % , as would anyone unless they think that creating a situation where KK walks out, employing a third-rater like Kinnear after making an abortive effort to sell the club(and then offering him a 2 year contract) etc etc...is good management. not arguing with any of that like, but i love the chelp that Happy Face has railed off into about spending on managers under ashley after a massive amount of the debt ashley paid off was built up by the previous owners in appointing shit managers on big contracts, allowing them to spend a fortune on shit players then sacking them and paying them off you couldn't make it up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 What a ridiculous ridiculous thread. The wages are too high with people at the club being paid excessively while underperforming badly. Who does Ashley sell? Milner, Nzogbia and Given with rumours it's Bassong next. Some of the best value players at the club in terms of wages vs appearances vs performances. He's also got a hospitalised has-been manager on £1M a year who's performed worse than any manager in the history of the club bar Ozzie Ardiles. He's also got a chief scout on a £1.5M a season contract. He's made one massive payout to get rid of a far better manager than we currently have. He's due to make an even bigger payout to get rid of another even better manager than we currently have. He's got us one point from being relegated and losing millions of TV money. How can people say he's running things well? I cannot fathom the warped mindset of an Ashley fan. He's killing our club, and people are gladly watching him do it because he can afford to take the loss on his gamble and keep paying for the ever diminishing returns.......until he says "Fuck it", cuts his losses puts the club into administration and gets first dabs on the £120M of loans he's due as the clubs only creditor. There's so much wrong with that post it's hard to know where to start but the bolded bit...I disagree that JK is a worse manager than Allardyce, and if you are saying that it was wrong to pay out so much money to get rid of the fat faker, then obviously that negates your point about paying Keegan off as he would never have been here, we'd still have Allardyce, heading to Hull with a ten man defence and hoofing the ball 50 yards for Owen to scrap for. The point relates more to the one in the article from the OP that part of valncia's problem is the rate at which they go through managers. Ashley has gone through 3 managers in one season.....but is sticking with the worst one. If you think Allardyce is a worse manager than Kinnear then it serves to further illustrate how clueless you are. At least I'm not so clueless to totally distort the point of the OP in order to get my digs in and pretend it was praising Ashley for "running things well". "Let's all give thanks to uncle Mike...." "the titles a piss take obviously" keep going though bonny lad, doing well.... OK "things could be much, much worse imo" "things could have been very different had nobody bought the club from FS/Halls" "Mike Ashley buying this club will turn out to be a blessing in disguise" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest float one in Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 Obviously the most important and pressing issue is that we are in real danger of going down, which would be worse than catastrophic, and even if we stay up its looks like we'll have a poor manager next year in JFK, with minimal investment in the playing staff over the summer. However, given the financial climate you just can't ignore the fact that it does look like the club is on a better financial footing these days. I am far from Ashley's biggest fan and I am full of regret, disappointment and bitterness about how things have turned out during his time in charge, as we all are, but as Chezgiven says the bubble can burst very quickly. All things are relative and if the whole thing did go pear shaped we could very well find ourselves in a relatively safe position financially. I admit that means nowt if we're in the Championship like... Don't like to look back but clearly the best situation would have been if Sheperd had appointed a good manager instead of Souness. As it happened Souness was backed very well and wasted that backing, setting us back on the pitch and off it... As it is, if alot of Premier League clubs did get into financial difficulties in the near future we could find ourselves thinking "Christ, it was a good job Ashley came along when he did after all". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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