Guest firetotheworks Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Mate, it's a pointless discussion. If you're adamant that Lampard is simply a goal-scoring midfielder then godspeed to you. In my opinion it's absolute guff, but I can't be arsed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 By the way Gerrard has played 100 less League Games than Lampard too. Generally in a far worse team too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 By the way Gerrard has played 100 less League Games than Lampard too. Generally in a far worse team too. Didn't Lampard play a fair few of those games for West Ham?? Gerrard - 475 games for Liverpool, Lampard - 429 for Chelsea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 By the way Gerrard has played 100 less League Games than Lampard too. Generally in a far worse team too. Didn't Lampard play a fair few of those games for West Ham?? Gerrard - 475 games for Liverpool, Lampard - 429 for Chelsea. Yeah. Hence the "generally". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 In Lampard's case, for a midfielder to be his club's all-time leading goalscorer is a fantastic feat, even though his team were nearly always much better than the opposition. He was an outstanding finisher. Gerrard though could produce moments that would take your breath away - like that equalising goal from 35 yards against West Ham in the Cup Final. That combination of power and skill sets him above the rest IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 In Lampard's case, for a midfielder to be his club's all-time leading goalscorer is a fantastic feat, even though his team were nearly always much better than the opposition. He was an outstanding finisher. Gerrard though could produce moments that would take your breath away - like that equalising goal from 35 yards against West Ham in the Cup Final. That combination of power and skill sets him above the rest IMO. Agreed. And his goal against Germany in 2001. Phenomenal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 In Lampard's case, for a midfielder to be his club's all-time leading goalscorer is a fantastic feat, even though his team were nearly always much better than the opposition. He was an outstanding finisher. Gerrard though could produce moments that would take your breath away - like that equalising goal from 35 yards against West Ham in the Cup Final. That combination of power and skill sets him above the rest IMO. Agreed. And his goal against Germany in 2001. Phenomenal. That CL goal in stoppage time too at home too, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 In Lampard's case, for a midfielder to be his club's all-time leading goalscorer is a fantastic feat, even though his team were nearly always much better than the opposition. He was an outstanding finisher. Gerrard though could produce moments that would take your breath away - like that equalising goal from 35 yards against West Ham in the Cup Final. That combination of power and skill sets him above the rest IMO. Absolutely convinced that if you looked through Lampard's catalogue of goals, you would find goals of that calibre in there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 You certainly would. Everton away in 2006, left foot chip against Hull, that goal against Barca in the CL. Incredible strikes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 In Lampard's case, for a midfielder to be his club's all-time leading goalscorer is a fantastic feat, even though his team were nearly always much better than the opposition. He was an outstanding finisher. Gerrard though could produce moments that would take your breath away - like that equalising goal from 35 yards against West Ham in the Cup Final. That combination of power and skill sets him above the rest IMO. Absolutely convinced that if you looked through Lampard's catalogue of goals, you would find goals of that calibre in there. It's not about the calibre it's when they are scored that's the point here. Lampard to be fair to him has done it at crucial times too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 His chip against Hull as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 In Lampard's case, for a midfielder to be his club's all-time leading goalscorer is a fantastic feat, even though his team were nearly always much better than the opposition. He was an outstanding finisher. Gerrard though could produce moments that would take your breath away - like that equalising goal from 35 yards against West Ham in the Cup Final. That combination of power and skill sets him above the rest IMO. Absolutely convinced that if you looked through Lampard's catalogue of goals, you would find goals of that calibre in there. It's not about the calibre it's when they are scored that's the point here. Lampard to be fair to him has done it at crucial times too. But that feeds into the argument that was going on around Messi - I don't know how you can judge a player on moments in a match of particular importance that rely purely on chance and/or the performance of your team mates. There is no reason whatsoever to think that if a similar ball had dropped to Lampard in a FA Cup Final as it did for Gerrard against West Ham, that Lampard might have scored the exact same goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 See the Gerrard goals come in Cup Finals or International games away in Germany, Lampards come in League games versus Hull or Everton [emoji1] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Lampard scored a perfectly legitimate peach in the World Cup against Germany to be fair. Scored in CL final, CL semi finals and a great goal to win the FA cup final too. Both scored crucial goals when it mattered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 In Lampard's case, for a midfielder to be his club's all-time leading goalscorer is a fantastic feat, even though his team were nearly always much better than the opposition. He was an outstanding finisher. Gerrard though could produce moments that would take your breath away - like that equalising goal from 35 yards against West Ham in the Cup Final. That combination of power and skill sets him above the rest IMO. Absolutely convinced that if you looked through Lampard's catalogue of goals, you would find goals of that calibre in there. It's not about the calibre it's when they are scored that's the point here. Lampard to be fair to him has done it at crucial times too. But that feeds into the argument that was going on around Messi - I don't know how you can judge a player on moments in a match of particular importance that rely purely on chance and/or the performance of your team mates. There is no reason whatsoever to think that if a similar ball had dropped to Lampard in a FA Cup Final as it did for Gerrard against West Ham, that Lampard might have scored the exact same goal. No there isnt and as I said Lampard has scored a crucial goal or two in the big games. But Gerrard did do it and more than once too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Always remember him going around the 'keeper away to Bolton to seal the title as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Lampard scored a perfectly legitimate peach in the World Cup against Germany to be fair. Scored in CL final, CL semi finals and a great goal to win the FA cup final too. Both scored crucial goals when it mattered. The goal that wasn't against Germany and the CL final goal weren't crucial goals. One wasn't even a goal and the other game they lost. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Lampard scored a perfectly legitimate peach in the World Cup against Germany to be fair. Scored in CL final, CL semi finals and a great goal to win the FA cup final too. Both scored crucial goals when it mattered. The goal that wasn't against Germany and the CL final goal weren't crucial goals. One wasn't even a goal and the other game they lost. This is exactly why it's pointless having any debate with you like. You're just ridiculously stubborn when you've made up your mind about something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Lampard scored a perfectly legitimate peach in the World Cup against Germany to be fair. Scored in CL final, CL semi finals and a great goal to win the FA cup final too. Both scored crucial goals when it mattered. The goal that wasn't against Germany and the CL final goal weren't crucial goals. One wasn't even a goal and the other game they lost. This is exactly why it's pointless having any debate with you like. You're just ridiculously stubborn when you've made up your mind about something. So you are saying they are crucial goals. One that wasn't a goal and the other that made no difference whatsoever where the trophy ended up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDT Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Surely at the time the goal was scored it would have been seen as crucial given the context of the game? If you score the first goal in a cup final but go on to lose the game the goal you scored was still crucial at that time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Lampard scored a perfectly legitimate peach in the World Cup against Germany to be fair. Scored in CL final, CL semi finals and a great goal to win the FA cup final too. Both scored crucial goals when it mattered. The goal that wasn't against Germany and the CL final goal weren't crucial goals. One wasn't even a goal and the other game they lost. This is exactly why it's pointless having any debate with you like. You're just ridiculously stubborn when you've made up your mind about something. So you are saying they are crucial goals. One that wasn't a goal and the other that made no difference whatsoever where the trophy ended up? They're goals at the highest level. They're only crucial with hindsight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Exactly - examining how crucial a goal is and then adding weight to it retrospectively is a bit pointless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 I can never decide whether Billy's love of Gerrard contributes to his dislike of Lampard or vice versa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 I think what Arrigo Sacchi said about Gerrard explains the difference between him and Scholes. “When I was director of football at Real Madrid I had to evaluate the players coming through the youth ranks. We had some who were very good footballers. They had technique, they had athleticism, they had drive they were hungry. But they lacked what I call knowing-how-to-play-football. They lacked decision making. They lacked positioning. They didn’t have the subtle sensitivity of football: how a player should move within the collective. And for many I wasn’t sure they were going to learn. You see, strength, passion, technique, athleticism, all of these are very important. But they are a means to an end, not an end in itself. They help you reach your goal, which is putting your talent at the service of the team and, by doing this, making both of you and the team greater. In situations like that, I just have to say, Gerrard is a great footballer, but perhaps not a great player.” I don't even bother comparing Gerrard to Scholes, and I think talking about who scored what goals isn't that helpful when it comes to midfielders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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