Incognito Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 David Platt You're talking about a player that was first name on the team sheet in the Abramovich era and a midfielder that's Chelsea's all-time top scorer. Im talking about a goalscoring midfield player with little else to bring to the table. In fact with Platt im talking about 2 of them. Indeed of the two I'd take Platt because of his workrate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Howeh Billy. Think about it man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Sorry but both of those posts are nonsense. Lampard is a goalscoring midfield player with little else in his arsenal. He isnt quick, he doesnt beat players nor win the ball nor play defence splitting passes. All staple parts of a quality midfielder. Some, like Gerrard, did all. There's the difference. I wouldn't say that Gerrard is renowned for his speed or ability to beat players. I would say Lampard has better vision, is more intelligent in his use of the ball and the way he timed his runs, and was a better/more effective passer of the ball than Gerrard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Sorry but both of those posts are nonsense. Lampard is a goalscoring midfield player with little else in his arsenal. He isnt quick, he doesnt beat players nor win the ball nor play defence splitting passes. All staple parts of a quality midfielder. Some, like Gerrard, did all. There's the difference. I wouldn't say that Gerrard is renowned for his speed or ability to beat players. I would say Lampard has better vision, is more intelligent in his use of the ball and the way he timed his runs, and was a better/more effective passer of the ball than Gerrard. I can honestly say that the game against Costa Rica was the first time that Lampards passing actually caught my eye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 FWIW, he has the 3rd highest amount of assists in Premier League history...4 behind Gerrard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 FWIW, he has the 3rd highest amount of assists in Premier League history...4 behind Gerrard. How many deflected shots? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 No point in this, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 By the way Gerrard has played 100 less League Games than Lampard too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Mate, it's a pointless discussion. If you're adamant that Lampard is simply a goal-scoring midfielder then godspeed to you. In my opinion it's absolute guff, but I can't be arsed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 By the way Gerrard has played 100 less League Games than Lampard too. Generally in a far worse team too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 By the way Gerrard has played 100 less League Games than Lampard too. Generally in a far worse team too. Didn't Lampard play a fair few of those games for West Ham?? Gerrard - 475 games for Liverpool, Lampard - 429 for Chelsea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 By the way Gerrard has played 100 less League Games than Lampard too. Generally in a far worse team too. Didn't Lampard play a fair few of those games for West Ham?? Gerrard - 475 games for Liverpool, Lampard - 429 for Chelsea. Yeah. Hence the "generally". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 In Lampard's case, for a midfielder to be his club's all-time leading goalscorer is a fantastic feat, even though his team were nearly always much better than the opposition. He was an outstanding finisher. Gerrard though could produce moments that would take your breath away - like that equalising goal from 35 yards against West Ham in the Cup Final. That combination of power and skill sets him above the rest IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 In Lampard's case, for a midfielder to be his club's all-time leading goalscorer is a fantastic feat, even though his team were nearly always much better than the opposition. He was an outstanding finisher. Gerrard though could produce moments that would take your breath away - like that equalising goal from 35 yards against West Ham in the Cup Final. That combination of power and skill sets him above the rest IMO. Agreed. And his goal against Germany in 2001. Phenomenal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 In Lampard's case, for a midfielder to be his club's all-time leading goalscorer is a fantastic feat, even though his team were nearly always much better than the opposition. He was an outstanding finisher. Gerrard though could produce moments that would take your breath away - like that equalising goal from 35 yards against West Ham in the Cup Final. That combination of power and skill sets him above the rest IMO. Agreed. And his goal against Germany in 2001. Phenomenal. That CL goal in stoppage time too at home too, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 In Lampard's case, for a midfielder to be his club's all-time leading goalscorer is a fantastic feat, even though his team were nearly always much better than the opposition. He was an outstanding finisher. Gerrard though could produce moments that would take your breath away - like that equalising goal from 35 yards against West Ham in the Cup Final. That combination of power and skill sets him above the rest IMO. Absolutely convinced that if you looked through Lampard's catalogue of goals, you would find goals of that calibre in there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 You certainly would. Everton away in 2006, left foot chip against Hull, that goal against Barca in the CL. Incredible strikes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 In Lampard's case, for a midfielder to be his club's all-time leading goalscorer is a fantastic feat, even though his team were nearly always much better than the opposition. He was an outstanding finisher. Gerrard though could produce moments that would take your breath away - like that equalising goal from 35 yards against West Ham in the Cup Final. That combination of power and skill sets him above the rest IMO. Absolutely convinced that if you looked through Lampard's catalogue of goals, you would find goals of that calibre in there. It's not about the calibre it's when they are scored that's the point here. Lampard to be fair to him has done it at crucial times too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 His chip against Hull as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 In Lampard's case, for a midfielder to be his club's all-time leading goalscorer is a fantastic feat, even though his team were nearly always much better than the opposition. He was an outstanding finisher. Gerrard though could produce moments that would take your breath away - like that equalising goal from 35 yards against West Ham in the Cup Final. That combination of power and skill sets him above the rest IMO. Absolutely convinced that if you looked through Lampard's catalogue of goals, you would find goals of that calibre in there. It's not about the calibre it's when they are scored that's the point here. Lampard to be fair to him has done it at crucial times too. But that feeds into the argument that was going on around Messi - I don't know how you can judge a player on moments in a match of particular importance that rely purely on chance and/or the performance of your team mates. There is no reason whatsoever to think that if a similar ball had dropped to Lampard in a FA Cup Final as it did for Gerrard against West Ham, that Lampard might have scored the exact same goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 See the Gerrard goals come in Cup Finals or International games away in Germany, Lampards come in League games versus Hull or Everton [emoji1] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Lampard scored a perfectly legitimate peach in the World Cup against Germany to be fair. Scored in CL final, CL semi finals and a great goal to win the FA cup final too. Both scored crucial goals when it mattered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 In Lampard's case, for a midfielder to be his club's all-time leading goalscorer is a fantastic feat, even though his team were nearly always much better than the opposition. He was an outstanding finisher. Gerrard though could produce moments that would take your breath away - like that equalising goal from 35 yards against West Ham in the Cup Final. That combination of power and skill sets him above the rest IMO. Absolutely convinced that if you looked through Lampard's catalogue of goals, you would find goals of that calibre in there. It's not about the calibre it's when they are scored that's the point here. Lampard to be fair to him has done it at crucial times too. But that feeds into the argument that was going on around Messi - I don't know how you can judge a player on moments in a match of particular importance that rely purely on chance and/or the performance of your team mates. There is no reason whatsoever to think that if a similar ball had dropped to Lampard in a FA Cup Final as it did for Gerrard against West Ham, that Lampard might have scored the exact same goal. No there isnt and as I said Lampard has scored a crucial goal or two in the big games. But Gerrard did do it and more than once too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Always remember him going around the 'keeper away to Bolton to seal the title as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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