Taylor Swift Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 If they're both on merit then there's no difference. Tell me why you think it is different. I think you actually agree that both are on the same spectrum. I think some people just take the fact that many appeals for yellow cards are appeals for the sake of appealing and have thus concluded that all appeals of this sort are without merit, but obviously that's not the most reasonable thing to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 If they're both on merit then there's no difference. Tell me why you think it is different. I think you actually agree that both are on the same spectrum. I think some people just take the fact that many appeals for yellow cards are appeals for the sake of appealing and have thus concluded that all appeals of this sort are without merit, but obviously that's not the most reasonable thing to do. actually i think appealing for free kicks and cards are totally different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 Explain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 Explain. for a free kick you get the decision which directly affects the passage of play where as a booking doesn't. also calling for a foul is a lot more instinctive than waving an imaginary card. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 Paul Scholes tackle today...it wasn't malicious but very late and ultimately very dangerous. Had a free-kick been given but not a card, do those of you who think it's wrong, believe it would have been, to suggest he should have been sent off? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 I do not see why anyone has a problem with this. It is no different than players asking for any other decision. When someone kicks you, you ask for a foul. When someone kicks you repeatedly or with excessive force, you ask for a card. If this actually has an influence on any referee, that person should be relieved of their employment. Its fucking un profesional and bordering cheating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 Paul Scholes tackle today...it wasn't malicious but very late and ultimately very dangerous. Had a free-kick been given but not a card, do those of you who think it's wrong, believe it would have been, to suggest he should have been sent off? Did any City players wave cards at the ref? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 Paul Scholes tackle today...it wasn't malicious but very late and ultimately very dangerous. Had a free-kick been given but not a card, do those of you who think it's wrong, believe it would have been, to suggest he should have been sent off? Did any City players wave cards at the ref? I genuinely don't know... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 Paul Scholes tackle today...it wasn't malicious but very late and ultimately very dangerous. Had a free-kick been given but not a card, do those of you who think it's wrong, believe it would have been, to suggest he should have been sent off? not by a player, no. or should players have the right to tell the ref what they think of every decision ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 Paul Scholes tackle today...it wasn't malicious but very late and ultimately very dangerous. Had a free-kick been given but not a card, do those of you who think it's wrong, believe it would have been, to suggest he should have been sent off? Did any City players wave cards at the ref? I genuinely don't know... So why ask? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 It's a cunt's trick. Never really like seeing it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 Paul Scholes tackle today...it wasn't malicious but very late and ultimately very dangerous. Had a free-kick been given but not a card, do those of you who think it's wrong, believe it would have been, to suggest he should have been sent off? not by a player, no. or should players have the right to tell the ref what they think of every decision ? It was potentially a leg breaking/career ending tackle, and with the game being played at such a fast pace and in such an intense atmosphere, I personally think it would be unfair to suggest that players should not react by asking for the ultimate penalty to be paid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 Paul Scholes tackle today...it wasn't malicious but very late and ultimately very dangerous. Had a free-kick been given but not a card, do those of you who think it's wrong, believe it would have been, to suggest he should have been sent off? Did any City players wave cards at the ref? I genuinely don't know... So why ask? Why not ask? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 Paul Scholes tackle today...it wasn't malicious but very late and ultimately very dangerous. Had a free-kick been given but not a card, do those of you who think it's wrong, believe it would have been, to suggest he should have been sent off? Did any City players wave cards at the ref? I genuinely don't know... So why ask? Why not ask? why ask "so why ask" ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 Paul Scholes tackle today...it wasn't malicious but very late and ultimately very dangerous. Had a free-kick been given but not a card, do those of you who think it's wrong, believe it would have been, to suggest he should have been sent off? Did any City players wave cards at the ref? I genuinely don't know... So why ask? Why not ask? Thread title: Players calling for cards - acceptable or not. You ask a question completely off topic as to whether people would think the ref got it wrong had he decided different. What actually is your point? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 Paul Scholes tackle today...it wasn't malicious but very late and ultimately very dangerous. Had a free-kick been given but not a card, do those of you who think it's wrong, believe it would have been, to suggest he should have been sent off? Did any City players wave cards at the ref? I genuinely don't know... So why ask? Why not ask? Thread title: Players calling for cards - acceptable or not. You ask a question completely off topic as to whether people would think the ref got it wrong had he decided different. What actually is your point? It's not completely off topic considering it was involving a theoretical discussion about a bad tackle, and whether or not other players have the right to appeal to the referee. It was a perfectly useful example, in order to make my point (about the scenario being key), more clear. This was after all a theoretical discussion anyways, wasn't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 But NOBODY appealed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 Paul Scholes tackle today...it wasn't malicious but very late and ultimately very dangerous. Had a free-kick been given but not a card, do those of you who think it's wrong, believe it would have been, to suggest he should have been sent off? not by a player, no. or should players have the right to tell the ref what they think of every decision ? It was potentially a leg breaking/career ending tackle, and with the game being played at such a fast pace and in such an intense atmosphere, I personally think it would be unfair to suggest that players should not react by asking for the ultimate penalty to be paid. Not really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 Paul Scholes tackle today...it wasn't malicious but very late and ultimately very dangerous. Had a free-kick been given but not a card, do those of you who think it's wrong, believe it would have been, to suggest he should have been sent off? not by a player, no. or should players have the right to tell the ref what they think of every decision ? It was potentially a leg breaking/career ending tackle, and with the game being played at such a fast pace and in such an intense atmosphere, I personally think it would be unfair to suggest that players should not react by asking for the ultimate penalty to be paid. why doesn't it happen in other sports ? why do those partaking leave it to the ref and if he gets it wrong then thats the game ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 But NOBODY appealed Hence the term, theoretical discussion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 Paul Scholes tackle today...it wasn't malicious but very late and ultimately very dangerous. Had a free-kick been given but not a card, do those of you who think it's wrong, believe it would have been, to suggest he should have been sent off? not by a player, no. or should players have the right to tell the ref what they think of every decision ? It was potentially a leg breaking/career ending tackle, and with the game being played at such a fast pace and in such an intense atmosphere, I personally think it would be unfair to suggest that players should not react by asking for the ultimate penalty to be paid. Not really. Yeah it was, could have easily broke his leg going in that high. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 There's no corollary to a card to wave about when you want a foul and play continues. To me that's the distinction. "appealing" for a foul is more out of exasperation. asking for a card is like being greedy, since you've already got a free kick out of it. re: the scholes thing - dressing up the situation in emotional language and action phrases doesn't mean anything. your post could have read "it was .. a ... tackle. I personally think ... players should ... react by asking for the ultimate penalty to be paid." And it's wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 Paul Scholes tackle today...it wasn't malicious but very late and ultimately very dangerous. Had a free-kick been given but not a card, do those of you who think it's wrong, believe it would have been, to suggest he should have been sent off? not by a player, no. or should players have the right to tell the ref what they think of every decision ? It was potentially a leg breaking/career ending tackle, and with the game being played at such a fast pace and in such an intense atmosphere, I personally think it would be unfair to suggest that players should not react by asking for the ultimate penalty to be paid. Not really. Yeah it was, could have easily broke his leg going in that high. How often do players break their femur? Can't recollect seeing it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 Paul Scholes tackle today...it wasn't malicious but very late and ultimately very dangerous. Had a free-kick been given but not a card, do those of you who think it's wrong, believe it would have been, to suggest he should have been sent off? not by a player, no. or should players have the right to tell the ref what they think of every decision ? It was potentially a leg breaking/career ending tackle, and with the game being played at such a fast pace and in such an intense atmosphere, I personally think it would be unfair to suggest that players should not react by asking for the ultimate penalty to be paid. Not really. Yeah it was, could have easily broke his leg going in that high. How often do players break their femur? Can't recollect seeing it. or their thigh bone ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 Paul Scholes tackle today...it wasn't malicious but very late and ultimately very dangerous. Had a free-kick been given but not a card, do those of you who think it's wrong, believe it would have been, to suggest he should have been sent off? not by a player, no. or should players have the right to tell the ref what they think of every decision ? It was potentially a leg breaking/career ending tackle, and with the game being played at such a fast pace and in such an intense atmosphere, I personally think it would be unfair to suggest that players should not react by asking for the ultimate penalty to be paid. Not really. Yeah it was, could have easily broke his leg going in that high. How often do players break their femur? Can't recollect seeing it. or their thigh bone ? ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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