Tiresias Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Wonga are at least more directly harmful, albeit haven't crashed the whole financial system etc... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Wonga are at least more directly harmful, albeit haven't crashed the whole financial system etc... they are upfront, barclays wear a mask and have more effect that has repurcussions for everyone, ALL OF US, not just those who bank with them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Have to say, it's really weird that people are jumping to the conclusion that he has any other agenda than just not wanting to wear the shirt. just seems a lame thing to take a stand on given he's been ok with it in the past. I think we need to realise that Wonga are a lot worse than Virgin Money. and barclays ? Obviously big banks have done more widespread damage than Wonga ever could, but you know that people's moral systems don't always work like that. I mean, we were raging about Wonga but I can't remember many posts saying we shouldn't be in a league sponsored by Barclays. Anyway, you could argue that he's not endorsing Barclays by playing in the PL... it's a much more indirect link. I just don't see any evidence from the guy and how he's been that suggest he would be making this up to force an exit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 If Wonga are bad what does that make all the alcohol and gambling companies? Alcohol and gambling cause plenty of society's problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 I think they're all pretty dodgy, at least proper banks invest in businesses etc, why can't we be sponsored by something nice and fluffy and respectable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Have to say, it's really weird that people are jumping to the conclusion that he has any other agenda than just not wanting to wear the shirt. just seems a lame thing to take a stand on given he's been ok with it in the past. I think we need to realise that Wonga are a lot worse than Virgin Money. and barclays ? Obviously big banks have done more widespread damage than Wonga ever could, but you know that people's moral systems don't always work like that. I mean, we were raging about Wonga but I can't remember many posts saying we shouldn't be in a league sponsored by Barclays. Anyway, you could argue that he's not endorsing Barclays by playing in the PL... it's a much more indirect link. I just don't see any evidence from the guy and how he's been that suggest he would be making this up to force an exit. i did, i brought it up straight away. i just think people only see the problem because of the position we were in. had we been top 3 and recently broke the world transfer record with the money bot all would have been said. as for endorsing barclays, all he's doing is wearing a badge on the top he gets paid for wearing, just like the wonga one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbers Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 My bank charges six quid a day if you are overdrawn regardless of the amount you are overdrawn, people who are overdrawn are normally in the soup financially. Im sure most banks do the same which makes them worse than the short term loan companies imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 He was great when he first arrived and although not so good last season his goals kept us up. Seems he wants away and using Wonga as an excuse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoranBadlund Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 He was great when he first arrived and although not so good last season his goals kept us up. Seems he wants away and using Wonga as an excuse. Based on what exactly? Pure speculation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WashyGeordie Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Mo' money, mo' problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 He was great when he first arrived and although not so good last season his goals kept us up. Seems he wants away and using Wonga as an excuse. I'm sick of reading this shit. it's exactly that... baseless bullshit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 My bank charges six quid a day if you are overdrawn regardless of the amount you are overdrawn, people who are overdrawn are normally in the soup financially. Im sure most banks do the same which makes them worse than the short term loan companies imo. Another irony of course being that some of the things that force people into these type of loans are alcohol & gambling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Big business stinks. We know. It's not a new phenomenon. What Barclays and co. do behind closed doors is unjustifiable but these services are not directly marketed to the public. We're not advertising reckless investment banking or cluster bombs. Wonga are a payday loan company. That's their service, that's what we advertise. By getting into bed with them we further legitimise loan sharking. If you can't understand why this may cause consternation for Cisse then you're beyond help I'm afraid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Big business stinks. We know. It's not a new phenomenon. What Barclays and co. do behind closed doors is unjustifiable but these services are not directly marketed to the public. We're not advertising reckless investment banking or cluster bombs. Wonga are a payday loan company. That's their service, that's what we advertise. By getting into bed with them we further legitimise loan sharking. If you can't understand why this may cause consternation for Cisse then you're beyond help I'm afraid. How does that square with him gambling then ?. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WashyGeordie Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 He was great when he first arrived and although not so good last season his goals kept us up. Seems he wants away and using Wonga as an excuse. I'm sick of reading this s***. it's exactly that... baseless bullshit Well it's not baseless (as such) 'cos nufc.com are using it... Must be the same baseless bullshit as the Ramadan excuse then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Big business stinks. We know. It's not a new phenomenon. What Barclays and co. do behind closed doors is unjustifiable but these services are not directly marketed to the public. We're not advertising reckless investment banking or cluster bombs. Wonga are a payday loan company. That's their service, that's what we advertise. By getting into bed with them we further legitimise loan sharking. If you can't understand why this may cause consternation for Cisse then you're beyond help I'm afraid. does it matter if the services are directly advertised to the public ? you'd be ok with union carbide being our sponsor then, vodafone, etc ? all morally objectionable. if you want to stertch it that way, pay day lending and loan sharking are different things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 I think it's reasonable to think he has an alternative motive. I don't think the religious grounds stands up. Religion is rigid, surely god says no interest, not "thou shalt not demand interest above a specific critical interest threshold" - religion is about absolute morality. That's where moral grounds would be more reasonable. On religious grounds he should not have been wearing Virgin Money either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Big business stinks. We know. It's not a new phenomenon. What Barclays and co. do behind closed doors is unjustifiable but these services are not directly marketed to the public. We're not advertising reckless investment banking or cluster bombs. Wonga are a payday loan company. That's their service, that's what we advertise. By getting into bed with them we further legitimise loan sharking. If you can't understand why this may cause consternation for Cisse then you're beyond help I'm afraid. How does that square with him gambling then ?. Why can't he gamble with his own money? He's not set a roulette wheel up on Percy Street for fucks sake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Big business stinks. We know. It's not a new phenomenon. What Barclays and co. do behind closed doors is unjustifiable but these services are not directly marketed to the public. We're not advertising reckless investment banking or cluster bombs. Wonga are a payday loan company. That's their service, that's what we advertise. By getting into bed with them we further legitimise loan sharking. If you can't understand why this may cause consternation for Cisse then you're beyond help I'm afraid. How does that square with him gambling then ?. Why can't he gamble with his own money? He's not set a roulette wheel up on Percy Street for f***s sake. does islam say gambling is ok with your own money ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 He's also not putting other people's money into taking out a loan so that's not a great comparison. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 He's also not putting other people's money into taking out a loan so that's not a great comparison. He's advertising a service, encouraging people to use it. I wouldn't feel comfortable in his position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Big business stinks. We know. It's not a new phenomenon. What Barclays and co. do behind closed doors is unjustifiable but these services are not directly marketed to the public. We're not advertising reckless investment banking or cluster bombs. Wonga are a payday loan company. That's their service, that's what we advertise. By getting into bed with them we further legitimise loan sharking. If you can't understand why this may cause consternation for Cisse then you're beyond help I'm afraid. It's a bit of a jump to believe that Cisse gives a shit about Wonga's questionable morality like, I don't think that's what he's apparently making a stand against here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Big business stinks. We know. It's not a new phenomenon. What Barclays and co. do behind closed doors is unjustifiable but these services are not directly marketed to the public. We're not advertising reckless investment banking or cluster bombs. Wonga are a payday loan company. That's their service, that's what we advertise. By getting into bed with them we further legitimise loan sharking. If you can't understand why this may cause consternation for Cisse then you're beyond help I'm afraid. How does that square with him gambling then ?. Why can't he gamble with his own money? He's not set a roulette wheel up on Percy Street for fucks sake. Against his religion, so he can cherry pick then ?. So if we were sponsored by a betting company who prey on people with addiction, what would he do then ?. You can't have it both ways, you back him up yet overlook obvious contradictions. Fair enough for fucks sake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 He's also not putting other people's money into taking out a loan so that's not a great comparison. He's advertising a service, encouraging people to use it. I wouldn't feel comfortable in his position. He's also not putting other people's money into taking out a loan so that's not a great comparison. He's advertising a service, encouraging people to use it. I wouldn't feel comfortable in his position. He's also not putting other people's money into taking out a loan so that's not a great comparison. He's advertising a service, encouraging people to use it. I wouldn't feel comfortable in his position. Again, would that not be the same with a gambling company? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 If you don't know gambling is against his religion, well then you're beyond help I'm afraid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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