Alan Pardew

[Dave]

I don't think there is a manager in the world that would complain having too much players to use. Man, Pardew has no say on human resources. If you blame him for having too little players you are actually asking why he didn't resign and tell Ashley to fuck off, or why not start a war against Ashley publicly.

 

Bit galling to hear him publicly licking Ashley's arse every other week then, isn't it.

[Zero]

True. Cannot deny that, fucking annoying.

[Dave]

Anyway I'm just desperately hoping Pardew is brave and doesn't step away from the setup and passing philosophy that has been much more present recently. To be fair to him he did that at Arsenal when I was expecting him to abandon it after shipping four at Old Trafford, but letting in another seven is something else entirely. It's to his credit that he's trying something different, but results aren't really improving. I'd much rather he stick with the principle of going after teams than trying to keep the ball in the air though, even if it takes a while longer to see the rewards.

[Guest tollemache]

Exactly what I'd do in his position... Think my opinion of the chairman who'd given me an absolutely giant contract extension would be quite high.

[Mick]

Exactly what I'd do in his position... Think my opinion of the chairman who'd given me an absolutely giant contract extension would be quite high.

 

[Guest tollemache]

Anyway I'm just desperately hoping Pardew is brave and doesn't step away from the setup and passing philosophy that has been much more present recently. To be fair to him he did that at Arsenal when I was expecting him to abandon it after shipping four at Old Trafford, but letting in another seven is something else entirely. It's to his credit that he's trying something different, but results aren't really improving. I'd much rather he stick with the principle of going after teams than trying to keep the ball in the air, even if it takes a while to see the rewards.

 

People post about the improvement in attacking play as though it's a total accident and Pardew is waiting in the wings desperate to reinstate his beloved hoofball.

 

He announced absolutely ages ago that his plan was to start off quite basic and try to build a more positive style of play as the squad got stronger and more confident playing together. Towards the end of last season you could see that had started to happen. The regression at the start of this season (whyever it happened, and I'm not sure we know the full story on that) was obviously not what he'd planned, and there's no reason to suspect he's changed his mind about trying to build a more fluent, attacking side, either since he publicly broadcast that intention many months ago or since actually starting to get it together when confidence was high earlier this year.

 

How uncharitable do you want to be?

[Ronaldo]

The regression is mainly due to stagnation which is the fault, primarily, of the owner. The same owner you defend, mate.

[Guest neesy111]

Ashley is one of the the most clueless people in the history of football and he simply doesn't care enough about us to want us to succeed properly.

[mrmojorisin75]

Anyway I'm just desperately hoping Pardew is brave and doesn't step away from the setup and passing philosophy that has been much more present recently. To be fair to him he did that at Arsenal when I was expecting him to abandon it after shipping four at Old Trafford, but letting in another seven is something else entirely. It's to his credit that he's trying something different, but results aren't really improving. I'd much rather he stick with the principle of going after teams than trying to keep the ball in the air though, even if it takes a while longer to see the rewards.

 

seems to me change has been largely forced on pardew due to the injuries of cabaye, jonas & HBA, had they been fit throughout i don't think he'd have changed anything at all

 

oddly similar to last season when we played some great stuff and ended the season well thinking "hopefully he's seen that good football is the way forward", then he does what he did at the start of this season

 

test starts now, he had free passes vs. manyoo & arse but if we can't open everton up things are going to start looking grim again...i was initially convinced we'd be fine but as always happens teams down below will pick up results and we'll start to slide

[Zero]

In an ideal world, what Pardew should do is to play this open style against weaker teams and bring back his rigid direct approach against big 4 teams. Due to many factors, he somewhat did the opposite, and we are now in deep trouble.

 

I personally arent really sure whether he should go or not. I think it is actually valid to bring in a new manager, even if a poor one like di Matteo, to restore the squad confidence, calm them down and start collect the points we should easily have. We would be 99% safe if we do so. But then, I actually think it is also a great loss for giving up all the works Pardew has done and the rewards he would bring to us IF he really learn his lesson. He has shown he actually knows how to play two different styles of football which is actually quite rare nowadays. He also has shown that he can "work" along with Ashley which is again very hard to achieve. And most importantly, he still has the faith from some of our most important players e.g. Ben Arfa, which there is absolutely no guarantee that they would have faith on our new one as well. this is especially true for Ben Arfa, who has fallen out with nearly ALL managers he has had so far except Pardew.  Despite the results, I actually see many positives out there IF we could survive from this crisis.

[mrmojorisin75]

In an ideal world, what Pardew should do is to play this open style against weaker teams and bring back his rigid direct approach against big 4 teams. Due to many factors, he somewhat did the opposite, and we are now in deep trouble.

 

the open style was forced on him due largely to injuries and his awful decision to approach the games against the shitter teams in such a cowardly way

 

last chance saloon for alan cowardew for me, if he reverts back to the direct game at any time now he can fuck right off like, unfortunately if the club support him with a couple of defenders i think that's exactly what he'll do

[Zero]

Mrmojorisin, let me clarify it here again, last season we didn't play an open style like now, we just continue our rigid approach with good integration of counter attack on ground base on Ben Arfa's talents. These few matches were the first time Pardew has adopted such an open style. Those counter attacks were good to watch but if you remember we didn't control the match but just sit back to wait for counter attack.

[High Five o]

The regression is mainly due to stagnation which is the fault, primarily, of the owner. The same owner you defend, mate.

 

Sometimes i think about this, the owner "we" defend.

I could go on about as much as i hate him, but we are in a position that we are owned by him, and there is little or nothing to do about it.

Remember when he bought us, i was fucking naive, thought we have won the lottery ffs. 

 

I have defended him, and criticized him, but it all ends up in the same, he is here, Some try to be positive, some negative.

 

[mrmojorisin75]

Mrmojorisin, let me clarify it here again, last season we didn't play an open style like now, we just continue our rigid approach with good integration of counter attack on ground base on Ben Arfa's talents. These few matches were the first time Pardew has adopted such an open style. Those counter attacks were good to watch but if you remember we didn't control the match but just sit back to wait for counter attack.

 

so....?

[Dave]

Both Ashley and Pardew are here for the long term IMO, there's no point anyone concerning themselves about either changing any time soon. All we can do is call it as we see it.

[mrmojorisin75]

Both Ashley and Pardew are here for the long term IMO, there's no point anyone concerning themselves about either changing any time soon. All we can do is call it as we see it.

[Guest tollemache]

The regression is mainly due to stagnation which is the fault, primarily, of the owner. The same owner you defend, mate.

 

I don't think half a season is enough time to be talking about stagnation. The owner failed, in one transfer window, to bring in a defender and perhaps one other player, at a point where the team wasn't in horrendous shape and had just finished 5th, showing signs in the process of a burgeoning confidence and fluency in the first team. I / we don't really have enough information to know whether those one or two missed signings happened because he was at fault or whether it happened because he was unlucky. I will say that if it happened owing to having a sustainable transfer policy in place and being unwilling to ditch it, I don't think he was at fault. The idea that he should've just chucked more money at it and if he doesn't he lacks ambition I think is a bit daft.

 

 

[Zero]

So stop saying that we "invent" something great last season and suddenly Pardew wanted to fuck up himself and use the direct approach again.

[Ronaldo]

The regression is mainly due to stagnation which is the fault, primarily, of the owner. The same owner you defend, mate.

 

I don't think half a season is enough time to be talking about stagnation. The owner failed, in one transfer window, to bring in a defender

 

 

Since 2008 we've spent less than £2m on the central defence, man. That's not failing in one transfer window; it's perpetual madness across several.

[mrmojorisin75]

for me it comes down to this in judgement of pardew's mangerial performance this season: we have arguably the best attacking line-up outside of the big boys, certainly on paper, with some fine technical footballers, a good mix of pace and skill through the midfield to two top quality CF's albeit ones that don't necessarily complement each other

 

with all of that pardew has chosen to have the team play a cautious, direct game which for most of the season to date has nullified almost all of the strengths we do have in the squad

 

there isn't a manager out there bar 3-4 who could say they're 100% happy with their squads therefore i'm not buying injuries and/or ashley didn't but whoever to excuse pardew...he's got it massively, massively wrong to this point in the season and that's all their is to it for me

 

yes williamson is shit and so is simpson but a manager has to mitigate these things, the way you don't mitigate them is by playing a game that puts constant pressure on your defence and puts your attacking midfielders on the back foot every game...at least, as we've seen, if we go out and let the attackers play then we'll still concede but we'll be in with a chance of scoring and against weaker teams we'll be in with a strong chance of scoring more than them

 

he's out of excuses for me now, but as dave said, he ain't going nowhere baby

[Guest tollemache]

Last season's defence was pretty good? Williamson played out of his skin at times, ditto Taylor. You'd look at the centre of defence at that point and think, "one more would be nice". The main concern was depth - the idea that Williamson had been playing a bit above himself, Taylor was prone to injury and it'd be nice to have them in reserve and someone solid alongside Coloccini. Fact remains, we put out a back four for most of last season that acquitted itself very well, so I don't think it's particularly worth complaining that we didn't buy a star centre half in 2010.

 

It IS worth complaining that we didn't buy one this summer, but as I say, the owner and manager seem to be aware of that and tried to do otherwise. It's not like they've just seen a weakness in the defence and then chosen not to reinforce it.

[mrmojorisin75]

So stop saying that we "invent" something great last season and suddenly Pardew wanted to fuck up himself and use the direct approach again.

 

who me?  i didn't say anyone invented anything, in fact the opposite imo...HBA from the mackems game on more or less forced his hand to play the way we did at the end of last season..he made himself undroppable and built an understanding with cisse & ba...that in itself should have been built on by the manager

 

it was not

 

 

[Mick]

Last season's defence was pretty good? Williamson played out of his skin at times, ditto Taylor. You'd look at the centre of defence at that point and think, "one more would be nice". The main concern was depth - the idea that Williamson had been playing a bit above himself, Taylor was prone to injury and it'd be nice to have them in reserve and someone solid alongside Coloccini. Fact remains, we put out a back four for most of last season that acquitted itself very well, so I don't think it's particularly worth complaining that we didn't buy a star centre half in 2010.

 

It IS worth complaining that we didn't buy one this summer, but as I say, the owner and manager seem to be aware of that and tried to do otherwise. It's not like they've just seen a weakness in the defence and then chosen not to reinforce it.

 

We needed to replace the same 2 defenders in the last window as we do now, Williamson and Simpson.  On top of that we lost 2 forwards who made 43 appearances between them.  We've brought in Anita who has replaced Guthrie and a few kids who replaced other kids that the club let go.

[Guest tollemache]

That's why we tried to sign Douglas (to supercede Williamson) and Debuchy (to supercede Simpson). It didn't happen. So there's no argument over what the club needs because the owner clearly agrees with you. It's just a question of the extent to which you splash the cash and I'm less inclined than most to deduce from the fact that we missed out on those two that we necessarily lack ambition, or that anyone is necessarily acting against the club's best long-term interests.

[Mick]

That's why we tried to sign Douglas (to supercede Williamson) and Debuchy (to supercede Simpson). It didn't happen. So there's no argument over what the club needs because the owner clearly agrees with you. It's just a question of the extent to which you splash the cash and I'm less inclined than most to deduce from the fact that we missed out on those two that we necessarily lack ambition, or that anyone is necessarily acting against the club's best long-term interests.

 

We didn't try hard enough then did we, and at this time it's cost the club potentially £7,500,000 in prize money.  Also, the loss of not bringing in the two players we required will probably have a knock on effect and make it even more difficuilt to bring in the type of player that we want.  It's easier to bring somebody into a team who have just finished 5th than it is to bring players into a 15th placed team.