Rafalove Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 5 minutes ago, UncleBingo said: I must have imagined the Daily Mail talking about a dark day, and some of the other nonsense I've read in the last 24 hours. I've read much more about his nationality than I have his ability/achievements. And? I don’t think a non English person should have the job. Especially from a historical rival. It’s an embarrassment that we’ve had to go for a foreign manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 31 minutes ago, UncleBingo said: Entirely expected and xenophobic reaction to his appointment from the usual toxic shitcunts in the UK 'media'. I really, really hope he's a success. Shearer and Redknapp’s hissy fits the best thing about the appointment so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 I do think England (and most biggish footballing countries) should do their absolute best to hire and English manager. If there's not an obvious answer available, then of course we have to look at the forrins. Obviously I've no idea what Potter might have said to them, if he was even in consideration, but he would have my preferred option. As soon as you move on from him and Howe, who I don't think would've been interested, we pretty much had to hire a foreign manager as the drop off after them two is massive. Now, do I care, or think that anyone should care, that Tuchel is German? Absolutely not, stop being ridiculous. I also think that he is probably the best or biggest manager available that would have taken the job, so fair play to the FA for landing him. However, I don't particularly rate him that highly, in that I don't consider him to be quite the elite manager that I think the FA feels like they've got. I hope with him probably not looking to stay on forever (like most English managers might have hoped), that he'll be a bit more interesting in his selections and just go for it rather than playing it safe, which also suits his managerial style from what I've seen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleBingo Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 5 minutes ago, Rafalove said: And? I don’t think a non English person should have the job. Especially from a historical rival. It’s an embarrassment that we’ve had to go for a foreign manager. Grim. People like you are the embarrassment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 11 minutes ago, andycap said: He got a tune out of kane when he signed him at bayern. What an achievement! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 Righto. I mean what exactly is the point of international football if you’re just going to mix people from different countries? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 2 minutes ago, Rafalove said: Righto. I mean what exactly is the point of international football? Fyp Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 1 minute ago, Nobody said: Fyp You made it better, tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleBingo Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 4 minutes ago, Rafalove said: Righto. I mean what exactly is the point of international football if you’re just going to mix people from different countries? So where are you drawing the lines with the forrins, Nige? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 3 minutes ago, UncleBingo said: So where are you drawing the lines with the forrins, Nige? Oh Howay man, why the name calling? And to answer your question I would draw the lines, at anyone involved with the English national team. I mean this is what it’s about. The best of one country v another. If we’re going to mix then why not just do one league v another? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 Why is it grim and embarrassing to think national managers should have to qualify for the particular country, the same as the players have to? More than ever in modern football, the manager is the most important person in the entire set-up. Club football exists to cater to those who just want the best you can get in your team. The entire point of international football/sport is fun and usually harmless nationalism "your lot vs our lot, see who wins", not "one of ours is rubbish so we've got a ringer in" Are the other countries who only ever hire native managers all knuckle dragging xenophobic neanderthals as well? Or is it just the English who get accused of that? Are people genuinely not capable of having a conversation about international football eligibility without calling people names? It's proper pathetic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 Just now, Rafalove said: Oh Howay man, why the name calling? And to answer your question I would draw the lines, at anyone involved with the English national team. I mean this is what it’s about. The best of one country v another. If we’re going to mix then why not just do one league v another? As someone mentioned before, that means no physios, no stats analysis, no chefs, no kit manufacturer etc is allowed to be non English? And if the same rules apply for every country, how does the even the likes of Sweden or Ireland compete? Not to mention the countries that are much smaller than them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleBingo Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 2 minutes ago, Rafalove said: Oh Howay man, why the name calling? And to answer your question I would draw the lines, at anyone involved with the English national team. I mean this is what it’s about. The best of one country v another. If we’re going to mix then why not just do one league v another? Name calling? 🤣 So where do you draw the lines on a players ethinicty? Genuine question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 1 minute ago, Nobody said: As someone mentioned before, that means no physios, no stats analysis, no chefs, no kit manufacturer etc is allowed to be non English? And if the same rules apply for every country, how does the even the likes of Sweden or Ireland compete? Not to mention the countries that are much smaller than them But that is the rules for the players, and they can't compete (at the moment). But that's the rules! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 13 minutes ago, UncleBingo said: So where are you drawing the lines with the forrins, Nige? You think forrins should be playing for England too? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleBingo Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 4 minutes ago, Wullie said: Why is it grim and embarrassing to think national managers should have to qualify for the particular country, the same as the players have to? More than ever in modern football, the manager is the most important person in the entire set-up. Club football exists to cater to those who just want the best you can get in your team. The entire point of international football/sport is fun and usually harmless nationalism "your lot vs our lot, see who wins", not "one of ours is rubbish so we've got a ringer in" Are the other countries who only ever hire native managers all knuckle dragging xenophobic neanderthals as well? Or is it just the English who get accused of that? Are people genuinely not capable of having a conversation about international football eligibility without calling people names? It's proper pathetic. So, do you want FIFA to impose these rules or just the FA? Do you restrict this to players as well, or just employees? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 1 minute ago, UncleBingo said: Name calling? 🤣 So where do you draw the lines on a players ethinicty? Genuine question. Don't be disingenuous, we're not talking about Marc Guehi here, this is not a question of a disputed German granny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 1 minute ago, UncleBingo said: So, do you want FIFA to impose these rules or just the FA? Do you restrict this to players as well, or just employees? It's already restricted to players mate, that's why all the England players are English. Did you think it was coincidence? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleBingo Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 2 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: You think forrins should be playing for England too? Do you think only English born players have played for England? 🤣 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 Just now, UncleBingo said: Do you think only English born players have played for England? 🤣 Would you only consider people born in England as ever being English like? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleBingo Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 2 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: Would you only consider people born in England as ever being English like? Answer my question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 Just now, UncleBingo said: Name calling? 🤣 So where do you draw the lines on a players ethinicty? Genuine question. You called me “Nige”, to me it seems like that was an insult, and I would consider it to be so. If you didn’t mean it as such then fair enough. As for your question, I would say a player should atleast have some genuine connection to a country to be able to represent it. For example if a player migrates to a country and wants to represent said country then fine. If a player has never been to said country but has parents from that country I can maybe live with it, grand parents I think you’re pushing it a bit, but I’m not sure I would ban it. Tuchel though has no real connection to England, so he doesn’t even fall in to that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 (edited) 4 minutes ago, UncleBingo said: Answer my question. You say this like it was some sort of killer blow No they haven't, I'm happy with parents/grandparents granting eligibility as well as citizenship from being raised here. Edited October 16 by Hanshithispantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleBingo Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 3 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: You say this like it was some sort of killer blow No they haven't, I'm happy with parents/grandparents granting eligibility as well as citizenship from being raised here. Killer blow? Pipe down you daft cunt. 🤣 I just wanted to know where tou draw the line with your England for the English policy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 15 minutes ago, Wullie said: But that is the rules for the players, and they can't compete (at the moment). But that's the rules! So how far do you take it? Is anyone at the FA allowed to be non-English? Shouldn't Lee Carlsley have been a big no-no seeing as he is 'Irish' according to who he played for? Fwiw, I don't particularly care about this debate tbh, I see where you are coming from and kind of agree with you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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