Eddie Howe - Granted Freedom of Newcastle

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, JEToon said:

 

There are words after that bit bud. 

Sure, just not clear if you're singling out Gordon or suggesting a general malaise.  I'm honestly not having a go, just not sure what you're saying  

[JEToon]

3 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Sure, just not clear if you're singling out Gordon or suggesting a general malaise.  I'm honestly not having a go, just not sure what you're saying  

 

I have read it back and it reads pretty clear to me TBH 

[Checko]

3 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Sure, just not clear if you're singling out Gordon or suggesting a general malaise.  I'm honestly not having a go, just not sure what you're saying  

I think in the 'Time person of the year' context maybe - where it's the person who "for better or for worse... has done the most to influence the events of the year"

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, JEToon said:

 

I have read it back and it reads pretty clear to me TBH 

Fair enough - it isn't to me and would have taken less time to explain than to have a back-and-forth.  I still don't know if you're referring to Gordon re chances missed or the team generally.

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, Checko said:

I think in the 'Time person of the year' context maybe - where it's the person who "for better or for worse... has done the most to influence the events of the year"

Got you - like Hitler being 'TIme Man of the Year 1938', which wasn't because he was a little Lebowski urban achiever

[Kanj]

Said it the other day but it can be as simple as just taking your chances. Gordon putting away half of the ones he’s missed and we’re up in like 5-7th place. It’s really that simple. Get his mojo back and we’re firing. 
 

at this point we should be focusing on getting his head right. When he’s got that mentality that he’s unstoppable like he did last season there’s not many who can keep up with his energy and execution. 

 

 

Edited December 5, 2024 by Kanj

[TheBrownBottle]

I think the problems are far greater than simply missing a few chances.  The performances have been poor generally.  I'm not counting Liverpool - the players self-motivate for games like that.  Every club in the PL ups their game for games like this - and the vast majority don't have the talent we have at our disposal.

 

Next four games will be far more instructive as to whether or not a corner is turned.  We've been average to dogshit in far more games this season than we've been good.  Having watched pretty much all of our games I can't go with a narrative that we've been unlucky - we haven't.

[Holmesy]

There have been countless times in the past 6-7 games where our play around the box has been utter shite, and it highlights how much of a different proposition we would be if we had a proper #10 with some craft and guile. Someone in the Odegard mould but obviously not as expensive.

That little ball Isak played through to Hall is exactly what I mean. We need someone clever we could base our movement around who can do that every game. Isak has it in spades but he needs to be the one on the end of those balls ideally.

It would break our existing 4-3-3 setup but I don't think that's a bad thing if it gave us a new attacking dimension.

[JEToon]

30 minutes ago, Kanj said:

Said it the other day but it can be as simple as just taking your chances. Gordon putting away half of the ones he’s missed and we’re up in like 5-7th place. It’s really that simple. Get his mojo back and we’re firing. 
 

at this point we should be focusing on getting his head right. When he’s got that mentality that he’s unstoppable like he did last season there’s not many who can keep up with his energy and execution. 

 

 

 

 

100%, it is a pretty wild and erratic league where a fair old clutch of teams can just about beat anyone and a lot of it is around the edges and fine margins.

 

The chances Gordon missed v Brighton and Liverpool were relative sitters and massively change those games, as was the missed penalty and botched header at the back post v Everton.

 

The notion of free flowing easy on the eye football every other week where teams create multiple chances are great, there are as often when games aren’t like that and are decided by pretty fine details.

 

[The College Dropout]

We are good when we have space in behind to attack. Fast transitions. Especially at home against bigger sides. We’ve faced 4 of the top 5 at home, non away.  
 

Away from home against a midtable club that would be happy to nick it 1-0 or 0-0 we’ve largely been pants.  

[Ellis H]

Considering we’ve only got 3 genuinely good finishers in the squad (2 of which barely play) and a real lack of creativity it’s amazing we score so many goals. I think we averaged about 2.5 a game last year in all competitions.
 

Really does keep coming back to Howe getting far more out of a lot of these players than we could expect and we should remember that when people are sticking the knife in after a poor performance.

[DahnSahf]

40 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I think the problems are far greater than simply missing a few chances.  The performances have been poor generally.  I'm not counting Liverpool - the players self-motivate for games like that.  Every club in the PL ups their game for games like this - and the vast majority don't have the talent we have at our disposal.

 

I've been wondering recently if PSR issues have had an effect on the squad morale.

There was a general belief in the football world that we would be on the rise after the takeover. Players joined with that in mind. The realisation that fair competition is simply not going to be allowed might have caused a degree of demoralisation.

[TheBrownBottle]

4 minutes ago, Ellis H said:

Considering we’ve only got 3 genuinely good finishers in the squad (2 of which barely play) and a real lack of creativity it’s amazing we score so many goals. I think we averaged about 2.5 a game last year in all competitions.
 

Really does keep coming back to Howe getting far more out of a lot of these players than we could expect and we should remember that when people are sticking the knife in after a poor performance.

I'm tiring of reading that the squad is shite and that it is a miracle that Howe gets a tune out of them.

 

There are six players in the squad who have been capped by England in the last year or so.  We've two Brazilian internationals and an Italian international in midfield.  Isak is probably the second-best centre forward in the country.  And there is plenty of talent besides that.

 

Howe is a good manager - but the current squad has not been as good as the sum of its parts this season.  The idea that no-one could have done better is laughable tbh.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Ironically those England players (and Joelinton) got their caps because Howe had them playing so well. 

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, DahnSahf said:

 

I've been wondering recently if PSR issues have had an effect on the squad morale.

There was a general belief in the football world that we would be on the rise after the takeover. Players joined with that in mind. The realisation that fair competition is simply not going to be allowed might have caused a degree of demoralisation.

I suspect you might be right, but they should look at their agents in that case.  There were plenty of us who knew what the rules would mean - they weren't hidden.  I was scratching my head in 2020 / 2021 with the talk of spending insane sums.

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Ironically those England players (and Joelinton) got their caps because Howe had them playing so well. 

Joelinton definitely.  Pope, Wilson and Trippier were already internationals.  The irony is that I don't think Livramento has been worth his cap this season.

[nufcjmc]

1 minute ago, DahnSahf said:

 

I've been wondering recently if PSR issues have had an effect on the squad morale.

There was a general belief in the football world that we would be on the rise after the takeover. Players joined with that in mind. The realisation that fair competition is simply not going to be allowed might have caused a degree of demoralisation.

Craig no hope has suggested the dream sold is now further into thr future than those group sold a dream with training ground, stadium, European ambitious but didn't go as far to say it would cause an effect on the pitch. Howe having 1-2-1s with his players and his comment about if they feel they are champions league players play like one. 

 

The group dynamic does seem to have shifted from the together as one narrative. Players getting 1 year extensions, players still playing on last year on contract, older players coming to an end of their career. How we navigate this going forward may well have a baring on the medium and long term future of the clubs underlying performances. I hope it's seen as a positive and an opportunity. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, TheBrownBottle said:

Joelinton definitely.  Pope, Wilson and Trippier were already internationals.  The irony is that I don't think Livramento has been worth his cap this season.

I was thinking of Tino, Hall and Gordon. 

[gdm]

He’s on today’s Simon Jordon up front Podcast. 

 

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/up-front/id1683837570?i=1000679306982

 

 

Edited December 5, 2024 by gdm

[DahnSahf]

6 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I suspect you might be right, but they should look at their agents in that case.  There were plenty of us who knew what the rules would mean - they weren't hidden.  I was scratching my head in 2020 / 2021 with the talk of spending insane sums.

 

There were rules, yeah, but they started to tighten as soon as the takeover happened. I don't think it would have been so obvious to guys like Bruno that there would be a group of clubs that would go to any lengths to stop us.

[JEToon]

We have about the 7th/8th best squad in the league, we probably end the season in 7th/8th , taking the squad to 4th, was a fantastic achievement but we have a lot of work to do before we can expect that

[wyn davies]

Not convinced, has got a stay of execution 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 minute ago, JEToon said:

We have about the 7th/8th best squad in the league, we probably end the season in 7th/8th , taking the squad to 4th, was a fantastic achievement but we have a lot of work to do before we can expect that

I find it really hard to assess our squad, it has such extremes of good and poor. 
 

We can certainly put out a team that looks incredibly strong when everything is clicking. Especially with a player or two in Jan. 

[JEToon]

4 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I find it really hard to assess our squad, it has such extremes of good and poor. 
 

We can certainly put out a team that looks incredibly strong when everything is clicking. Especially with a player or two in Jan. 

 

I think it’s a good squad, I just think some have a slight tendency to overlook how good other squads are.

 

It gets said we have international players like it is some exclusive to us thing, its not, loads of teams in the league have good international players. 

[The College Dropout]

It’s factually the 7th/8th most expensive. Everyone seems to think our transfers have been good if unbalanced. 7/8 is about right, a little lower considering a lack of transfers maybe is ok.  
 

For me anyway.  Don’t know about the owners.