Matt1892 Posted January 4, 2024 Share Posted January 4, 2024 On 04/01/2024 at 19:56, Smal said: Expand His debut was good but his performances after that were pretty poor, he often looked lost out there. Over their games this season Miley has looked the better of the two in a Newcastle shirt. Strange that we signed him when we have such a talented youngster that plays in his position when we still have nobody capable of covering Bruno in that role, hence it being an unnecessary purchase when the money could have been used for that DM role. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 4, 2024 Share Posted January 4, 2024 Doubling down, respect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 4, 2024 Share Posted January 4, 2024 On 04/01/2024 at 22:31, Matt1892 said: His debut was good but his performances after that were pretty poor, he often looked lost out there. Over their games this season Miley has looked the better of the two in a Newcastle shirt. Strange that we signed him when we have such a talented youngster that plays in his position when we still have nobody capable of covering Bruno in that role, hence it being an unnecessary purchase when the money could have been used for that DM role. Expand You think his position is to the right in a 3 ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted January 4, 2024 Share Posted January 4, 2024 On 04/01/2024 at 22:40, madras said: You think his position is to the right in a 3 ? Expand Who? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted January 4, 2024 Share Posted January 4, 2024 On 04/01/2024 at 22:36, The Prophet said: Doubling down, respect. Expand nah, you are right. We we don’t need back up for Bruno. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 4, 2024 Share Posted January 4, 2024 On 04/01/2024 at 22:43, Matt1892 said: nah, you are right. We we don’t need back up for Bruno. Expand Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 4, 2024 Share Posted January 4, 2024 On 04/01/2024 at 22:42, Matt1892 said: Who? Expand Tonali. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted January 4, 2024 Share Posted January 4, 2024 On 04/01/2024 at 22:45, madras said: Tonali. Expand That is where Howe played him until he lost his place to Longstaff, then he put him on the left of a midfield 3 when Joelinton was injured. Has passing is too poor to play in Bruno’s role. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 4, 2024 Share Posted January 4, 2024 On 04/01/2024 at 22:49, Matt1892 said: That is where Howe played him until he lost his place to Longstaff, then he put him on the left of a midfield 3 when Joelinton was injured. Has passing is too poor to play in Bruno’s role. Expand It's where Howe played Bruno until he settled in with Shelvey deeper. Tonali's a deep playing centre mid who plays best in a 2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted January 4, 2024 Share Posted January 4, 2024 On 04/01/2024 at 22:52, madras said: It's where Howe played Bruno until he settled in with Shelvey deeper. Tonali's a deep playing centre mid who plays best in a 2. Expand We don’t play that formation though, despite people crying out to change to it so it is a moot point. He isn’t capable of playing in Bruno’s position in the current formation and gives the ball away far too much with slack passing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 4, 2024 Share Posted January 4, 2024 Tonali is a strange one. Showed glimpses of real quality, but the midfield always looked imbalanced with him in there. I'm sure with patience and time he could be a quality addition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 4, 2024 Share Posted January 4, 2024 On 04/01/2024 at 22:55, Matt1892 said: We don’t play that formation though, despite people crying out to change to it so it is a moot point. He isn’t capable of playing in Bruno’s position in the current formation and gives the ball away far too much with slack passing. Expand We don't because we didn't have the players for it or are we legally bound to ? Eddie said in close season we had to become more possession based, that's not going to happen with our version of 433 designed to press and break quick. Tonali will end up playing in a middle 2 for us, I hope it's with Bruno. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted January 4, 2024 Share Posted January 4, 2024 On 04/01/2024 at 22:59, madras said: We don't because we didn't have the players for it or are we legally bound to ? Eddie said in close season we had to become more possession based, that's not going to happen with our version of 433 designed to press and break quick. Tonali will end up playing in a middle 2 for us, I hope it's with Bruno. Expand 2 + 2 = 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 4, 2024 Share Posted January 4, 2024 On 04/01/2024 at 23:05, Matt1892 said: 2 + 2 = 5 Expand So we HAVE to stick to 433 ? Why ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted January 4, 2024 Share Posted January 4, 2024 (edited) On 04/01/2024 at 23:06, madras said: So we HAVE to stick to 433 ? Why ? Expand It is the managers preferred formation and he has only moved away from it to trial wingbacks. He has not attempted a double pivot even in preseason friendlies, so to argue he has bought a player to play there based on him saying we need to retain possession more is clutching at straws at best. Edited January 4, 2024 by Matt1892 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 4, 2024 Share Posted January 4, 2024 On 04/01/2024 at 22:59, madras said: We don't because we didn't have the players for it or are we legally bound to ? Eddie said in close season we had to become more possession based, that's not going to happen with our version of 433 designed to press and break quick. Tonali will end up playing in a middle 2 for us, I hope it's with Bruno. Expand This is a good idea. There's just no evidence for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 4, 2024 Share Posted January 4, 2024 On 04/01/2024 at 23:09, Matt1892 said: It is the managers preferred formation and he has only moved away from it trial wingbacks. He has not attempted a double pivot even in preseason friendlies, so to argue he has bought a player to play there based on him saying we need to retain possession more is clutching at straws at best. Expand His preferred formation at Bournemouth was always 442, 4411, maybe his preferred formation is what gets the best out of what he's got and he's not wedded to any formation and that will change as needs dictate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 4, 2024 Share Posted January 4, 2024 On 04/01/2024 at 23:09, The College Dropout said: This is a good idea. There's just no evidence for it. Expand I'd say the Tonali signing was evidence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 4, 2024 Share Posted January 4, 2024 On 04/01/2024 at 23:09, Matt1892 said: It is the managers preferred formation and he has only moved away from it trial wingbacks. He has not attempted a double pivot even in preseason friendlies, so to argue he has bought a player to play there based on him saying we need to retain possession more is clutching at straws at best. Expand Tonali was here days really, he signed and went off with the national squad and we know how gradually he does things, see Bruno and Botman. Tonali wouldn't have started V Villa had Longstaff been fit, then it's get him fit enough, used to the pace, then changes in formations etc which may not ha e started until after the Champs league was out the way. Why else buy an international central midfielder who's best football has been in a 2 and would allow Bruno to push ona and be that bit more creative ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 4, 2024 Share Posted January 4, 2024 (edited) On 04/01/2024 at 23:12, madras said: I'd say the Tonali signing was evidence. Expand He signed Barnes a LW. So we are going to play 2 left-wingers to accommodate him and Gordon. Tonali isn't even a possession-style player like that. Tonali & Barnes on paper plug & play pretty well with Howe's high-intensity system. 1 midfielder isn't going to turn us into a possession side. Edited January 4, 2024 by The College Dropout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted January 4, 2024 Share Posted January 4, 2024 On 04/01/2024 at 23:12, madras said: His preferred formation at Bournemouth was always 442, 4411, maybe his preferred formation is what gets the best out of what he's got and he's not wedded to any formation and that will change as needs dictate. Expand He has spent around £350 million on players, yet we are to believe that he doesn’t play his preferred formation due to not having the players to play it? He will change the formation, but it will be because this current set up has been figured out by the opposition rather than because we have signed Tonali. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 4, 2024 Share Posted January 4, 2024 On 04/01/2024 at 23:18, The College Dropout said: He signed Barnes a LW. So we are going to play 2 left-wingers to accommodate him and Gordon. Tonali isn't even a possession-style player like that. Tonali & Barnes on paper plug & play pretty well with Howe's high-intensity system Expand Gordon has played plenty on the right and offers cross cover and off a forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 4, 2024 Share Posted January 4, 2024 On 04/01/2024 at 23:19, Matt1892 said: He has spent around £350 million on players, yet we are to believe that he doesn’t play his preferred formation due to not having the players to play it? He will change the formation, but it will be because this current set up has been figured out by the opposition rather than because we have signed Tonali. Expand That was his preferred during his Bournemouth days, he has spent a lot of time with other elite managers since then. Also, it’s worthy of noting the system he used to play isn’t played by other top teams in football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 4, 2024 Share Posted January 4, 2024 (edited) On 04/01/2024 at 23:19, Matt1892 said: He has spent around £350 million on players, yet we are to believe that he doesn’t play his preferred formation due to not having the players to play it? He will change the formation, but it will be because this current set up has been figured out by the opposition rather than because we have signed Tonali. Expand What's Peps formation or does it evolve ? Also I think he was thinking it had been started to be found out last season, we did tweak it. Edited January 4, 2024 by madras Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted January 4, 2024 Share Posted January 4, 2024 On 04/01/2024 at 23:21, madras said: What's Peps formation or does it evolve ? Also I think he was thinking it had been started to be found out last season, we did tweak it. Expand Fingers crossed we get to see the double pivot on Saturday then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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