Vinny Green Balls Posted Saturday at 22:27 Share Posted Saturday at 22:27 4 minutes ago, TRC said: Pardew did that tbf. Dyche too maybe? I just think the league is a lot tougher these days and I think we need a world class manager in. Howe is good but I don’t he sets himself apart from Marco Silva, Frank and co. His overall points total despite being given an absolute disaster of a team when he first came in strongly suggests that he has elevated to a different class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted Saturday at 22:35 Share Posted Saturday at 22:35 6 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said: His overall points total despite being given an absolute disaster of a team when he first came in strongly suggests that he has elevated to a different class. Let’s see how he gets on the next few games they will be telling. City is a right off but we need to be putting in good performances against Brighton and Everton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted Saturday at 22:35 Share Posted Saturday at 22:35 Yeah, I wasn’t woosh’d. Just incredibly poor football knowledge and analysis. 4th in total points since he took over. Yet people think they know more than him and want someone “world class” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted Saturday at 22:41 Share Posted Saturday at 22:41 1 minute ago, Kanji said: Yeah, I wasn’t woosh’d. Just incredibly poor football knowledge and analysis. 4th in total points since he took over. Yet people think they know more than him and want someone “world class” I think it depends what your ambitions are for this season. I think 5th to 8th will be very close and the fine margins count. I am sceptical we can make that up we aren’t the elite pressing team we once were. I’m not sure Howe has much else in his locker consistently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted Saturday at 22:41 Share Posted Saturday at 22:41 (edited) 10 hours ago, Kid Icarus said: Solid PL managers tend not to add a few signings and take a relegation circling side from 4th and 7th. Ancelotti is a mid-table manager without the right players This might be true. Howe has most likely done better with us than Ancelotti would, but likewise I don't think Howe would do as well with Real Madrid as what Ancelotti is doing. It demands very different way of coaching. Pep also wouldn't be great with a mediocre squad, but it takes a certain way of coaching to be successful with a top squad, as easy as it may seem. Howe has done well, noone can deny it. But the curve has certainly been going in the wrong direction ever since the "setting up Trippier in good crossing positions" plan didn't cut it anymore, and it's only getting worse performance wise. To me it seems like Howe is struggling to apadt to us not being an underdog anymore, as he has allways been coaching underdog teams. Edited Sunday at 08:20 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted Saturday at 22:42 Share Posted Saturday at 22:42 Just now, TRC said: I think it depends what your ambitions are for this season. I think 5th to 8th will be very close and the fine margins count. I am sceptical we can make that up we aren’t the elite pressing team we once were. I’m not sure Howe has much else in his locker consistently. We have a fuck load of football to play and another transfer window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted Saturday at 22:43 Share Posted Saturday at 22:43 Who do people want instead? Who’s elite and world class who’d take on this chalice of working with players the club can’t shift? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted Saturday at 22:44 Share Posted Saturday at 22:44 Just now, Kanji said: We have a fuck load of football to play and another transfer window. Presumably with money also. That said, January windows are hard unless I misread how the prem works these days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted Saturday at 22:48 Share Posted Saturday at 22:48 Andoni Iraola, get Bournemouths greatest in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted Saturday at 22:49 Share Posted Saturday at 22:49 3 minutes ago, Kanji said: Who do people want instead? Who’s elite and world class who’d take on this chalice of working with players the club can’t shift? This is exactly it as well. I've shyed away from this question because it invites the inevitable 'I'm not a director of football/ they'll be able to identify the right person, but even then it's like if we didn't have Howe, you'd choose him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted Saturday at 22:50 Share Posted Saturday at 22:50 6 minutes ago, Kanji said: Who do people want instead? Who’s elite and world class who’d take on this chalice of working with players the club can’t shift? In a fit of what I can only assume is madness, one or two actually suggested Mourinho last January. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted Saturday at 22:51 Share Posted Saturday at 22:51 (edited) One thing that appears to have drastically attenuated in this information at your fingertips age is patience. Edited Saturday at 22:52 by Vinny Green Balls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted Saturday at 22:52 Share Posted Saturday at 22:52 (edited) 2 hours ago, Kid Icarus said: While I sooort of agree, all season is still only 5 games. I wouldn't bank on any 5 games at any point, good or bad, to define a season. True BUT I feel there are a lot of issues - Gordon looks totally out of sorts, Isak has yet to start firing, our midfield just isn't clicking, and as for our defence - what got us Top 4 was solidity - our back four rarely changed. I think this season it has changed every game. Tactically as well - where has our press gone? Where is the intensity? Yes we have only lost just one game but the performances haven't been great. Edited Saturday at 22:53 by duo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted Saturday at 22:54 Share Posted Saturday at 22:54 The one manager who I absolutely wanted outside of Howe was universally hated at the end of last season in Dortmund. A man who tactically is the most switched on mind in my eye but apparently was fucking awful in Bundesliga last season and the fans were happy to get rid of despite making the CL fucking final. It ain’t all grass is greener lads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted Saturday at 22:56 Share Posted Saturday at 22:56 Just now, Kanji said: The one manager who I absolutely wanted outside of Howe was universally hated at the end of last season in Dortmund. A man who tactically is the most switched on mind in my eye but apparently was fucking awful in Bundesliga last season and the fans were happy to get rid of despite making the CL fucking final. It ain’t all grass is greener lads. Sometimes it’s about fit, Fonseca is a good manager but will be booted by Milan soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted Saturday at 22:57 Share Posted Saturday at 22:57 Just now, TRC said: Sometimes it’s about fit, Fonseca is a good manager but will be booted by Milan soon. Yeah it is about fit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted Saturday at 22:58 Share Posted Saturday at 22:58 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Kanji said: The one manager who I absolutely wanted outside of Howe was universally hated at the end of last season in Dortmund. A man who tactically is the most switched on mind in my eye but apparently was fucking awful in Bundesliga last season and the fans were happy to get rid of despite making the CL fucking final. It ain’t all grass is greener lads. But sometimes it is. If it keep going like this we will get to find out. Edited Saturday at 22:59 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted Saturday at 23:41 Share Posted Saturday at 23:41 1 hour ago, Kid Icarus said: Solid PL managers tend not to add a few signings and take a relegation circling side from 4th and 7th. Ancelotti is a mid-table manager without the right players You don’t honestly believe that do you? I have no doubt Ancelotti has this team doing far better for what it’s worth. Pointless debate mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted Saturday at 23:45 Share Posted Saturday at 23:45 4 minutes ago, Ronaldo said: You don’t honestly believe that do you? I have no doubt Ancelotti has this team doing far better for what it’s worth. Pointless debate mind. To be fair, think KI is clearly pointing to 13th and 10th @ Everton under Ancelotti. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted Saturday at 23:48 Share Posted Saturday at 23:48 1 minute ago, Kanji said: To be fair, think KI is clearly pointing to 13th and 10th @ Everton under Ancelotti. And to be fair brother they sunk like a stone after him, even with Rafa. If Ancelotti is a mid table manager without the right players that goes for every manager in history. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted Saturday at 23:50 Share Posted Saturday at 23:50 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Ronaldo said: And to be fair brother they sunk like a stone after him, even with Rafa. If Ancelotti is a mid table manager without the right players that goes for every manager in history. I think Ancelotti would have us winning trophies tbh. I’d also love to see our Paul Mitchell brigade back Paul over Don Carlo fucking nerds. Edited Saturday at 23:50 by Kanji Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted Sunday at 01:53 Share Posted Sunday at 01:53 5 hours ago, STM said: I’m one of the least knee jerk people on here. I don’t hero worship Eddie in the good times and he’s not a villain to me at the low times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted Sunday at 01:57 Share Posted Sunday at 01:57 Howe’s overall body of work is excellent for us. I don’t think anyone would agree that. But do we think we’ll finish 4th this season? Why? Our performances and form over the last 12 months suggest we won’t be that consistent. We often look vulnerable defensively and incoherent in attack. With repeated issues over the last year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted Sunday at 02:00 Share Posted Sunday at 02:00 1 minute ago, The College Dropout said: Howe’s overall body of work is excellent for us. I don’t think anyone would agree that. But do we think we’ll finish 4th this season? Why? Our performances and form over the last 12 months suggest we won’t be that consistent. We often look vulnerable defensively and incoherent in attack. With repeated issues over the last year. Agree: Eddie’s work has been nothing short of astounding anyone suggestion otherwise is either a wum or have some agenda. 4th was off the table the moment the window closed and we didn’t do anything within in. Us as a club and eddie are in a tough spot and I don’t see how we get out of it, as I’ve bleated on about since what feels like forever ultimately FFP has created a glass ceiling which needs a miracle worker to breach, those who were saying the board will sort it are also quiet about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted Sunday at 04:39 Share Posted Sunday at 04:39 4 hours ago, Ronaldo said: You don’t honestly believe that do you? I have no doubt Ancelotti has this team doing far better for what it’s worth. Pointless debate mind. One word: Everton Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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