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3 minutes ago, Lucky said:


As I’ve said now though, my opinion has shifted somewhat. I am doubtful he’s going to turn it around. If that’s the case then we need a change.

 

I had the same opinion after Brighton and almost fully got roasted for it. After West Ham, opinion shifted a little bit and then this weekend there’s been more seeing it similar.

 

Give it to December and I’ll see if you and others have the same opinion.

You had the opinion last year and the year before that as well. And as you said, you were made to eat your words. If he does get us rolling, I am sure that we will be arguing the same thing next November. You are not some visionary goin against the grain. You are some dude sticking with a broken clock gambit in the hopes that one of these times you’ll be proven correct.

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3 minutes ago, Interpolic said:

 

Ah OK so Ancelotti just needs to finish 4th or 5th or 7th and he'll be doing a grand job. 

 

You're so desperate for him to fail :lol: what's your next username going to be when he shows you up again, "Third Time Lucky"? 


I’m really not. I want him to do better, or should I say I want the club to do better.

 

I don’t think he’s going to do it this time. Time will tell as always and I’ll eat my words if I’m wrong.

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2 minutes ago, Lucky said:


I’m really not. I want him to do better, or should I say I want the club to do better.

 

I don’t think he’s going to do it this time. Time will tell as always and I’ll eat my words if I’m wrong.


Will you though? Or will you just change your name if he proves you wrong (again). 

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1 hour ago, The College Dropout said:

You think another manager would have us in European places?

 

Are we giving them the summers transfer budget?

 

With the shall we say less than stellar thoughts on the summer transfers I think it's fair to say another manager may have brought in different players who just may have picked up a win at Leeds, West Ham and Brentford. So yeah another manager may well have us in the European spots right now.

 

Would another manager have this team in the European spaces now? Unlikely but not impossible. Would they have also taken us on the last 4 years journey? Probably not but the money that has been available isn't so insubstantial to say definitely not

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12 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

They might not come out and say it but it's what a lot of them mean.. especially those just now piping up.

 

I'm similar. Except this squad is so much for Eddie, he can only really be sacked in my view, once the squad has been pivoted. So he gets this entire season and 10-15 of next for me. Nobody else can do anything meaningful with this squad anyway.

I don't think Eddie is planning on pivoting, he seems to think that the profile of players we've been recruiting will be successful. I have my doubts.

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Guys you are not adding anything new now, just going on and on. Let me add a few other different but related perspectives.

 

The fact is, even if Howe gets us on a new run. This way of playing catch up at some point will fail, as it takes a lot of mental strength to get out of these slumps and you can't keep doing that again and again if you want to be near the top. That inconsistency, which people having fairly highlighted was also a massive part of his Bournemouth days, is a reasonable thing to highlight, which has to lead to us questioning if he can sustain us at the top for the longer term.

 

Most experts say we have a very strong squad, you could argue stronger than ever before.

 

Considering our offensive struggles, had we at least. stayed strong in defence, which we did at the start of the season, we could probably get through things with some confidence, draw several of the games we have lost for example. But even the defensive part of our game is below standard now to say the least. And with this squad and how strong we were defensively previously under Howe, we really have to question his tactical ability.

 

Yes he won a cup. But let's be real, it was not a major trophy, although we like to say it was. He also just squeezed us into the CL, where let's be honest we probably didn't deserve it it last season.

 

He will have created the best moment and feelings of my life when we won the trophy last year. But I think because we had gone most of our lifetimes without experiencing it, and maybe never expecting it, we are now willing to give him so much benefit of the doubt that we risk ruining everything we have built up.

 

I seriously worry that few managers can come in and do much better with the type of players at our disposal. As smart as he seems when he talks, I am just baffled about his focus on height and speed over football ability.

 

Someone correct me if I remember wrong, but wasn't his Bournemouth team almost the opposite? All about footballing ability, even if it was lesser known players. I remember enjoying watching Bournemouth, even if they lost. I can't say I ever felt anywhere near the same joy of the play, the control of the game, the passing, etc. I actually think he is in a big mess tactically, and I'm not sure he will manage to fix it.

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3 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

Are we now at the "downplaying" his achievements" phase?

Yes, a little bit. Because many are overplaying them, and using it to not question him enough or give him way more time than he maybe deserves.

 

Honestly I am sick of hearing everyone, even the media talking about first major trophy for 70 years. It's not a major trophy and we won a European one as well that everyone forgets. It honestly pisses me off :D  I really don't think he has proven himself as a top top manager yet.

 

But that's a tiny part of my post. Maybe stupid of me to give you the chance to ignore everything else in there.

 

 

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Just now, Vinny Green Balls said:

Or a good reason to indeed ignore it

So you think the Carabao Cup is a major trophy?

 

And the CL qualifications. I mean not many years ago, you wouldn't even get into any European places for finishing where we did. Nowadays almost half the league might get into Europe. So I think people definitely overplay it a bit. Especially when the two times we qualifies we didn't have a European tournament to distract us.

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I feel Lucky is a bit on his own, and the majority of you guys and unfair to him and need to wake up a bit.

 

Even if Howe gets on another streak, his way of managing is unsustainable and he is now on his second chance to managing CL and there are no signs he has learned and can manage both that and PL.

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9 minutes ago, Marxen the Mag said:

Guys you are not adding anything new now, just going on and on. Let me add a few other different but related perspectives.

 

The fact is, even if Howe gets us on a new run. This way of playing catch up at some point will fail, as it takes a lot of mental strength to get out of these slumps and you can't keep doing that again and again if you want to be near the top. That inconsistency, which people having fairly highlighted was also a massive part of his Bournemouth days, is a reasonable thing to highlight, which has to lead to us questioning if he can sustain us at the top for the longer term.

 

Most experts say we have a very strong squad, you could argue stronger than ever before.

 

Considering our offensive struggles, had we at least. stayed strong in defence, which we did at the start of the season, we could probably get through things with some confidence, draw several of the games we have lost for example. But even the defensive part of our game is below standard now to say the least. And with this squad and how strong we were defensively previously under Howe, we really have to question his tactical ability.

 

Yes he won a cup. But let's be real, it was not a major trophy, although we like to say it was. He also just squeezed us into the CL, where let's be honest we probably didn't deserve it it last season.

 

He will have created the best moment and feelings of my life when we won the trophy last year. But I think because we had gone most of our lifetimes without experiencing it, and maybe never expecting it, we are now willing to give him so much benefit of the doubt that we risk ruining everything we have built up.

 

I seriously worry that few managers can come in and do much better with the type of players at our disposal. As smart as he seems when he talks, I am just baffled about his focus on height and speed over football ability.

 

Someone correct me if I remember wrong, but wasn't his Bournemouth team almost the opposite? All about footballing ability, even if it was lesser known players. I remember enjoying watching Bournemouth, even if they lost. I can't say I ever felt anywhere near the same joy of the play, the control of the game, the passing, etc. I actually think he is in a big mess tactically, and I'm not sure he will manage to fix it.

 

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2 minutes ago, Marxen the Mag said:

So you think the Carabao Cup is a major trophy?

 

And the CL qualifications. I mean not many years ago, you wouldn't even get into any European places for finishing where we did. Nowadays almost half the league might get into Europe. So I think people definitely overplay it a bit. Especially when the two times we qualifies we didn't have a European tournament to distract us.

It’s silverware we haven’t had in nearly a lifetime, and which was impossible for us just a few years ago. Howe generally has given a good go in all of the cup competitions.

 

Some of you are just so absurd, and a real product of our times.

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2 minutes ago, Marxen the Mag said:

I feel Lucky is a bit on his own, and the majority of you guys and unfair to him and need to wake up a bit.

 

Even if Howe gets on another streak, his way of managing is unsustainable and he is now on his second chance to managing CL and there are no signs he has learned and can manage both that and PL.

Have you seen his wild takes going back to his Dr Jinx days? It’s not unfair at all to laugh at some of the absurd takes. They are ludicrous.

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1 minute ago, Marxen the Mag said:

So you think the Carabao Cup is a major trophy?

 

And the CL qualifications. I mean not many years ago, you wouldn't even get into any European places for finishing where we did. Nowadays almost half the league might get into Europe. So I think people definitely overplay it a bit. Especially when the two times we qualifies we didn't have a European tournament to distract us.

The League Cup is a major trophy - it’s just the lesser of the major trophies available.  The Division Two (or whatever they want to call it today) title isn’t a major trophy.

 

And the only time finishing 4th / 5th didn’t offer a European place was three decades ago, when English clubs returned after the Heysel ban, mostly because our coefficient was zero (and didn’t improve for a while because the league was shite). 
 

If Howe went tomorrow I’d argue that there should be a statue of the man outside the ground.  Even if he can’t turn this around and it all goes to shit then we should at least be able to acknowledge that he has done a fantastic job and we should be very grateful and happy that he’s been involved with our club.   I waited my entire life to see what happened earlier this year, I’m fucked if I’m underplaying that achievement (it’s worth remembering who we beat on the way to that trophy).  

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