Kid Icarus Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Sir Joel Inton said: I’m a grown man, if I wanted the manager sacked I would say it. I’m posting on a football forum online. It’s pretty pathetic that you think you’re running around “outing” people, tbf. Your posts never seem to match up with what I've said like. I don't think someone can be outed for something they keep saying themselves, that makes no sense. So no I don't think I'm outing you or attempting to at all, I think it's pretty obvious you have an agenda against Howe though and I expected that to be something you'd openly admit to tbh. Edited February 1 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Armchair Pundit said: The way I see it is Eddie is having to fight on four fronts, with an expectation from some that we perform at the same level as established, cartel clubs, probably due to us actually having overperformed with what we have previously. We don't have the depth in quality or the financial clout of those aforementioned established clubs, so I just find our inconsistencies to be expected as things stand. In all honesty, we're probably breaking even on where we should expect to be, as frustrating as that can be. Eddie's actually performing a miracle that we haven't just collapsed under the expectations from punching above our capable weight. I'm not denying that Eddie's tactics sometimes appear questionable, but no more so than any other manager would in our situation, what realistic alternatives does he have? What players can he bring in that would make a difference? We're a million miles from the very dark times we've had over the past 20 years and I never thought I'd see us win another cup or get regular European football again. Our club is massively hamstrung by the PSR nonsense and also doesn't have the type of players that cheat to get results, which I'm forever grateful about but I'm damned if I'll take that out on a manager who's done for us what Eddie has and maintains the positions and status across the competitions that Eddie does. As with most things these days, I think people take opinions too far - tactically we could do some things differently, I'd like us to be more pressing and aggressive (like we were a couple of years ago), but it's not feasible with the amount of games we're now having, the players just wouldn't be able to sustain it. We just need a bit of help to push things on, be that from the owners pushing on with the stadium and training facility improvements or someone legally taking on the completely uncompetitive and ridiculous rules put in place by a league who actively wants us to fail. Might be an unpopular opinion this, but I personally don't like the fact that we put so much into the Carabao Cup in a CL season when our squad isn't big enough to fight on all fronts. We fielded several key players against Bradford in our first round, for instance. I'm not trying to downplay the feeling of winning a trophy, but it's a long shot for us to win it again in a season with so many games, when we still need a stronger squad. It's overwhelmingly likely that we'll just end up with more injuries and fatigue, and then go out later anyways. Last season we had strong reasons to go hard in this cup. The trophy drought and no Europe. Not this season, for me atleast. Not saying we should have given it up completely, but I would have liked atleast a little more rotation. Heck, even if we go out early due to rotation, we can still go hard on the FA Cup later down the line, a greater cup that we haven't won in recent time. Edited February 1 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 17 minutes ago, Armchair Pundit said: The way I see it is Eddie is having to fight on four fronts, with an expectation from some that we perform at the same level as established, cartel clubs, probably due to us actually having overperformed with what we have previously. We don't have the depth in quality or the financial clout of those aforementioned established clubs, so I just find our inconsistencies to be expected as things stand. In all honesty, we're probably breaking even on where we should expect to be, as frustrating as that can be. Eddie's actually performing a miracle that we haven't just collapsed under the expectations from punching above our capable weight. I'm not denying that Eddie's tactics sometimes appear questionable, but no more so than any other manager would in our situation, what realistic alternatives does he have? What players can he bring in that would make a difference? We're a million miles from the very dark times we've had over the past 20 years and I never thought I'd see us win another cup or get regular European football again. Our club is massively hamstrung by the PSR nonsense and also doesn't have the type of players that cheat to get results, which I'm forever grateful about but I'm damned if I'll take that out on a manager who's done for us what Eddie has and maintains the positions and status across the competitions that Eddie does. As with most things these days, I think people take opinions too far - tactically we could do some things differently, I'd like us to be more pressing and aggressive (like we were a couple of years ago), but it's not feasible with the amount of games we're now having, the players just wouldn't be able to sustain it. We just need a bit of help to push things on, be that from the owners pushing on with the stadium and training facility improvements or someone legally taking on the completely uncompetitive and ridiculous rules put in place by a league who actively wants us to fail. Absolutely. There are a number of things I wish Howe would do differently. Like many on here, I'd like more flexible game management. I've never liked this coaching orthodoxy of subbing only after the 60th minute. I understand the reasoning, but sometimes it's clear that a change is needed earlier. As I've said before, Steve Kerr has made some really strange decisions over the years, but where would the Warriors be without him? He was clearly a massive step above Mark Jackson and took them to the dynasty level. I feel the similar about Howe. Obviously no dynasty, but we doing well in a different weight class. To be pedantic, it's not cultish behavior on either side. I'm just irritated with how constantly negative some people are. It's way more than just being critical. It's a constant barrage of negativity from some. I have 50 year old high school buddies who are like that, and it is often tiresome and seemingly more for the sake of being negative. And it is often accompanied by self-victimization like "I was piled on when...". And after witnessing the aftermath of what horrors people went through in actual places of oppression, it irritates me when people think that they're being canceled on a forum. It's Bill Maher complaining that he was snubbed for the Golden Globe because of Hollywood cancel culture, right after Ricky Gervais, the anti-cancel-culture prophet himself, won it. On the positive side of being critical, rocafella had a post yesterday on where we should realistically be that I think was right on the mark. He's been critical, but they've been fair critiques. TCD has also been reasonably critical without being negative for the sake of it. In fact, a fair few have. Arguing is great. Wanting Howe out is fine. But FFS, there is no need to moan about your own horrors faced in this forum labor camp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Imagine what our team would look like if Howe actually got his first choice transfer targets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 minute ago, Ben said: Imagine what our team would look like if Howe actually got his first choice transfer targets. Elanga, Thiaw & Ramsey? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 2 minutes ago, nufc123 said: Elanga, Thiaw & Ramsey? I doubt Elanga would have come here if we could get Mbuemo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 3 minutes ago, nufc123 said: Elanga, Thiaw & Ramsey? Mbeumo, Guehi and Ekitike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 minute ago, Vinny Green Balls said: I doubt Elanga would have come here if we could get Mbuemo. We bid for him the summer before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 6 minutes ago, Ben said: Imagine what our team would look like if Howe actually got his first choice transfer targets. Which Howe ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Just now, Ben said: Mbeumo, Guehi and Ekitike Nothing to suggest Mbeumo was first choice over Elanga. Ekitike is not a midfielder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 minute ago, nufc123 said: We bid for him the summer before. I am pretty sure that he wasn't our first choice at the start of the summer. That is obviously what Ben was referring to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 4 minutes ago, nufc123 said: Elanga, Thiaw & Ramsey? Mbeumo, Guehi, Ramsey were the first choices for those positions, as far as we're aware. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 minute ago, nufc123 said: Nothing to suggest Mbeumo was first choice over Elanga. Ekitike is not a midfielder. apart from early reports in the summer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Just now, Kid Icarus said: Mbeumo, Guehi, Ramsey were the first choices for those positions, as far as we're aware. And why was Elanga not when we scouted him and bid for him for two/three transfer windows? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 2 minutes ago, nufc123 said: Nothing to suggest Mbeumo was first choice over Elanga. Ekitike is not a midfielder. Who said he was a midfielder? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Just now, Vinny Green Balls said: apart from early reports in the summer Yeah we bid for Elanga before. Thats more credible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Ben said: Mbeumo, Guehi and Ekitike Wanting them and being able to land them are two completely different things. Man Utd, Man City and Liverpool are going to be a players preferred choice ahead of NUFC in the vast majority of situations. We can identify that sort of talent, they’re so visible to all clubs that it’s a piece of piss. Getting them to sign though when we can’t compete on either prestige or wages, good luck with that cos you're pissing in the wind. Edited February 1 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Just now, nufc123 said: And why was Elanga not when we scouted him and bid for him for two/three transfer windows? FFS man. Yes, we wanted him. But it appears we wanted Mbuemo more this summer according to most journalists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Just now, Ben said: Who said he was a midfielder? I know the forwards were not first choices. Ramsey was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Just now, nufc123 said: And why was Elanga not when we scouted him and bid for him for two/three transfer windows? When both were available, Mbeumo was the choice. I don't think it's even debatable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Just now, Vinny Green Balls said: FFS man. Yes, we wanted him. But it appears we wanted Mbuemo more this summer according to most journalists. So a report is more credible than a bid. Okey.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Just now, Kid Icarus said: When both were available, Mbeumo was the choice. I don't think it's even debatable. Must be then.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Just now, nufc123 said: I know the forwards were not first choices. Ramsey was. you are arguing in bad faith at this point by changing the goalposts. Ben never claimed he wasnt'. He was referring to others who we missed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 minute ago, nufc123 said: I know the forwards were not first choices. Ramsey was. Are you ok ? Are you replying to a different post ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amir_9 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 12 minutes ago, Ben said: Imagine what our team would look like if Howe actually got his first choice transfer targets. No point, by now it is clear chasing the same targets as the cartel clubs is going to end in nothing but time wasted and frustration for us after they sign for them Hope we unearth some gems in the summer from outside this league Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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