Minhosa Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: I think Elanga could eventually do a job. But also fine with cutting our losses if we can cut them well enough. We need a RW regardless Said it for ages - I think it's impossible for him to be sustainably effective. His technique is woeful. His game is all about transition but so many teams play a low block against us rendering him a waste of a shirt. I also think it's impossible for Wissa to ever be a 'good buy' based on the price we paid for him. We one million percent need a competent right winger and forward to be signed this summer... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 4 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Quality players go to non-top 6 or European giants every season if we had bought Semenyo in the summer things would be different. Kid from Madrid was available on loan. Could’ve given us a nice little boost. But we don’t do loans. Semenyo was too expensive for our taste, we did ask they told us 70m lol. We just can't afford to spent that. Which kid was available from Madrid? Your referring to Nico Paz? If so he has a 10m buyback clause not a deal that makes sense for us. I don't think loans do much for us tbh we've loaned Ramsale and that has been a complete waste of resources with no upside We are at a crossroads imo, really interested to see what the club will do next. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 1 minute ago, Minhosa said: Said it for ages - I think it's impossible for him to be sustainably effective. His technique is woeful. His game is all about transition but so many teams play a low block against us rendering him a waste of a shirt. I also think it's impossible for Wissa to ever be a 'good buy' based on the price we paid for him. We one million percent need a competent right winger and forward to be signed this summer... They both look like woeful players so I hear you. My cope is that I think Elanga can become Murphy effective if he keeps his game simple. Murphy had 2 yeara of good form. Elanga fan run fast, he can shoot and he can put in good crosses. He can maximise that. Wissa? I’m just praying that it clicks somehow. I don’t even know what he’s meant to be good at tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 (edited) 8 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Semenyo was too expensive for our taste, we did ask they told us 70m lol. We just can't afford to spent that. Which kid was available from Madrid? Your referring to Nico Paz? If so he has a 10m buyback clause not a deal that makes sense for us. I don't think loans do much for us tbh we've loaned Ramsale and that has been a complete waste of resources with no upside We are at a crossroads imo, really interested to see what the club will do next. Endrick. we’ve debated this before. I think loans are fine if they benefit us. Everything is negotiable. im naming players i like but im not a scout. Factually there are top players moving to clubs every window. We signed some purples under Ashley and we will do so again. We neee the club operating at the level we used too where we signed top quality players 4 windows in a row. We signed 4 midfielders and attackers and none are better than Anthony Gordon or Harvey Barnes. There’s massive room for improvement man. Edited March 2 by The College Dropout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 1 minute ago, The College Dropout said: They both look like woeful players so I hear you. My cope is that I think Elanga can become Murphy effective if he keeps his game simple. Murphy had 2 yeara of good form. Elanga fan run fast, he can shoot and he can put in good crosses. He can maximise that. Wissa? I’m just praying that it clicks somehow. I don’t even know what he’s meant to be good at tbh I see what you're getting at but 'Murphy effective' doesn't scream success to me given Elanga's price tag. We needed to develop that area of the pitch into a more effective point of contribution imho. Granted it would be a massive improvement on the useless bastard running it out of play every fucking match but surely Howe would've had higher hopes than being Murphy mk11 after spaffing £55m on him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Endrick. we’ve debated this before. I think loans are fine if they benefit us. Everything is negotiable. Endrick seems to be doing well in Lyon (or was when I checked haven't seen recently) deal seemed to be free if he played too so that would have some sense. I'd like to see us plan more for the long term and part of that means not hanging on to players until retirement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 9 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Semenyo was too expensive for our taste, we did ask they told us 70m lol. We just can't afford to spent that. Which kid was available from Madrid? Your referring to Nico Paz? If so he has a 10m buyback clause not a deal that makes sense for us. I don't think loans do much for us tbh we've loaned Ramsale and that has been a complete waste of resources with no upside We are at a crossroads imo, really interested to see what the club will do next. Struggling with the idea we can't afford £70m when we spent £110m on Wissa and Elanga. We could've afforded it but it would have required the scouting department to have done a better job imho (that being having players like Rayan etc further down the list of good value options at less than we spent on others). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 1 minute ago, Minhosa said: I see what you're getting at but 'Murphy effective' doesn't scream success to me given Elanga's price tag. We needed to develop that area of the pitch into a more effective point of contribution imho. Granted it would be a massive improvement on the useless bastard running it out of play every fucking match but surely Howe would've had higher hopes than being Murphy mk11 after spaffing £55m on him? I 100# agree. It’s a disaster so far. So bad if we sold him im afraid it would be worse than his £11m amortisation and wages cost. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Just now, The College Dropout said: I 100# agree. It’s a disaster so far. So bad if we sold him im afraid it would be worse than his £11m amortisation and wages cost. Oh fuck yeah. We're never taking anything other than a thunderbastard of a loss on him and Wissa. Just rank bad business. If ever there was a time to call in a favour from our Saudi overlords.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 29 minutes ago, Astroblack said: God, I hate that True Geordie so much. Couldn’t believe my eyes when I saw the comments. Think he’s a Barton fan to boot. What a sicko. His opinion at the end of the day lad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 It’s one of the worst windows of all time imo. Worse than the Bale 6 imo. Theres no Christian Eriksen. Ramsey is Lamela mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Just now, Minhosa said: Struggling with the idea we can't afford £70m when we spent £110m on Wissa and Elanga. We could've afforded it but it would have required the scouting department to have done a better job imho (that being having players like Rayan etc further down the list of good value options at less than we spent on others). I was against both of those signings so in kind of arguing against myself but that was on paper at the time two oven ready players (both overpays wissa obviously being extreme). I think the point is that if your opening the window spending 70m on a guy with no European football, not particularly young and having 1 good season behind it the risk it represents is significant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Just now, r0cafella said: I was against both of those signings so in kind of arguing against myself but that was on paper at the time two oven ready players (both overpays wissa obviously being extreme). I think the point is that if your opening the window spending 70m on a guy with no European football, not particularly young and having 1 good season behind it the risk it represents is significant. If last summer has taught us anything, it's that we can throw away the risk assessment criteria... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 We spent £60m on a striker that scored 6 goals the season prior. We spent £35m on a 19 yo fullback with 12 senior appearances. We spent £45m on a PL winger with 4 PL goals in his career. We spent £40m on a pacy 21 yo fullback with only 1 season of PL football and fresh off an ACL return. We used to back our judgement on ability, attitude and squad fit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Unfortunately for everyone I don't think we are of that level where we can just drop 70m on transfer fees. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 To the point that game 1 with Isak - we knew he was a player and don’t know what happened at Sociedad - this is a player. Same with Elanga but in reverse. Game 1 that i saw - doesn’t look a player at all. Hoping it was nerves. Don’t tell me about Forest - this is not a good footballer. It’s a bad one at this level actually. Very obviously judging players with a different lense now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Just now, r0cafella said: Unfortunately for everyone I don't think we are of that level where we can just drop 70m on transfer fees. Pretty much spent that on Woltemade. A lad with no pedigree prior to 2025. Literally a 5 month purple patch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 3 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: We spent £60m on a striker that scored 6 goals the season prior. We spent £35m on a 19 yo fullback with 12 senior appearances. We spent £45m on a PL winger with 4 PL goals in his career. We spent £40m on a pacy 21 yo fullback with only 1 season of PL football and fresh off an ACL return. We used to back our judgement on ability, attitude and squad fit. That's my concern - our transfer record prior to last summer was fucking exemplary. Whatever criteria we were using then, we need to rigidly stick to this window and ongoing. I'd rather we didn't buy at all than buy completely different players for Howe's system and set fire to the budget because it's not just that one fuck up it's all the future players we can't afford to sign because nobody wants our overpaid cast offs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Just now, The College Dropout said: Pretty much spent that on Woltemade. A lad with no pedigree prior to 2025. Literally a 5 month purple patch. Last minute panic buy. One they felt they had to take. They knew Wissa was awful business so attempted to hedge it with someone younger with potential upside. Obviously as things stand that gamble has backfired. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 2 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Unfortunately for everyone I don't think we are of that level where we can just drop 70m on transfer fees. We near enough dropped that on Woltemade. And we absolutely could do it again provided the sporting director and scouts are intelligent enough to spend the remainder of the budget on lesser valued players. There was a bunch of players who moved last summer for much less than that and are proving effective. It's all about how we use our budget. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 1 minute ago, r0cafella said: Last minute panic buy. One they felt they had to take. They knew Wissa was awful business so attempted to hedge it with someone younger with potential upside. Obviously as things stand that gamble has backfired. They bid more than that for Ekitike and Sesko tbf. Ekitike was early in the window too so not a panic move imho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Just now, Minhosa said: That's my concern - our transfer record prior to last summer was fucking exemplary. Whatever criteria we were using then, we need to rigidly stick to this window and ongoing. I'd rather we didn't buy at all than buy completely different players for Howe's system and set fire to the budget because it's not just that one fuck up it's all the future players we can't afford to sign because nobody wants our overpaid cast offs. It’s not just the targets - it’s the negotiation, the relationships with agents etc., the influence on PIF We went from almost signing Watford JP to getting the Isak deal done in a week. We don’t seem to have the ability to move that quickly across the whole process. Seemed to get the Tonali done quickly too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Just now, Minhosa said: We near enough dropped that on Woltemade. And we absolutely could do it again provided the sporting director and scouts are intelligent enough to spend the remainder of the budget on lesser valued players. There was a bunch of players who moved last summer for much less than that and are proving effective. It's all about how we use our budget. Oh yeah of course it depends on how we utilise our money but I mean generally clubs with our revenue don't spend 70m on players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Just now, The College Dropout said: It’s not just the targets - it’s the negotiation, the relationships with agents etc., the influence on PIF We went from almost signing Watford JP to getting the Isak deal done in a week. We don’t seem to have the ability to move that quickly across the whole process. Seemed to get the Tonali done quickly too. Agreed. Amanda going remains a loss imho and we've never got the Sporting Director role right since PIF arrived. Jury is out on Wilson but I'm already anticipating 'hard to do deals in a world cup year' whilst Man City, Liverpool, Villa etc all announce signings prior to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 1 minute ago, Minhosa said: They bid more than that for Ekitike and Sesko tbf. Ekitike was early in the window too so not a panic move imho. It absolutely was panic by the time we got big nick mind. Given we have tried to play him as if was isak should tell you all you need to know about the amount or research we did on him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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