Eddie Howe

[Theregulars]

10 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

Recently is not the issue. Hands are tied now. When he has options he didn't use them, now he doesn't have them he can't. 

 

It’s partly down to quality, and him liking to take a while to bed players in, but I think you have to rotate it to early detriment for long term benefit.  

Not for me, Clive. He’s had his options either severely limited or obliterated for 2/3 of the CL games (Dortmund 1 onwards). Don’t forget that the 2 big assets purchased for this season (tonali and barnes) have not been available. Same squad as last year minus maxi and plus tino, essentially, plus a lot more injuries. I think he has limits and flaws but this is so obviously not on him.

[r0cafella]

Just now, Lush Vlad said:

I hope so! Couldn’t hack watching a Mourinho team after what we’ve been spoiled with under Howe. 

Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure PIF would love to bring Jose, to the pro league.  His profile really suits what they are looking for. 
 

in terms of us, not at all. 

[The College Dropout]

23 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

Doesn't that come hand-in-hand as a Premier League football manager though? We're entering a far more ruthless territory than what we've been used to over the last 20 years. Remember someone saying that we should expect an unpopular sale in the summer, I don't see why the unpopular (but somewhat understandable) decisions would be limited to our playing squad. Surely this level of ruthlessness starts at the very top?

 

FWIW I really hope he doesn't leave us in the next 10 years. I love the bloke. He's a breath of fresh air after years of whinging arseholes making excuses left, right and centre. Plus you know, he's not Arteta, Klopp or Ten Hag - a grade A thundercunt.

There’s probably a middile ground between being manager for the next 10 years and discussing his future because we’ve been knocked out the CL.  
 

Guardiola finished 4th first season. Klopp midtable. Klopp finished 5th last season, no real noise from the fans about his position. Arsenal board stuck with Arteta during some very dark days. 
 

Without evidence that we have a trigger happy ownership. It’s not worth the discussion imo.  It only adds fuel. It’s not constructive either. 
 

Let’s be honest.  We as a fanbase are not patient. Forget the Saudis. Bobby had 1 bad season, people wanted him out asap.  Crowd started booing home draws the next season. Pardew got into Europe with a team who was in the champ 2 years earlier, we signed practically no reinforcements - most people wanted him gone the next season when things went badly. 
 

Let’s not use SA as an excuse. We are not patient as a fanbase. 

[SUPERTOON]

Just now, The College Dropout said:

There’s probably a middile ground between being manager for the next 10 years and discussing his future because we’ve been knocked out the CL.  
 

Guardiola finished 4th first season. Klopp midtable. Klopp finished 5th last season, no real noise from the fans about his position. Arsenal board stuck with Arteta during some very dark days. 
 

Without evidence that we have a trigger happy ownership. It’s not worth the discussion imo.  It only adds fuel. It’s not constructive either. 
 

Let’s be honest.  We as a fanbase are not patient. Forget the Saudis. Bobby had 1 bad season, people wanted him out asap.  Crowd started booing home draws the next season. Pardew got into Europe with a team who was in the champ 2 years earlier, we signed practically no reinforcements - most people wanted him gone the next season when things went badly. 
 

Let’s not use SA as an excuse. We are not patient as a fanbase. 

Agree with the points you are trying to make, however Pardew was an absolutely shit manager and a massive prick, that’s why people wanted him out. Can’t put his name in there with the others.

[Kid Icarus]

1 minute ago, The College Dropout said:

There’s probably a middile ground between being manager for the next 10 years and discussing his future because we’ve been knocked out the CL.  
 

Guardiola finished 4th first season. Klopp midtable. Klopp finished 5th last season, no real noise from the fans about his position. Arsenal board stuck with Arteta during some very dark days. 
 

Without evidence that we have a trigger happy ownership. It’s not worth the discussion imo.  It only adds fuel. It’s not constructive either. 
 

Let’s be honest.  We as a fanbase are not patient. Forget the Saudis. Bobby had 1 bad season, people wanted him out asap.  Crowd started booing home draws the next season. Pardew got into Europe with a team who was in the champ 2 years earlier, we signed practically no reinforcements - most people wanted him gone the next season when things went badly. 
 

Let’s not use SA as an excuse. We are not patient as a fanbase. 

 

That is up there with the biggest load of horseshit I've ever read on here

[Gallowgate Toon]

Really hope he's backed in January. The way he works, it's almost better to get some players in for Jan to help prepare for next season.

[Kid Icarus]

TIL Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Tiote, Ba, Cisse, Santon, Marveaux, Perch, Sammy Ameobi, Gosling and Obertan were in our Championship squad.

 

 

Jokes aside, the only starters in 11/12 from the Championship squad were Coloccini, Simpson, Williamson, and Jonas. Two of which were Argentina internationals, bought when we were a Premier League club.

 

 

Edited December 14, 2023 by Kid Icarus

[Myleftboot]

7 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

TIL Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Tiote, Ba, Cisse, Santon, Marveaux, Perch, Sammy Ameobi, Gosling and Obertan were in our Championship squad.

 

 

Jokes aside, the only starters in 11/12 from the Championship squad were Coloccini, Simpson, Williamson, and Jonas. Two of which were Argentina internationals, bought when we were a Premier League club.

 

 

 

Ahhhh Marveaux,he was such a silky player that never made it here unfortunately.

 

 

Edited December 14, 2023 by Myleftboot

[Kid Icarus]

8 minutes ago, Myleftboot said:

Ahhhh Marveaux,he was such a silky player that never made it here unfortunately.

 

 

 

Would have been a very decent playmaker in the '90s 

[Dokko]

42 minutes ago, Theregulars said:

Not for me, Clive. He’s had his options either severely limited or obliterated for 2/3 of the CL games (Dortmund 1 onwards). Don’t forget that the 2 big assets purchased for this season (tonali and barnes) have not been available. Same squad as last year minus maxi and plus tino, essentially, plus a lot more injuries. I think he has limits and flaws but this is so obviously not on him.

 

I'd like to think Howe is open to learning, and he'll be reviewing every decision and be self critical. If he doesn't address his early season approach to rotation then we'll have this issue over and over, lessening as we go on as quality will improve and options will be better. If you don't think it's an issue then fine, doesn't seem many do, but if he has nothing to learn from this season and how to manage additional games and expectations, then experience is over rated at this level. 

[BullyDogs]

My view on it is if Howe doesnt trust players in his squad to be able to be good enough to rotate then they shouldnt be here its a complete waste of a squad place. The likes of Ritchie,Dummet,Hall,Krafth and the other keepers. If they arent good enough or trusted to get any gametime in a season then get rid and replace with people you do trust and who are. Injuries and suspensions are part of football and the more games you play ( generally the most successful teams play upto 60 games a season)  the more you need to use and rotate your squad

 

This is where the issue really lies and where it needs fixing if any of the players ive mentioned and the likes of Almiron,Dubravka etc are still in the squad or playing games in 24/25 then we have a problem. Its time for him to be ruthless and get rid of everyone he thinks is not capable of progressing as a player or progressing us as club

[duo]

It's really annoying me listening to these pundits who are questioning Eddie and saying it's an embarrassment we finished last. Did they not watch the games? Did they not see that we were in every game? Isn't common knowledge we were robbed at PSG? We had those points in the bag, yesterday have been a total different game.  Idiots the lot of them.

[El Prontonise]

27 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

I'd like to think Howe is open to learning, and he'll be reviewing every decision and be self critical. If he doesn't address his early season approach to rotation then we'll have this issue over and over, lessening as we go on as quality will improve and options will be better. If you don't think it's an issue then fine, doesn't seem many do, but if he has nothing to learn from this season and how to manage additional games and expectations, then experience is over rated at this level. 

Almost every manager should be up for learning tbh. 

[Monters]

27 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

I'd like to think Howe is open to learning, and he'll be reviewing every decision and be self critical. If he doesn't address his early season approach to rotation then we'll have this issue over and over, lessening as we go on as quality will improve and options will be better. If you don't think it's an issue then fine, doesn't seem many do, but if he has nothing to learn from this season and how to manage additional games and expectations, then experience is over rated at this level. 

Who should have been rotated and when?

We've been pretty short handed most of the season TBH, Anderson has been out for a while, Willock never started, Barnes and Tonali ages ago...

 

I agree with your point in general but just don't think the options have been there pretty much all season... 

[Dokko]

3 minutes ago, El Prontonise said:

Almost every manager should be up for learning tbh. 

 

Proven when even the very best start to lose it. They'll reach their limit and the game will move forward without them. Thankfullt no ego on Eddie and he's got a couple of decades in him till that.

[BlazeT44]

Quite simply I love Eddie Howe and all he stands for. He's taken me back to the 90s and being a silly kid who dares to dream.

 

What a fantastic two years it's been. Champions League, top 4 finish and a cup final.

 

He handles everything with such class and dignity. Puts the squad before him and protects the players. The players clearly love him. His teams, by and large, play great football.

 

Can't think of anyone who is more of a "polar opposite' of Howe, than Mourinho. 

 

 

 

Edited December 14, 2023 by BlazeT44

[BullyDogs]

General hypothetic question here seeing as we were very interested in him before appointing Howe but would anyone swap Emery for him and do we think Emery would have done any better in the same space of time and further on?

[BullyDogs]

2 minutes ago, BlazeT44 said:

Quite simply I love Eddie Howe and all he stands for. He's taken me back to the 90s and being a silly kid who dares to dream.

 

What a fantastic two years it's been. Champions League, top 4 finish and a cup final.

 

He handles everything with such class and dignity. Puts the squad before him and protects the players. The players clearly love him. His teams, by and large, play great football.

 

Can't think of anyone who is more of a "polar opposite' of Howe, than Mourinho. 

 

 

 

 

Mourinho is a winner though...or should i say he was

[Yorkie]

2 minutes ago, BullyDogs said:

General hypothetic question here seeing as we were very interested in him before appointing Howe but would anyone swap Emery for him and do we think Emery would have done any better in the same space of time and further on?

 

What do you think?  

[El Prontonise]

2 minutes ago, BullyDogs said:

General hypothetic question here seeing as we were very interested in him before appointing Howe but would anyone swap Emery for him and do we think Emery would have done any better in the same space of time and further on?

 

No, but it's good in hindsight that we would've been sorted with either choice.  It's worked well for both camps tbh.

[Monters]

6 minutes ago, BullyDogs said:

General hypothetic question here seeing as we were very interested in him before appointing Howe but would anyone swap Emery for him and do we think Emery would have done any better in the same space of time and further on?

Good question!

I wouldn't swap, I think Emery made the right decision at the time as I don't think he would have been as effective in a relegation battle but he has impressed me with what he has done at Villa and possibly would have kicked on more fully this season but Eddie is my man and want him to be for a long time to come!

 

 

Edited December 14, 2023 by Monters

[Ben]

I think Howe is gutted about last night and it will make him even more focused on what players can take us forward and those that can't, it's quite telling that Lascelles and Schar haven't been offered new contracts 

[Dokko]

9 minutes ago, BullyDogs said:

General hypothetic question here seeing as we were very interested in him before appointing Howe but would anyone swap Emery for him and do we think Emery would have done any better in the same space of time and further on?

 

Think Emery would have handled this season better in terms of understanding European overload, but wouldn't swap them, even though I wanted him over howe at the time. 

[r0cafella]

At this point I wouldn’t trade Eddie for any manager in the world. 

[BullyDogs]

1 minute ago, r0cafella said:

At this point I wouldn’t trade Eddie for any manager in the world. 

Thats a bold statement