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He's absolutely fine outside of his kicking. Thankfully we tend to always have a ball player nearby to ping it long in his place. Still only a handful of keepers in the PL I'd take over him.

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Thinking back, who do you think was better, Given or Pope? Given was an outstanding shot stopper but was glued to his line for corners and free kicks (I still remember those leaked pre match notes from Mourinho). Pope is also a great shot stopper, but probably stronger at coming out for corners and crosses. Both weren’t great with their feet, but Given defo edges that.

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17 minutes ago, Ronson333 said:

Thinking back, who do you think was better, Given or Pope? Given was an outstanding shot stopper but was glued to his line for corners and free kicks (I still remember those leaked pre match notes from Mourinho). Pope is also a great shot stopper, but probably stronger at coming out for corners and crosses. Both weren’t great with their feet, but Given defo edges that.


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45 minutes ago, Ronson333 said:

Thinking back, who do you think was better, Given or Pope? Given was an outstanding shot stopper but was glued to his line for corners and free kicks (I still remember those leaked pre match notes from Mourinho). Pope is also a great shot stopper, but probably stronger at coming out for corners and crosses. Both weren’t great with their feet, but Given defo edges that.


Pope. Given made some outrageous saves. I think Pope makes a lot of world class saves look routine because he’s a big fucker. Alisson is a bit like that too, IMO. 

 

Pope is better controlling his box and off his line. I also think his deficiencies around his kicking wouldn’t have been so obvious back in Given’s day and vice versa. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Ronson333 said:

Thinking back, who do you think was better, Given or Pope? Given was an outstanding shot stopper but was glued to his line for corners and free kicks (I still remember those leaked pre match notes from Mourinho). Pope is also a great shot stopper, but probably stronger at coming out for corners and crosses. Both weren’t great with their feet, but Given defo edges that.

I remember Leicester scored a hat trick of headers against Given all from about 2 or 3 yards out.  Glued to the goal line like a scared rabbit.  Thankfully I'm sure Shearer also scored a hat trick that day (I think).

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7 minutes ago, Rod said:

I remember Leicester scored a hat trick of headers against Given all from about 2 or 3 yards out.  Glued to the goal line like a scared rabbit.  Thankfully I'm sure Shearer also scored a hat trick that day (I think).


Shearer scored a hat trick vs. Leicester in the 4-3 in 97. Hislop was in goal. 
 

The 3x headers you speak of was the following season. Think you’re being a bit harsh on given for the first two headers. He’d only have been 21 as well at the time and his first season in top flight:

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Fak said:


Shearer scored a hat trick vs. Leicester in the 4-3 in 97. Hislop was in goal. 
 

The 3x headers you speak of was the following season. Think you’re being a bit harsh on given for the first two headers. He’d only have been 21 as well at the time and his first season in top flight:

 

 

 

 

 

Fair enough but I was never in the Given fan club.  Terrible at crosses and he couldn't wait to "abandon ship".

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8 minutes ago, Fak said:


Shearer scored a hat trick vs. Leicester in the 4-3 in 97. Hislop was in goal. 
 

The 3x headers you speak of was the following season. Think you’re being a bit harsh on given for the first two headers. He’d only have been 21 as well at the time and his first season in top flight:

 

 

 

 

 

Yes that's the game I remember.  Well done.  I think we agree that Given was shite that day.

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Just now, Rod said:

So Given left for more money?  Yeah?  Not the die hard Toon fan that is portrayed by many fans then?


When footballers sign for new clubs they usually do get a pay rise yeah. 

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Just now, Fak said:


When footballers sign for new clubs they usually do get a pay rise yeah. 

Whatever.  You are never going to get my point.  Anyhoo, Pope for me all day.  Far superior to Given.  ;)

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Just now, Rod said:

Whatever.  You are never going to get my point.  Anyhoo, Pope for me all day.  Far superior to Given.  ;)


I get the point you’re making. I just disagree that he was desperate to jump ship. It took him 12 years before he jumped ship. 
 

He was no. 1 for us for over a decade, played in cup finals, champions league and in Robsons side that challenged for the title. I don’t blame anyone for wanting to sack the club off that’s ran by Ashley and managed by Kinnear. 

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I get the point you’re making. I just disagree that he was desperate to jump ship. It took him 12 years before he jumped ship. 
 

He was no. 1 for us for over a decade, played in cup finals, champions league and in Robsons side that challenged for the title. I don’t blame anyone for wanting to sack the club off that’s ran by Ashley and managed by Kinnear. 

It didn't take him 12 years to "jump ship".  Don't be silly.  He was happy enough for eleven and half years but when things got a bit tough he couldnt wait to fuck off.  That is my point.  My other point is Pope is/was far superior to Given which this thread is about actually.

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2 minutes ago, Pilko said:

Given "couldn't wait to abandon ship" :lol::lol:

 

12 years and 463 appearances, third in the all-time list. Fuck me, what a mental take.

 

Fuck off man and read my posts instead of looking up pathetic stats, saddo!

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5 minutes ago, Pilko said:

Given "couldn't wait to abandon ship" :lol::lol:

 

12 years and 463 appearances, third in the all-time list. Fuck me, what a mental take.

 

 

I don't blame him for jumping ship, I would've done similar.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Rod said:

It didn't take him 12 years to "jump ship".  Don't be silly.  He was happy enough for eleven and half years but when things got a bit tough he couldnt wait to fuck off.  That is my point.  My other point is Pope is/was far superior to Given which this thread is about actually.


We were ran by Ashley and managed by Kinnear and were heading only one way. Why shouldn’t be leave for a club like Man City that were on the up when they came sniffing? The move didn’t work out for him in the end ultimately but he owed Newcastle nothing. 

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Just now, El Prontonise said:

 

I don't blame him for jumping ship, I would've done similar.

 

 

 

 

100%, we were an absolute joke at the time he left. From the CL years under Robson to where we got to when he left in early 2009 was a hell of a decline and he played behind some rotten defences and some awful managers before he finally decided to move on.

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