gbandit Posted Sunday at 08:08 Share Posted Sunday at 08:08 1 minute ago, Groundhog63 said: Football used to be about working class escapism but now it's rigged life life itself. Great point this, football has become a reflection of how broken society is. Think all of its faults lie at the door of capitalism Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted Sunday at 08:20 Share Posted Sunday at 08:20 5 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said: Missed this. Very true. There's a festering malaise being nurtured amongst our population. Also things are and do feel shit for many. Football used to be about working class escapism but now it's rigged life life itself. Sadly that ship has long sailed in the £1000 season tickets and £60 just to go behind the goals in the "cheap seats" to support the team era. In saying that even the way it's been going I still never thought I'd see the day when your average supporter was priced out of a pre season kickabout 120 miles up the road. Ultimately when you price a product aimed at attracting customers rather than your average working class supporter, then you shouldn't be surprised when they act like a customer who is spending a lot of money to watch your product. Can't have it all ways. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted Sunday at 08:33 Share Posted Sunday at 08:33 4 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said: Sadly that ship has long sailed in the £1000 season tickets and £60 just to go behind the goals in the "cheap seats" to support the team era. In saying that even the way it's been going I still never thought I'd see the day when your average supporter was priced out of a pre season kickabout 120 miles up the road. Ultimately when you price a product aimed at attracting customers rather than your average working class supporter, then you shouldn't be surprised when they act like a customer who is spending a lot of money to watch your product. Can't have it all ways. Obviously the access price point is front and centre for ordinary people BUT the real issue, eating away at the very heart of the sport, is the inherent corruption and inequality baked in now that mirrors life itself. @gbandit is, of course, correct. Capitalism is eating itself but folk don't want to hear about his "capitalism" or, indeed, even my "working class". They don't want to hear about politics "in sport" either. Despite the fact the rich and wealthy run everything, tax the rainwater we drink and the air we breathe. Power to the people 🙋 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie_once_removed Posted Sunday at 08:40 Share Posted Sunday at 08:40 1 hour ago, The Larch said: I get where you're coming from, but not playing one of our best players for fear of injury when we're battling for Europe and fighting for the managers job would be an utterly stupid gamble in my opinion. At worst we would just have to wait to sell him and have hik for another 6-12 months). Its not like there won't still be a host of buyers. That is of course assuming that gordon is an honourable person. However he would have had a hissy fit at the prospect, which is why we did what we did (again, in my opinion) I think you miss my point. I took from your message and implied criticism of Gordon that he stopped wanting to play. I was saying that it was likely that this was a club decision not a Gordon one. Granted Gordon may well have not pushed back too hard on this decision given that a huge pay rise the the opportunity of playing for one of the giants of the game was in the offing, but still it's radically different to him downing tools on the quiet. Whether it was a good decision from the club is a different point. Hindsight being 20/20 and all, I think he should have at least come off the bench in a couple of those key games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
astraguy Posted Sunday at 08:46 Share Posted Sunday at 08:46 How did this go through when the window isn't even open yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted Sunday at 08:50 Share Posted Sunday at 08:50 (edited) 3 minutes ago, astraguy said: How did this go through when the window isn't even open yet? You can still agree deals outside of transfer windows. It's just the registration that's not done. Edited Sunday at 08:50 by El Prontonise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbee909 Posted Sunday at 08:52 Share Posted Sunday at 08:52 5 minutes ago, astraguy said: How did this go through when the window isn't even open yet? Deals can be announced before the window opens. I guess it's all done bar transferring registration, which is a formality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Larch Posted Sunday at 09:50 Share Posted Sunday at 09:50 1 hour ago, Geordie_once_removed said: I think you miss my point. I took from your message and implied criticism of Gordon that he stopped wanting to play. I was saying that it was likely that this was a club decision not a Gordon one. Granted Gordon may well have not pushed back too hard on this decision given that a huge pay rise the the opportunity of playing for one of the giants of the game was in the offing, but still it's radically different to him downing tools on the quiet. Whether it was a good decision from the club is a different point. Hindsight being 20/20 and all, I think he should have at least come off the bench in a couple of those key games. Yes i was suggesting that Gordon refused to play. I just think thats far more likely than it being the clubs decision to not play him, for the reasons I gave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted Sunday at 10:01 Share Posted Sunday at 10:01 (edited) On 29/05/2026 at 23:18, SiLvOR said: All I can think of, is that this is exactly how it could have all panned out for Isak. Except he would have left in much higher regard. What a fucking complete twat. Anyway, glad Gordon's got his dream move. I'm not shedding any tears over this, he's been so inconsistent for us and seemingly not arsed a lot of the time, especially this season Isn't this how it would've panned out if Isak was sold in may? Gordon did nothing wrong, but who on earth would be a cunt about a move if you get the move before the window even opens? Noone knows how he would have acted if we kept rejecting bids until august, saying that he was not for sale. Edit: Just read through the pages, I guess this has been covered already. Edited Sunday at 10:37 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted Sunday at 10:21 Share Posted Sunday at 10:21 Aye it would have panned out a bit differently if we'd refused him the move I'd expect, two completely different situations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted Sunday at 10:26 Share Posted Sunday at 10:26 (edited) 1 hour ago, Groundhog63 said: Obviously the access price point is front and centre for ordinary people BUT the real issue, eating away at the very heart of the sport, is the inherent corruption and inequality baked in now that mirrors life itself. @gbandit is, of course, correct. Capitalism is eating itself but folk don't want to hear about his "capitalism" or, indeed, even my "working class". They don't want to hear about politics "in sport" either. Despite the fact the rich and wealthy run everything, tax the rainwater we drink and the air we breathe. Power to the people 🙋 Love a bit of ‘Foxy’… (except the Fulham-supporting bit, too soon!) Edited Sunday at 10:26 by Coffee_Johnny Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewboy74 Posted Sunday at 10:29 Share Posted Sunday at 10:29 14 hours ago, Crimson Cardigan said: Worth getting less to never sell to Liverpool again. I'm on the knife edge of football support anyway but another sale to them cunts would tip me over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted Sunday at 10:41 Share Posted Sunday at 10:41 32 minutes ago, Erikse said: Isn't this how it would've panned out if Isak was sold in may? Gordon did nothing wrong, but who on earth would be a cunt about a move if you get the move before the window even opens? Noone knows how he would have acted if we kept rejecting bids until august, and said that he was not for sale. Edit: Just read through the pages, I guess this has been covered already. aye I’m starting to think the Isak camp was too naive and laid back. As a footballer you’re better off half arsing for a couple years. Have your agent work overtime throughout the season so buyer and seller are ready for May. You’re so non-committal your club are happy for you to sit out the last 3 games of the season. Fans are even kinda happy to see you go. Gordon probably still gets his loyalty bonus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted Sunday at 12:33 Share Posted Sunday at 12:33 Has last seasons December to February, which was absolutely critical to us getting the CL and cup final been erased from people’s minds? That was one of best periods I’ve experienced as a fan, and Gordon was central to it. That was within last 2 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McEwan Posted Sunday at 14:12 Share Posted Sunday at 14:12 4 hours ago, The Larch said: Yes i was suggesting that Gordon refused to play. I just think thats far more likely than it being the clubs decision to not play him, for the reasons I gave. I think it was the club's decision, or maybe agreed between Newcastle and Barcelona. From the club's point of view, they have a huge deal lined up that will set the terms of the entire transfer window (which has to be successful this time), they can't risk Gordon getting injured and messing it all up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted Sunday at 14:58 Share Posted Sunday at 14:58 1 hour ago, Superior Acuña said: Has last seasons December to February, which was absolutely critical to us getting the CL and cup final been erased from people’s minds? That was one of best periods I’ve experienced as a fan, and Gordon was central to it. That was within last 2 years. Really good point you make. The idea he was inconsistent for 2 years is a bit reductive. - Aug-Oct 2024 he’s average to poor - lots of talk about the summer causing him unrest. - Oct 2024 he signs a new contract. - Nov 24 - Jan 25 he has 10 G/A in the league in 14 games. Scores in each leg of the league cup semi final. - His last goal contribution in the league is 25th January. League cup goal is 5th Feb. - Gets sent off twice in the remainder of that season. Costs us in the FA Cup and misses the league cup final. - In 24/25 he’s brilliant for just over 3 months. Poor for 7 months with as many red cards as goal contributions in that time. - 25/26 consistently excellent in the CL until the last 16. Superb. - 25/26 very bad to start then works his way up to inconsistent. Doesn’t play any of the last 6 games. Misses 3.5 games through suspension/sending off. Looking back - I think he’s played this season for himself. Do enough to go to the World Cup and get a move. Made sure he played left wing. Sit games out. I do think his lack of end product this season is largely driven by non top 6 teams sitting deep and clocking his game. But I think there’s a level of effort and desire he lacked when playing the likes of Brentford and Leeds. Too much effort, not enough spotlight. When he hit form the previous year it was week in week out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viana Posted Sunday at 14:58 Share Posted Sunday at 14:58 Given the World Cup is on the horizon I won't be too mad at Gordon for sitting out a few weeks. At the end of the day, we saw how a star player can really fuck you around. Gordon didn't do that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted Sunday at 15:02 Share Posted Sunday at 15:02 47 minutes ago, McEwan said: I think it was the club's decision, or maybe agreed between Newcastle and Barcelona. From the club's point of view, they have a huge deal lined up that will set the terms of the entire transfer window (which has to be successful this time), they can't risk Gordon getting injured and messing it all up. Do you think Gordon would’ve sat out those games if he thought his England place was in jeopardy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted Sunday at 15:16 Share Posted Sunday at 15:16 5 minutes ago, Viana said: Given the World Cup is on the horizon I won't be too mad at Gordon for sitting out a few weeks. At the end of the day, we saw how a star player can really fuck you around. Gordon didn't do that. Antoine Semenyo is going to the World Cup as his counties star player. Semenyo signed for City 9th Jan. Semenyo played 90 minutes and scored for Bournemouth on 7th Jan. in the 25 days before signing for Man City, Semenyo played 7 games, playing 90 minutes in every single one, scoring 4 goals. Plays week in week out for City - starts a dead rubber of a last game of the season and scores again. That’s professionalism. Gordons dicked us about with inconsistent performances and then not even playing while we chase Europe. Honestly I thought Tonali gave up in the Camp Nou to protect himself for the Italy World Cup qualifiers. Hate that mindset. If anyone isn’t fully committed get them out straight away. Glad we’ve sold Gordon now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viana Posted Sunday at 15:18 Share Posted Sunday at 15:18 1 minute ago, The College Dropout said: Antoine Semenyo is going to the World Cup as his counties star player. Semenyo signed for City 9th Jan. Semenyo played 90 minutes and scored for Bournemouth on 7th Jan. in the 25 days before signing for Man City, Semenyo played 7 games, playing 90 minutes in every single one, scoring 4 goals. Plays week in week out for City - starts a dead rubber of a last game of the season and scores again. That’s professionalism. Gordons dicked us about with inconsistent performances and then not even playing while we chase Europe. Honestly I thought Tonali gave up in the Camp Nou to protect himself for the Italy World Cup qualifiers. Hate that mindset. If anyone isn’t fully committed get them out straight away. Glad we’ve sold Gordon now. That's why I say 'too mad'. I'm not delighted by it, but if I'm honest, the season was done after we lost to the Mackems. We weren't getting Europe in my opinion after that result. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McEwan Posted Sunday at 15:21 Share Posted Sunday at 15:21 15 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Do you think Gordon would’ve sat out those games if he thought his England place was in jeopardy? Who knows, but it seems pretty clear to me that from the club's point of view, given the risks involved and the past few transfer-window fiascos (Anderson/Minteh fire sale, Isak debacle), the order must have on not to risk playing him in the last few games (when the chance of making Europa league was very remote anyway). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted Sunday at 15:23 Share Posted Sunday at 15:23 2 minutes ago, Viana said: That's why I say 'too mad'. I'm not delighted by it, but if I'm honest, the season was done after we lost to the Mackems. We weren't getting Europe in my opinion after that result. I think that’s just such a poor mentality. When a team like ours concedes so many late goals - there has to be some mental fragility in the camp. The Barca result I thought was mentally damaging so that didn’t help. It sounds like we may have 2-3 that don’t want to be here. Gordon was one. If Tonali wants out, let him go. We need an army of the committed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted Sunday at 15:25 Share Posted Sunday at 15:25 2 minutes ago, McEwan said: Who knows, but it seems pretty clear to me that from the club's point of view, given the risks involved and the past few transfer-window fiascos (Anderson/Minteh fire sale, Isak debacle), the order must have on not to risk playing him in the last few games (when the chance of making Europa league was very remote anyway). Yeh it’s clear to me that if a player is professional and a good servant they keep playing right up until they leave. Many such cases. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McEwan Posted Sunday at 15:33 Share Posted Sunday at 15:33 3 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Yeh it’s clear to me that if a player is professional and a good servant they keep playing right up until they leave. Many such cases. Not saying Gordon's behaviour has been exemplary all season, but if I'm Ross Wilson/David Hopkinson and I've got this 70m deal lined up for Gordon with us in 15th place with 4 games to go, I'm absolutely telling Eddie Howe not to play him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viana Posted Sunday at 16:45 Share Posted Sunday at 16:45 1 hour ago, The College Dropout said: I think that’s just such a poor mentality. When a team like ours concedes so many late goals - there has to be some mental fragility in the camp. The Barca result I thought was mentally damaging so that didn’t help. It sounds like we may have 2-3 that don’t want to be here. Gordon was one. If Tonali wants out, let him go. We need an army of the committed. Can I shock you? I have a very poor mentality I'm also just a tad accepting of what can be controlled and what can't be. If we speculate that Gordon downed tools behind the scenes and said he wanted to explore his options, making that public only weakens our position when Barca come calling. I agree that I can think of a few others who want out, and for the same reason I'd rather we kept that discourse in house. We saw what allowing an agent to run his mouth can do with Isak. Yes, we got the mega fee at the end of it, but not before losing touching a month of the window and being forced into a deal right before the deadline that turned out pretty shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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