Match Atmosphere

[Hovagod]

1 minute ago, Wandy said:

 

Its not doing that though. Its basically a reset of the away loyalty points system with everyone starting from scratch.

That’s not rewarding loyalty though. 

[SteV]

2 minutes ago, Wandy said:

 

It’s not doing that though. It’s basically a reset of the away loyalty points system with everyone starting from scratch.

So at what point does that system move away from ballot and back to points becoming relevant?

[Wandy]

Just now, Hovagod said:

That’s not rewarding loyalty though. 

 

Eh? How come? Everyone starts from scratch and builds loyalty points. When I say everyone I mean all members. ST holders should get no perks when it comes to away tickets.

[Wandy]

Just now, SteV said:

So at what point does that system move away from ballot and back to points becoming relevant?

 

They could start balloting separate portions of the away tickets based on certain amounts of loyalty points.

[J7]

1 minute ago, Hovagod said:

Easy to say isn’t it? But Ashley showed his teeth when Keegan left in 2008. So anybody that kept their ticket on after that is at fault? Why was Rafa- eleven years later- the litmus test?

At fault, no, but again we hardly helped. Some gave up because of Ashley after years of home and away. Others got a season ticket a few years ago because they were cheap. I don’t think it’s a loyalty test or ‘those who stayed when we were shit’ (I don’t accept the premise) are generally any more loyal than those who didn’t. 

[madras]

4 minutes ago, Wandy said:

 

Eh? How come? Everyone starts from scratch and builds loyalty points. When I say everyone I mean all members. ST holders should get no perks when it comes to away tickets.

Why should everyone start from. Scratch , because it would benefit you and your mates maybe ?

[SteV]

1 minute ago, Wandy said:

 

Eh? How come? Everyone starts from scratch and builds loyalty points. When I say everyone I mean all members. ST holders should get no perks when it comes to away tickets.

At this point we’ve supposedly got 60/70k members plus 30k ST holders. So we’d have about 100k people eligible for 3k (less really) tickets every away game.  Even if only 15/20% apply, you’ll be doing very well to make two games a season.

 

Just now, Wandy said:

 

They could start balloting separate portions of the away tickets based on certain amounts of loyalty points.

In 10 years time?

[Hovagod]

8 minutes ago, Wandy said:

 

Eh? How come? Everyone starts from scratch and builds loyalty points. When I say everyone I mean all members. ST holders should get no perks when it comes to away tickets.

It’s rewarding loyalty starting from the point we became good. It’s a contradiction in terms 

[LFEE]

41 minutes ago, NUFC91 said:

Issue is the lads who went last several years wanted to be there for day out and back the lads.

 

The type who want to go now want to go to say they went, people same boring fuckers who complain they had to move out of corner for standing

 

 

Too simplistic an argument. Also my question to this is why these lads in several years have neither a ST or 5+points of their own? Don’t even sound the type that would ever sacrifice their ST/Points due to boycotts etc.

 

Sounds like they’ve had a great run but the rules about not transferring tickets that has always stood for decades has been slightly more enforced.

 

 

You both (Wandy) need to aim your anger at corporate/staff allocations if anything at all. Not ST holders with loyalty points.

 

 

Edited December 11, 2023 by LFEE

[Wandy]

10 minutes ago, madras said:

Why should everyone start from. Scratch , because it would benefit you and your mates maybe ?

 

Lol, not at all. The club has essentially become a start-up club with everything starting again from scratch and ticket allocation should maybe reflect that. My main aim would be to allow those who have gone to aways on ST Holders' tickets (but now cant get a ticket at all) have a new and equal chance to get a ticket.

[Wandy]

13 minutes ago, SteV said:

At this point we’ve supposedly got 60/70k members plus 30k ST holders. So we’d have about 100k people eligible for 3k (less really) tickets every away game.  Even if only 15/20% apply, you’ll be doing very well to make two games a season.

 

In 10 years time?

 

I think you could start implementing it after a couple of years.

[Wandy]

11 minutes ago, Hovagod said:

It’s rewarding loyalty starting from the point we became good. It’s a contradiction in terms 

 

True. But the current system has shut out those who have been the most loyal over the last 10 years of shit (pre-October 2021).

[Hovagod]

Yeah, but see that’s the point. They haven’t become a start up club at all. They’re Newcastle United as they always have been. It’s one thing embracing our scummy new ownership, it’s quite another to take the ready to go line on the issue. We are not Saudi FC and we were not formed in 2021.

[Hovagod]

Just now, Wandy said:

 

True. But the current system has shut out those who have been the most loyal over the last 10 years of shit (pre-October 2021).

Eh? How?

[SteV]

2 minutes ago, Wandy said:

 

I think you could start implementing it after a couple of years.

But how? Barely anyone would be on more than 3 or 4 points? You’d have people who’d entered 40 ballots and never got chosen.

[Wandy]

Just now, Hovagod said:

Eh? How?

 

People who got tickets off ST holders (who bought the ticket to build up their loyalty points and then passed them on). They are the ones who are now locked out. They went to all the aways but now have nothing to show for it.

[Wandy]

3 minutes ago, Hovagod said:

Yeah, but see that’s the point. They haven’t become a start up club at all. They’re Newcastle United as they always have been. It’s one thing embracing our scummy new ownership, it’s quite another to take the ready to go line on the issue. We are not Saudi FC and we were not formed in 2021.

 

In a way though, we have, like it or not. This is a new NUFC...unrecognisable from the club before it. And I've been going for nearly 40 years, before anyone starts. 

[Wandy]

3 minutes ago, SteV said:

But how? Barely anyone would be on more than 3 or 4 points? You’d have people who’d entered 40 ballots and never got chosen.

 

Make them available through the old queue system then.

[Hovagod]

3 minutes ago, Wandy said:

 

People who got tickets off ST holders (who bought the ticket to build up their loyalty points and then passed them on). They are the ones who are now locked out. They went to all the aways but now have nothing to show for it.

Yeah, that’s a shame for them. But they must have seen this coming. It seems like a bizarre way of doing things to be honest, I don’t really understand why they didn’t just get a season ticket? Don’t mean to be snidey asking that, but genuinely curious. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[SteV]

3 minutes ago, Wandy said:

 

Make them available through the old queue system then.

Or any way that lets you get one? ?

 

Joking aside, I appreciate the frustration of someone in your position, been to countless aways in the past, gave up a ST for whatever reason, would likely have it back in a heartbeat but there’s none to get, and now effectively locked out of aways (unless dodging the rules).

 

But there really isn’t a solution that’s gonna work. You can’t just say to folk that have barely missed a game for however many years, ‘sorry we’re good now, so you’re back in the pot with everyone else’.

 

The best you can hope for, and something I would advocate, is the transferring of an away ticket to a named member, a limited number of times a season. No loyalty point involved (some would argue the person attending should get the point, I’m not sure, maybe would need to think about that more).

 

Not ideal, but it would give you a way back in, and the likelihood is if you’re someone who went away regularly, you’ve got a bit of a network of contacts who still have ST’s who you can call upon.

[Keegans Export]

19 minutes ago, Hovagod said:

Yeah, that’s a shame for them. But they must have seen this coming. It seems like a bizarre way of doing things to be honest, I don’t really understand why they didn’t just get a season ticket? Don’t mean to be snidey asking that, but genuinely curious. 

 

 

Didn't need to go to the expense I guess. If they have a mate who's happy to pay his however many hundred quid for all the home games, they'll pay for (and go to) all or most of the away games.

 

I do have sympathy but there is obviously an element of playing the system and that ultimately coming back to bite. Arguments about the effect on the atmosphere aside, that they were working the system is undeniable. 

[Wandy]

13 minutes ago, SteV said:

Or any way that lets you get one? ?

 

Joking aside, I appreciate the frustration of someone in your position, been to countless aways in the past, gave up a ST for whatever reason, would likely have it back in a heartbeat but there’s none to get, and now effectively locked out of aways (unless dodging the rules).

 

But there really isn’t a solution that’s gonna work. You can’t just say to folk that have barely missed a game for however many years, ‘sorry we’re good now, so you’re back in the pot with everyone else’.

 

The best you can hope for, and something I would advocate, is the transferring of an away ticket to a named member, a limited number of times a season. No loyalty point involved (some would argue the person attending should get the point, I’m not sure, maybe would need to think about that more).

 

Not ideal, but it would give you a way back in, and the likelihood is if you’re someone who went away regularly, you’ve got a bit of a network of contacts who still have ST’s who you can call upon.

 

Mate, I've not been to an away game for years. But I do recognise the effort of all those who have through all of the shit years, and it doesnt sit right with me that lots of those people now cannot go.

 

Your ideas aren't the worst I've heard.

[OCOCOL]

12 hours ago, NUFC91 said:

Few points on yesterday from my observation as i was there.

 

1. Yes it was crap, in all honestly spurs away is never the best, my pals who follow other clubs say the same, same allocation at other grounds will always be louder.

 

2. Our fans have caused the issue on away ticketing, everyone complained that they couldnt get tickets as people were reselling on. Well the lads buying other tickets got behind the team more than the people getting tickets now and the pricks who buy and don't turn up. 

 

3. The football fan seems to of changed, less lads getting tickets who would have a drink and get beind the team no matter what, mode fans who want a pic for social media.

 

4. I actually went to Villa park saturday with one of my customers in hosptality, the atmosphere was really poor, sang at kick went flat. Sang wnen scored then could here a pin drop for rest of game to late on. Same at Spurs yesterday. Football fans are changing it seems.

 

London away games have been a poorer atmosphere (than say aways in Yorkshire / NW / Midlands ) since the mid 90s in my experience.. plenty of reasons for this but it's true. I think Chelsea will be different. The 2006 FA Cup match at Stamford bridge was one of the best away atmospheres in my experience despite being 1-0 down since the 5th minute.

[madras]

10 minutes ago, Wandy said:

 

Mate, I've not been to an away game for years. But I do recognise the effort of all those who have through all of the shit years, and it doesnt sit right with me that lots of those people now cannot go.

 

Your ideas aren't the worst I've heard.

It doesn't sit right with me that after having a season ticket for 34yrs and having years when Id miss 6 or 7 games away, that people who've never had one had a better  chance for away tickets because they had mates who bought away tickets on their season tickets and families season tickets for every away game.

 

I'll whisper it now as well, some of them aren't that bothered about the match, it's an away day on the piss and the gear with their mates.

[Wandy]

19 minutes ago, madras said:

It doesn't sit right with me that after having a season ticket for 34yrs and having years when Id miss 6 or 7 games away, that people who've never had one had a better  chance for away tickets because they had mates who bought away tickets on their season tickets and families season tickets for every away game.

 

I'll whisper it now as well, some of them aren't that bothered about the match, it's an away day on the piss and the gear with their mates.

 

Fair point. I don't know what the answer is then. Except maybe accept that away day atmospheres of old won't be coming back.