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[AyeDubbleYoo]

I see not signing a RW as something that is a bit late rather than a massive error. Before we desperately needed a RW, we desperately needed a striker, a CB, fullbacks, two CMs etc etc. 

 

It’s only now that other problems are solved that RW gets a disproportionate amount of attention. It’s not like it was the priority from day one. 
 

A bit like striker with Wilson, Miggy entering the form of his life was actually a bit unfortunate for our plan. But that’s understandable, if you’ve managed to get two players playing incredibly well you might naturally move your attention to other positions. 

 

 

Edited October 25, 2024 by AyeDubbleYoo

[JEToon]

6 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

In terms of us improving RW, the pool out there to do so is pretty big. For us to not do so is a failure, no excuses for it imo.

 

I don't think it is an excuse personally, I think the general premise from Howe is pretty logical, he doesn't want to just sign players for the sake of it. 

[TRon]

1 minute ago, JEToon said:

 

I don't think it is an excuse personally, I think the general premise from Howe is pretty logical, he doesn't want to just sign players for the sake of it. 

 

 

Which is fine as long as he's good with losing players who don't want to miss out on Europe.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

We’re not just looking to sign someone better than Miggy and Murphy like, imagine the reaction if that was the criteria. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, TRon said:

Which is fine as long as he's good with losing players who don't want to miss out on Europe.

You mean he knows we’ll miss out on Europe? 

[SUPERTOON]

2 minutes ago, JEToon said:

 

I don't think it is an excuse personally, I think the general premise from Howe is pretty logical, he doesn't want to just sign players for the sake of it. 

Aye I get that, but that suggests it’s difficult to find a RW out there that improves us. I’d disagree strongly on that. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

We needed a whole new first team basically. We have one outstanding problem position now, it’s not too bad IMO. 

[SUPERTOON]

4 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I see not signing a RW as something that is a bit late rather than a massive error. Before we desperately needed a RW, we desperately needed a striker, a CB, fullbacks, two CMs etc etc. 

 

It’s only now that other problems are solved that RW gets a disproportionate amount of attention. It’s not like it was the priority from day one. 
 

A bit like striker with Wilson, Miggy entering the form of his life was actually a bit unfortunate for our plan. But that’s understandable, if you’ve managed to get two players playing incredibly well you might naturally move your attention to other positions. 

 

 

 

I’d argue RW was more of a priority than signing Barnes, Hall and Tino last summer mind. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, SUPERTOON said:

Aye I get that, but that suggests it’s difficult to find a RW out there that improves us. I’d disagree strongly on that. 

Do we want someone who’s just better than Miggy and Murphy, or we want an actually top signing? 

[JEToon]

1 minute ago, TRon said:

 

 

Which is fine as long as he's good with losing players who don't want to miss out on Europe.

 

Open to question statement that. 

 

A squad that becomes bloated and loaded with 5th, 6th, 7th choice signing targets likely ends up missing out on Europe often 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

2 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

I’d argue RW was more of a priority than signing Barnes, Hall and Tino last summer mind. 

I honestly think signing Barnes has triggered more criticism than if we’d signed nobody. It’s way over the top and it’s not even a big mistake  We’re obsessed about it. 

 

I’m never going to criticise signing two brilliant young players, so have to agree to disagree on that one. 

 

 

Edited October 25, 2024 by AyeDubbleYoo

[JEToon]

4 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Aye I get that, but that suggests it’s difficult to find a RW out there that improves us. I’d disagree strongly on that. 

 

It doesn't, it suggests Howe has a high standard of player he wants to bring to Newcastle which is a good thing. 

 

A RW simply better than Murphy or Almiron, great, then what? We are hostage to that player for 4 years and a massive contract, or show a bit of patience, take a bit of time and build it over time which has always been the clear strategy from the club 

 

 

Edited October 25, 2024 by JEToon

[The Butcher]

The absolute woke nonsense that right footed wingers can't play on the right.

[timeEd32]

Just now, SUPERTOON said:

Aye I get that, but that suggests it’s difficult to find a RW out there that improves us. I’d disagree strongly on that. 

 

I don't think we're looking for a RW that just improves us. We're looking for a RW that's the same caliber as Bruno/Gordon/Isak/Olise, etc. You can disagree with that approach, but that seems to be what we were after.

[SUPERTOON]

1 minute ago, timeEd32 said:

 

I don't think we're looking for a RW that just improves us. We're looking for a RW that's the same caliber as Bruno/Gordon/Isak/Olise, etc. You can disagree with that approach, but that seems to be what we were after.

Possibly, but then we bid for Elanga so who knows.

[kingxlnc]

I honestly don't get why Gordon can't play there until January. Barnes is quality and I'd prefer Barnes goalscoring from the left prioritised, (and also Gordon's crossing ability from the right), rather than vice versa. 

[kingxlnc]

Gordon is quite opinionated - like Bellamy - and Barnes seems more of a team player - so can imagine Gordon would prefer to optimise where he feels he plays best. But it might be to the detriment of the team. B-I-G has always performed well, the few times it has been played. 

Then subs, bringing Murphy and Almiron on against tired legs can also do the job - better than if they start. 

[timeEd32]

4 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I honestly think signing Barnes has triggered more criticism than if we’d signed nobody. It’s way over the top and it’s not even a big mistake  We’re obsessed about it. 

 

I’m never going to criticise signing two brilliant young players, so have to agree to disagree on that one. 

 

 

 

 

None of the summer 2023 signings were a mistake in a vacuum (bar maybe Tonali, but I have no interest in that debate), but our planning has been flawed since that summer. The kindest, most explainable version of events is that they were part of a longer term plan that went up in smoke when Ashworth left. But even that version relied on selling someone in June so ultimately there's no excuse for the financial mismanagement. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 minute ago, timeEd32 said:

 

None of the summer 2023 signings were a mistake in a vacuum (bar maybe Tonali, but I have no interest in that debate), but our planning has been flawed since that summer. The kindest, most explainable version of events is that they were part of a longer term plan that went up in smoke when Ashworth left. But even that version relied on selling someone in June so ultimately there's no excuse for the financial mismanagement. 

 

You mean because we nearly breached PSR? Fair point yeah, but that's more an argument that we should've sold someone (or just spent less) I suppose. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

2 minutes ago, kingxlnc said:

Gordon is quite opinionated - like Bellamy - and Barnes seems more of a team player - so can imagine Gordon would prefer to optimise where he feels he plays best. But it might be to the detriment of the team. B-I-G has always performed well, the few times it has been played. 

Then subs, bringing Murphy and Almiron on against tired legs can also do the job - better than if they start. 

 

Yeah, it might be more about doing what Gordon wants and looking after him as much as anything else. 

[Kanj]

I’m not suprisied but am genuinely disturbed by the manic reaction to every bit of news, non news, and transfer window by our fan base these days. 

[TRon]

8 minutes ago, JEToon said:

 

Open to question statement that. 

 

A squad that becomes bloated and loaded with 5th, 6th, 7th choice signing targets likely ends up missing out on Europe often 

 

I think that can run for a window or two, but to still be resorting to Murphy or Miggy 3 years after Benitez left is disappointing. It's also inevitable that players who are top tier will want to play top tier football if we aren't staying ahead of the chasing pack.

[JEToon]

3 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

I think that can run for a window or two, but to still be resorting to Murphy or Miggy 3 years after Benitez left is disappointing. It's also inevitable that players who are top tier will want to play top tier football if we aren't staying ahead of the chasing pack.

 

I think that statement sounds great without context and in the form Miggy is in, but doesn't account for the form he was in, the PSR constraints placed on us to both make an addition in that area and also strip us of a player who would have played there 

 

I don't think top tier is our marker at the moment so don't have great concerns about missing out on players who are currently top tier, we haven't for the most part really bought players of that profile, we are a club looking to sign players projecting to be that and given the league we play in, wages we can offer and what the club threatens to be I am pretty confident we will be able to sign players of that profile for a fair while yet before they starting seeing us as a no go situation. 

 

 

Edited October 25, 2024 by JEToon

[SUPERTOON]

8 minutes ago, kingxlnc said:

I honestly don't get why Gordon can't play there until January. Barnes is quality and I'd prefer Barnes goalscoring from the left prioritised, (and also Gordon's crossing ability from the right), rather than vice versa. 

Personally would be against moving Gordon. He was our best player last season and his numbers were brilliant. I’d prefer to play the best players in their best position.

[SUPERTOON]

5 minutes ago, Kanji said:

I’m not suprisied but am genuinely disturbed by the manic reaction to every bit of news, non news, and transfer window by our fan base these days. 

Pretty fair discussion on here imo.