Marc Guehi

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, DiddyLevine said:

Prozletising is exactly what wearing the armband is

Which is why I’m more comfortable with a refusal to wear it than to scrawl on it.  No-one should be forced to wear the rainbow armband; but I’ll also not worry at all about that person being criticised for their refusal.

 

Despite the huge numbers of professional players, the number who’ve ’came out’ is miniscule.  How many footballers are known to be religious (and love to bang on about it?). 
 

Football - like society - has a problem with homophobia.  But football’s is more pronounced than most places.  Inclusionary messaging - including public shaming (yes, regardless of sensitivities) - is often what changes the way in which society treats marginalised groups.  People are still abused, beaten, and killed because of the simple dint of having been born with same-sex attraction.  I’ve no sympathy for bigots referencing the Pauline epistles as a valid reason to exclude an entire group of people.  

[Heron]

It's laughable tbh that we live in a democracy and supposed developed society yet the self assigned powers that be that exist largely in the media as propaganda agents have us all fighting about shit that shouldn't really matter to any of us as long as we're all happy and not negatively impacting others.

 

Meanwhile, religious leaders preach peace and to love fellow man but only if they like their God and not others

 

Apologies for being so facetious.

 

 

Edited December 3, 2024 by Heron

[madras]

Just now, Heron said:

It's laughable tbh that we live in a democracy and supposed developed society yet the self assigned powers that be that exist largely in the media as propaganda agents have us all fighting about shit that shouldn't really matter to any of us as long as we're all happy and not negatively impacting others.

 

 

You'd almost think it was a plan.

[El Prontonise]

Just now, Heron said:

It's laughable tbh that we live in a democracy and supposed developed society yet the self assigned powers that be that exist largely in the media as propaganda agents have us all fighting about shit that shouldn't really matter to any of us as long as we're all happy and not negatively impacting others.

 

 

 

Which media has caused this though? 

 

It's been driven by members of this forum this argument tbh.

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, Heron said:

It's laughable tbh that we live in a democracy and supposed developed society yet the self assigned powers that be that exist largely in the media as propaganda agents have us all fighting about shit that shouldn't really matter to any of us as long as we're all happy and not negatively impacting others.

 

 

A lot of it is distracting ‘culture wars’ nonsense.  But there is a negative impact in terms of telling a sizeable proportion of the population that you think that their existence is sinful. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

He was wearing the armband tonight, didn’t get a clear look but I presume without the Jesus phrase. 

 

 

Edited December 3, 2024 by AyeDubbleYoo

[El Prontonise]

1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

He was wearing the armband tonight, didn’t get a clear look but I presume without the Jesus phrase. 

 

 

 

 

[Ellis H]

2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

He was wearing the armband tonight, didn’t get a clear look but I presume without the Jesus phrase. 

 

 

 

“Jesus loves you” was on tonight. 

[BGRM]

 

2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

He was wearing the armband tonight, didn’t get a clear look but I presume without the Jesus phrase. 

 

 

 

I think he wrote "Jesus loves you"

[Heron]

1 minute ago, El Prontonise said:

 

Which media has caused this though? 

 

It's been driven by members of this forum this argument tbh.

I was just speaking generally mate.

 

Like Guehi should have just not wore it and no one should have made a deal of the fact he either chose to or not. It's his beliefs and it isn't harming or abusing anyone.

 

Now he wrote I love Jesus and there's a whole media circus and everyone saying whether it's right or wrong and sparking debate and blah blah blah

 

Just all unnecessary shite.

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, Ellis H said:

“Jesus loves you” was on tonight. 

Unless you’re a homosexual, presumably.  In which case fiery damnation awaits. 

[El Prontonise]

4 minutes ago, Heron said:

I was just speaking generally mate.

 

Like Guehi should have just not wore it and no one should have made a deal of the fact he either chose to or not. It's his beliefs and it isn't harming or abusing anyone.

 

Now he wrote I love Jesus and there's a whole media circus and everyone saying whether it's right or wrong and sparking debate and blah blah blah

 

Just all unnecessary shite.

 

Yeah I agree with that.

 

My issue is more how the PL are using these campaigns tbh to try to make themselves look inclusive etc, because at the end of the day it's all about the brand and nothing else.

 

 

Edited December 3, 2024 by El Prontonise

[Heron]

5 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

A lot of it is distracting ‘culture wars’ nonsense.  But there is a negative impact in terms of telling a sizeable proportion of the population that you think that their existence is sinful. 

See for me, homosexuals may well be aware that in Christianity and other religions it is considered a sin. However, if you don't believe in a God would you really give a shit? They probably laugh at the religious types for even believing in one.

 

I mean it's interesting stuff to discuss and we will be on Saturday but I don't know. Just think this thing with Guehi is unnecessary on his, the clubs and the leagues behalf.

[Heron]

4 minutes ago, El Prontonise said:

 

Yeah I agree with that.

 

My issue is more how the PL are using these campaigns tbh to try to make themselves look inclusive etc, because at the end of the day it's all about the brand and nothing else.

 

 

 

Most organisations are the same. Seen shit loads of people doing Movember in my business but hardly any did owt to raise money or awareness. Sustainability is a business buzz word now with all the Green energy and solutions but when it comes to what will save a quid they'd rather pour oil in their veins.

 

Money talks louder then anything and controversy and chaos let's the quids roll.

 

 

Edited December 3, 2024 by Heron

[Heron]

7 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Unless you’re a homosexual, presumably.  In which case fiery damnation awaits. 

Get a better tan in hell though

[El Prontonise]

Just now, Heron said:

Most organisations are the same. Seen ahkt loads of people doing Movember in my business but hardly any did owt to raise money or awareness. Sustainability is a business buzz word now with all the Green energy and solutions but when it comes to what will save a quid they'd rather pour oil in their veins.

 

Money talks louder then anything and controversy and chaos let's the quids roll.

 

100% agree.

 

Don't get me started on green washing, would be here for weeks.

 

 

Edited December 3, 2024 by El Prontonise

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, Heron said:

See for me, homosexuals may well be aware that in Christianity and other religions it is considered a sin. However, if you don't believe in a God would you really give a shit? They probably laugh at the religious types for even believing in one.

 

I mean it's interesting stuff to discuss and we will be on Saturday but I don't know. Just think this thing with Guehi is unnecessary on his, the clubs and the leagues behalf.

Yeah, I do agree generally.  I think Guehi is acting like a wally more than anything; I don’t think any player should be coerced into wearing the rainbow armband; and I think that the PL should’ve had a better response prepared than it has.  Surely it would have known in advance that something like this might occur?

 

I’ve zero sense of outrage about any of this, it is just something to discuss, and culture war shite is a massive distraction.  To me the obvious response to Guehi is to shake your head and think ‘what a wanker’. 

[El Prontonise]

3 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Yeah, I do agree generally.  I think Guehi is acting like a wally more than anything; I don’t think any player should be coerced into wearing the rainbow armband; and I think that the PL should’ve had a better response prepared than it has.  Surely it would have known in advance that something like this might occur?

 

I’ve zero sense of outrage about any of this, it is just something to discuss, and culture war shite is a massive distraction.  To me the obvious response to Guehi is to shake your head and think ‘what a wanker’. 

 

Yeah, he shouldn't be made to wear it and the message he did was pretty crap.  Maybe a message in the programme notes as captain about his views from his religion etc?

 

 

Edited December 3, 2024 by El Prontonise

[Jackie Broon]

There is all sorts of stuff that's is either explicitly a sin or can be interpreted as such from the old testament in particular that people do every day, including the gambling his shirt has two adverts for on. The reason some people chose to ignore all of that yet see fancying people of the same sex a sin is homophobia and nothing else.

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, El Prontonise said:

 

Yeah, he shouldn't be made to wear it and the message he did was pretty crap.  Maybe a message in the programme notes as captain about his views?

Yep, he has access to plenty of platforms to express whatever he wants to express.  

[madras]

2 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Yeah, I do agree generally.  I think Guehi is acting like a wally more than anything; I don’t think any player should be coerced into wearing the rainbow armband; and I think that the PL should’ve had a better response prepared than it has.  Surely it would have known in advance that something like this might occur?

 

I’ve zero sense of outrage about any of this, it is just something to discuss, and culture war shite is a massive distraction.  To me the obvious response to Guehi is to shake your head and think ‘what a wanker’. 

Which is another sin. 

[Heron]

If he loves Jesus is he gay 👀😅

[madras]

I'm tempted to go to the match tomorrow wearing a rainbow captains armband on which I've scrawled in marker pen "just don't be a cunt"

[TheBrownBottle]

3 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said:

There is all sorts of stuff that's is either explicitly a sin or can be interpreted as such from the old testament in particular that people do every day, including the gambling his shirt has two adverts for on. The reason some people chose to ignore all of that yet see fancying people of the same sex a sin is homophobia and nothing else.

Alcohol sponsors, banking sponsors (usury), etc etc.  Not a peep. 

[J7]

I actually hate what’s going on here. It should be an optional thing for one week or something. Those deciding to wear them should be actively making a decision to do it to show support. Because of the way the Premier League play it, with the media then pointing fingers and trying to get debate going around it, it just means that the statement is NOT wearing it, rather than people wearing it to show support. I’ve no idea what Bruno thinks and if he’s actually showing support for example.

 

I have no issue with what the Ipswich lad is doing. Nobody should be forced to show support for anything. I do think Guehi is being a bit of a prick though. Just don’t wear it if you don’t want to show support. It’s petulant and pathetic. 
 

Anyway, the most annoying thing here for me is because it looks like this campaign is being forced on players rather than it being a choice, it becomes another one of these culture way/identity politics issues. It’s hardly a wonder there’s a backlash to this kind of thing when people are being shamed for not toeing the line expected of them.