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Erikse

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39 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

But surely you can't win by not promoting progressive values?

 

Seems a bit like the woke argument, basically blaming people with compassion and belief in equality for the extreme reactions of people on the other side. Sometimes both sides of the argument aren't equally valid. 

 

 

 

 

 

Absolutely not, but what I'm talking about is being too quick with labelling people if they seemingly don't adhere with certain values, and making excessive assumptions about them. Guehi has not stopped anyone from promoting progressive values. I personally think people are idiots for supporting someone like Andrew Tate and such, but we've got to start asking ourselves why these types are becoming increasingly more popular. Sometimes we're just unnecessarily giving them fuel to play the woke card.

 

Not saying we should stop supporting pride, that's not my point. It's more about overreacting to certain things, especially when we don't know the full context.

 

 

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KennyUtd

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1 hour ago, GEFAFWISP said:

Anyways, enough of that shite Kenneth.

 

Is he just sick of people emphasising the GAY part of his surname and decided to scrawl his holy-humping on a rainbow to make himself feel better?

Fuck knows. I'm completely lost now. 

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KennyUtd

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1 hour ago, Ellis H said:

There’s quite a big and deliberate difference between Cisse kissing the ground when he scored and what Guehi has done. The inference is extremely clear, even if some are choosing not to see it due to their own “beliefs”.

 

 

 

Bingo, House, we have a winner. So anyone who doesn't see a problem is homophobic? Is that what you're saying? Good grief.

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KennyUtd

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1 hour ago, St. Maximin said:

It actually says that everyone is a sinner and gay people are no worse than straight people, but gay sex is a sin (not that all the followers think like that). I've mentioned before I grew up Christian and also think organised religion is ridiculous, but most people don't just happen to hate gays because of their beliefs. A lot of them, quite possibly Guehi here, feel compelled to follow the Bible and might even do it reluctantly, but just accepting they have to. I didn't know anyone who actually wanted to believe gay sex was a sin, let alone hated gays and I've known hundreds of Christians, so I'm in a pretty good place to comment here.

 

As always with these things some of the reactions are ridiculous, including on here. I do think Guehi is foolish for how he's acted, but he'd still be getting stick for just not wearing the armband altogether. Ultimately, people can interpet the meaning of it differently - for some it may just be about anti-discrimination in football, whereas for others it might be something more political and therefore I can understand why followers of Abrahamic religions feel it's incompatible with their beliefs even if it's just down to their interpetations. Why should they be forced to wear something they feel goes against their personal beliefs? Many footballers have quietly not taken part without making a fuss yet have still been made out to be nasty homophobes - it's a far cry from that rugby player explicitly sharing his views on social media.

 

It's like people just don't want nuance and room for subjectivity here. The supposedly tolerant people are very quick to put people in the racist/homophobic/Islamophobic/anti-semitic box without recognising their personal reasons. Funny how people sneer at "the gammons" for getting upset that James McLean doesn't wear a poppy (which he has every right not to, due to his own personal reasons), but that approach doesn't apply for religion. Doesn't want to wear a rainbow flag? Homophobe. Doesn't want to take the knee? Racist. Doesn't want to wear a poppy? IRA supporter.

Mate, you're sensible words and outlook are wasted on a message board. Be away with you.

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St. Maximin

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1 minute ago, Erikse said:

 

Absolutely not, but what I'm talking about is being too quick with labelling people if they seemingly don't adhere with certain values, and making excessive assumptions about them. Guehi has not stopped anyone from promoting progressive values. People are idiots for supporting someone like Andrew Tate and such, but we've got to start asking ourselves why these types are becoming increasingly more popular. We're giving them fuel to play the woke card.

I think this is true and unfortunately people on contrasting sides are pretty happy to contribute to the tribalism. If you do or don’t do something or vote for a certain party et al, you are a homophobe or a racist, rather than understanding why people are holding such views and the complexities of a lot of the issues. 

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Pablo123

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Just now, St. Maximin said:

I think this is true and unfortunately people on contrasting sides are pretty happy to contribute to the tribalism. If you do or don’t do something or vote for a certain party et al, you are a homophobe or a racist, rather than understanding why people are holding such views and the complexities of a lot of the issues. 

Great Post.

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