Víctor Muñoz: Signs For Liverpool

[Minhosa]

1 minute ago, oldtype said:

It's worth noting that the actual time that the deal is being discussed bears no relationship whatsoever of the time that leaks appear in the media. Again, would be very surprised if his agent wasn't talking to Liverpool on background from the moment we made our bid.

Every players agent will be talking to every interested party. Obviously. The point is, if we offer good terms and the club move quickly, it disincentivises the leaks. 
 

As it is, we’ve made tonnes of moves for tonnes of players and essentially been used to stoke up the fee/wages/agents cut. 

[The College Dropout]

3 minutes ago, oldtype said:

It's worth noting that the actual time that the deal is being discussed bears no relationship whatsoever of the time that leaks appear in the media. Again, would be very surprised if his agent wasn't talking to Liverpool on background from the moment we made our bid.

Well they haven’t negotiated with Osasuna so that helps timelines tremendously.  

[Kanj]

Speed and certainty get deals done man. It’s the oldest fucking rule in the book. If we paid 5m more than his release clause to get it done overnight it would have been done. Don’t be daft. 

[oldtype]

1 minute ago, Kanj said:

worth mentioning again (as you know) I make a living in acquisitions and know this world pretty fucking well.

 

I know but football transfers are a completely inbred weirdo market which I'm sure is very different from whatever normal stuff you are merging and acquiring.

[Minhosa]

1 minute ago, oldtype said:

In conclusion, this all sucks and I'm sure there are ways our transfer practices could be improved, but speed isn't one of them. Unless we're talking about moving an entire window in advance, speed is irrelevant to our ability to beat cartel clubs to a signing. We just can't.

Speed is a factor. As is certainty of terms on offer for the selling club, player and agent. We need these wheels greased and then we need to act with precision before the selling club leaks it. 

[JT24]

[oldtype]

1 minute ago, Kanj said:

Speed and certainty get deals done man. It’s the oldest fucking rule in the book. If we paid 5m more than his release clause to get it done overnight it would have been done. Don’t be daft. 

 

If there has been even some inkling of future interest registered in the past, not a single chance the agent lets his client sign anything without at least doing due diligence with Liverpool.

[The College Dropout]

1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I get the distinct impression they had a direct line to a decision-maker at PIF who could press the ‘release funds’ button.  We’re operating like we have to write a revised business case if the selling club wants an extra million more than we originally thought (and maybe this is the case). 

We also had more FFP wriggle room and didn’t know the consequences of a breach.  
 

We had a here we go for Joao Pedro for £30m on Friday.  Wilson gets injured on Sunday.  Isak is signed for £60m by Thursday.  
 

It’s night and day on many fronts.  

[timeEd32]

Maybe we spent too much time haggling. Or maybe we had it effectively done with the player and his agent saying "we need to think about it." And by that what they really meant was we need to see if one of the elite clubs is interested and will add a couple million to his wages.

 

I'm not sure why the one that is NUFC's fault is the assumed scenario.

[Minhosa]

Just now, oldtype said:

 

If there has been even some inkling of future interest registered in the past, not a single chance the agent lets his client sign anything without at least doing due diligence with Liverpool.

Unless he is in some way INCENTIVISED. 

[r0cafella]

2 minutes ago, Kanj said:

Speed and certainty get deals done man. It’s the oldest fucking rule in the book. If we paid 5m more than his release clause to get it done overnight it would have been done. Don’t be daft. 

I think when we look are reporting timelines this makes sense but ultimately I don't think it works that way. As long as Liverpool are in touch with his agent then our speed is limited anyways. 

 

For all we know we could have been pushing them like mad but getting blue ticked

 

It's a negotiation you can only go as fast as other parties. 

[The College Dropout]

Acting like speed isn’t a factor is delusional. 
 

Speed is a factor when hiring folks for regular jobs.  It’s a factor ijn deals literally worth dozens and potentially hundreds of millions. 

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, The College Dropout said:

We also had more FFP wriggle room and didn’t know the consequences of a breach.  
 

We had a here we go for Joao Pedro for £30m on Friday.  Wilson gets injured on Sunday.  Isak is signed for £60m by Thursday.  
 

It’s night and day on many fronts.  

Yeah, I think that comes into it - but if it is just down to FFP, then the club should have a reasonable understanding of available funds (maximum amortisation + wages + bonuses) and understand their headroom.  If it is what is driving it, then that is the people at the club who are dropping the ball. 

[oldtype]

Just now, Minhosa said:

Unless he is in some way INCENTIVISED. 

 

Separate and apart from all of my prior points, it's also hard for us to incentivize given that the agent is making a percentage of the contract value as a baseline and that is going to be much much higher if he goes to a cartel club. That's part of why they try so hard to make it happen.

[Minhosa]

Just now, TheBrownBottle said:

Yeah, I think that comes into it - but if it is just down to FFP, then the club should have a reasonable understanding of available funds (maximum amortisation + wages + bonuses) and understand their headroom.  If it is what is driving it, then that is the people at the club who are dropping the ball. 

Or just sign one player less per window. There’s not one player we signed last summer, I wouldn’t have jettisoned to have got one of the top targets instead. Not one. 

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, timeEd32 said:

Maybe we spent too much time haggling. Or maybe we had it effectively done with the player and his agent saying "we need to think about it." And by that what they really meant was we need to see if one of the elite clubs is interested and will add a couple million to his wages.

 

I'm not sure why the one that is NUFC's fault is the assumed scenario.

Because all of the press around it was about negotiation directing with Osasuna and R Madrid - haggling over bonus payments etc.  This isn’t necessary if you trigger the release clause. 

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, Minhosa said:

Or just sign one player less per window. There’s not one player we signed last summer, I wouldn’t have jettisoned to have got one of the top targets instead. Not one. 

100%

[Minhosa]

1 minute ago, oldtype said:

 

Separate and apart from all of my prior points, it's also hard for us to incentivize given that the agent is making a percentage of the contract value as a baseline and that is going to be much much higher if he goes to a cartel club. That's part of why they try so hard to make it happen.

Again, that’s why I’ve said we need to sign one player less per window to offer better terms. 

[Minhosa]

6 minutes ago, Kanj said:

Speed and certainty get deals done man. It’s the oldest fucking rule in the book. If we paid 5m more than his release clause to get it done overnight it would have been done. Don’t be daft. 

Yep. As the old saying goes ‘time kills all deals’. 

[timeEd32]

1 minute ago, The College Dropout said:

Acting like speed isn’t a factor is delusional. 
 

Speed is a factor when hiring folks for regular jobs.  It’s a factor ijn deals literally worth dozens and potentially hundreds of millions. 

 

Sure, but if an employee has a solid offer from Adobe or Zillow while waiting to hear back from Google or Netflix they are going to delay the process. 

[The College Dropout]

On 05/06/2026 at 16:25, Miggys First Goal said:

 

 

We knew there was competition and we decided to dither over a few million. 
 

Iraola signed for Liverpool the day before the first reports.   Do Liverpool get this done 7-10 days ago if we had agreed a fee and terms?

 

Dont know because we never evens agreed a fee. 

[Minhosa]

Just now, timeEd32 said:

 

Sure, but if an employee has a solid offer from Adobe or Zillow while waiting to hear back from Google or Netflix they are going to delay the process. 

Aye but the whole point of the discussion is that we’d agreed the fee BEFORE anyone else came in. If the Agents commission reduces for every day we’re waiting you can be sure they’ll get to the point fucking quickly. 

[timeEd32]

2 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Because all of the press around it was about negotiation directing with Osasuna and R Madrid - haggling over bonus payments etc.  This isn’t necessary if you trigger the release clause. 

 

I really struggle to accept that we're always getting all of the information, so that may or may not be entirely the problem. Also a form of where PSR hurts us though because an extra few million per year is meaningless to Liverpool (we have also dug our own grave on this in a number of ways to be clear).

[r0cafella]

Just now, Minhosa said:

Aye but the whole point of the discussion is that we’d agreed the fee BEFORE anyone else came in. If the Agents commission reduces for every day we’re waiting you can be sure they’ll get to the point fucking quickly. 

This doesn't really work though

 

It's on a penalty if the player has no other suitors. Let's not pretend the agent isn't getting paid either way like. 

[Kanj]

I know nothing but YouTube of the lad so I’m only upset we lost out on a target in this manner but if we end up with a quality winger of same ilk I won’t lose sleep over this. Just hope we learned our lesson quick today and we fix it now and not late in the window.

 

also i sincerely hope Howe and his family tell his old mates at Liverpool to fuck clean off. That’s chinning worthy. Absolute scum bags strike again.