St James' Park

[GeordieDazzler]

St James 2028

 

 

[et tu brute]

15 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

All well and good but we aren’t just expanding the Gallowgate and being left with the East Stand in it’s current guise.

 

 

The owners aren't going to fork out the money that it would cost (with no returns from the limited amount of seats it could extend to) and a loss in current revenue whilst any extension takes place. That's besides the people who would lose their seats for a season or two. Don't understand how people still can't see this.

[Stifler]

28 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

All well and good but we aren’t just expanding the Gallowgate and being left with the East Stand in it’s current guise.

They will have to talk with Nexus regardless. If we want an increase in capacity, without the need of building over the Metro station, we would need to talk to them to make sure they can satisfy demand, and that they are running their system safely.

With big increases in capacity, such as a new stadium, there will also be talks about increasing capacity at the station. This could mean anything from being able to double up both sides of the station with waiting trains after the match, or if we are talking about no budget stadium, even adding additional platforms for awaiting trains.

With the capacity figures going round, I’m going to guess that a big part of being granted permission for a 70k-80k seater stadium, there will be provisions that as many people as possible make their way via public transport. This could mean the club pushing the Magpie Mover more, potentially offering it for free, or like I said, major re-configuration of the station.

I would also anticipate that more shuttle busses are offered, especially after midweek and late KO games.

 

As it happens, I think we will end up with a permanent fanzone park where the Stack is when we get our new stadium, however as I have said, the increase in capacity we are looking at is going to mean that we have to improve access to/from the station, and improve the Metro connection it provides.

 

Edit: Also, the East stand is made of materials and a method that has a life expectancy of 50 years. The East stand is now 50 years old, and pretty much life expired now.

The newest parts of the stadium are now 25 years old, and likely 30 years old by the time a new stadium comes around.

 

 

Edited November 6 by Stifler

[Wallsendmag]

1 hour ago, et tu brute said:

The owners aren't going to fork out the money that it would cost (with no returns from the limited amount of seats it could extend to) and a loss in current revenue whilst any extension takes place. That's besides the people who would lose their seats for a season or two. Don't understand how people still can't see this.

 

Not that I'm advocating an extension of the Gallowgate (waste of time and money) but never understood why people think current ST holders would lose their seats whilst said expansion was happening.

 

I had my ST in the Leazes when the L7 expansion happened and none of us lost out seats, same with those in the Milburn Stand. We just got wet when it rained for a season. That infamous Derby being the worst!

[Fezzle]

9 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Not that I'm advocating an extension of the Gallowgate (waste of time and money) but never understood why people think current ST holders would lose their seats whilst said expansion was happening.

 

I had my ST in the Leazes when the L7 expansion happened and none of us lost out seats, same with those in the Milburn Stand. We just got wet when it rained for a season. That infamous Derby being the worst!

 They would need to demolish the whole gallowgate and no doubt both corners for a spell to build a new stand given it's just been slapped on top of the old stand and the metro foundations need sorted. It's simply not strong enough to build on top of like the others. That's not taking into account the massive access issues with h&s involved around that area.

[Stifler]

19 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Not that I'm advocating an extension of the Gallowgate (waste of time and money) but never understood why people think current ST holders would lose their seats whilst said expansion was happening.

 

I had my ST in the Leazes when the L7 expansion happened and none of us lost out seats, same with those in the Milburn Stand. We just got wet when it rained for a season. That infamous Derby being the worst!

To be honest though, we have already been told that even if it’s an extension, it will be more like a rebuild, and that really, a rebuild is the ‘minimum option’. Even taking away the Metro station complications, it won’t be a case of doing what was done for the Leazes end.

 

 

Edited November 6 by Stifler

[et tu brute]

38 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Not that I'm advocating an extension of the Gallowgate (waste of time and money) but never understood why people think current ST holders would lose their seats whilst said expansion was happening.

 

I had my ST in the Leazes when the L7 expansion happened and none of us lost out seats, same with those in the Milburn Stand. We just got wet when it rained for a season. That infamous Derby being the worst!

Totally different as you have Metro incursions with any building work, you didn't have that with the leazes end. Why do you think the reported cost is so large.

[Wallsendmag]

25 minutes ago, et tu brute said:

Totally different as you have Metro incursions with any building work, you didn't have that with the leazes end. Why do you think the reported cost is so large.

 

Not sure what the reported costs are tbh but over quarter of a century on, and with the spiralling costs of materials and labour I'd expect costs to be far higher anyway.

 

Still unsure as to why some of the 31k ST holders wouldn't be able to go for a year or two.

[Wallsendmag]

1 hour ago, Stifler said:

To be honest though, we have already been told that even if it’s an extension, it will be more like a rebuild, and that really, a rebuild is the ‘minimum option’. Even taking away the Metro station complications, it won’t be a case of doing what was done for the Leazes end.

 

 

 

 

But even if we "lost" the entire Gallowgate End that's only 12k seats if you include both corners, and of those 12k seats there's probably 8/9k ST holders so still can't work out why people are saying they wouldn't be able to go whilst the work is being carried out. Surely they'd just be relocated as the capacity would still be around the 40k mark.

[Stifler]

5 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

But even if we "lost" the entire Gallowgate End that's only 12k seats if you include both corners, and of those 12k seats there's probably 8/9k ST holders so still can't work out why people are saying they wouldn't be able to go whilst the work is being carried out. Surely they'd just be relocated as the capacity would still be around the 40k mark.

As I said though, you aren’t just demolishing 1 stand. If we work on SJP, it is going to be a rebuild. We are then talking about adjusting the footprint, and moving the pitch.

At the very least, you would have 2 stands down at any stage.

[Keegans Export]

5 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

But even if we "lost" the entire Gallowgate End that's only 12k seats if you include both corners, and of those 12k seats there's probably 8/9k ST holders so still can't work out why people are saying they wouldn't be able to go whilst the work is being carried out. Surely they'd just be relocated as the capacity would still be around the 40k mark.

It's not just the logistics, it's the money.

 

If we use 40k as the number that's 12k less to sell to Members game-to-game. Even at £40 per ticket that's just shy of £500k every home game.

[Wallsendmag]

10 minutes ago, Keegans Export said:

It's not just the logistics, it's the money.

 

If we use 40k as the number that's 12k less to sell to Members game-to-game. Even at £40 per ticket that's just shy of £500k every home game.

 

Yeah but that's not really what I was getting at. People saying ST holders wouldn't be able to go to games but I just can't see how that would be the case.

 

We only have 31k ST holders and the Milburn and Leazes ends alone could comfortably accommodate all them.

 

Anyway, hope it's a theory that's never tested!

[et tu brute]

44 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Yeah but that's not really what I was getting at. People saying ST holders wouldn't be able to go to games but I just can't see how that would be the case.

 

We only have 31k ST holders and the Milburn and Leazes ends alone could comfortably accommodate all them.

 

Anyway, hope it's a theory that's never tested!

Let's just say you're correct (I don't think you are as there will be season ticket holders who will not be able to go and work will have to also take place on the East and Milburn stand to incorporate any extension), it makes no difference as there will still be a lot of revenue lost from match going fans not attending, which will directly effect PSR as it currently stands. As you said though hopefully we won't find out. 

[Wallsendmag]

9 hours ago, et tu brute said:

Let's just say you're correct (I don't think you are as there will be season ticket holders who will not be able to go and work will have to also take place on the East and Milburn stand to incorporate any extension), it makes no difference as there will still be a lot of revenue lost from match going fans not attending, which will directly effect PSR as it currently stands. As you said though hopefully we won't find out. 

 

For the loss of revenue alone whilst SJP is rebuilt, and for the end result (7k cheap seats built on top of the Gallowgate and maybe a slight remodelling of the East Stand) I can't see any logical reason for going down that route.

[et tu brute]

1 hour ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

For the loss of revenue alone whilst SJP is rebuilt, and for the end result (7k cheap seats built on top of the Gallowgate and maybe a slight remodelling of the East Stand) I can't see any logical reason for going down that route.

Yep totally agree 

[Stifler]

Rugby Leagues Magic Weekend is coming back to SJP in May next year.

[Wallsendmag]

4 minutes ago, Stifler said:

Rugby Leagues Magic Weekend is coming back to SJP in May next year.

 

Apparently Elland Road was rubbish this year. Nothing around it and the stadium is a right dump. People basically went to watch their own team then just went home. Newcastle has always been the choice of the fans and with the Stack there now I expect they'll enjoy it even more.

 

Got to say I've been to a few of the Magic Weekends here and it's always been a fantastic occasion.

[Tross]

1 minute ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Apparently Elland Road was rubbish this year. Nothing around it and the stadium is a right dump. People basically went to watch their own team then just went home. Newcastle has always been the choice of the fans and with the Stack there now I expect they'll enjoy it even more.

 

Got to say I've been to a few of the Magic Weekends here and it's always been a fantastic occasion.

 

Heard they're only allowing Newcastle Thunder fans in the Stack for that weekend. 

[Stifler]

7 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

Apparently Elland Road was rubbish this year. Nothing around it and the stadium is a right dump. People basically went to watch their own team then just went home. Newcastle has always been the choice of the fans and with the Stack there now I expect they'll enjoy it even more.

 

Got to say I've been to a few of the Magic Weekends here and it's always been a fantastic occasion.

Yeah, I think this is the 2nd time that they have tried to move it away from Newcastle, and it’s failed.

I think the fact that we are not on the M62 Super League corridor, helps with attendances. Fans have to come up, and usually have to stay the night or 2. It is pointless coming up to only see your team play.

Stocking it in Leeds is within normal commuting distance for most of the clubs, so they are able to treat games as a normal home game.

[Stifler]

5 minutes ago, Tross said:

Heard they're only allowing Newcastle Thunder fans in the Stack for that weekend. 

That would seem daft. Newcastle Thunder only get something like 200 fans, and aren’t in the Super League.

Seems pointless to limit the Stack to less than 10% of it’s capacity, especially when Super League clubs fans often mingle with each other before, during, and after games.

[Wallsendmag]

5 minutes ago, Tross said:

 

Heard they're only allowing Newcastle Thunder fans in the Stack for that weekend. 

 

 

At least it'll be easy to get served at the bar then! Holds 3k and their average gate is around 400.

 

In all seriousness I actually had a season ticket at Thunder for a few years but a mixture of COVID arriving and it clashing with the bairns football on a Sunday meant we had to give them up. Enjoyed it though. Its a good sport to watch.

[Tross]

Just now, Stifler said:

That would seem daft. Newcastle Thunder only get something like 200 fans, and aren’t in the Super League.

Seems pointless to limit the Stack to less than 10% of it’s capacity, especially when Super League clubs fans often mingle with each other before, during, and after games.

 

Suppose that's what happens when you operate a No Away Fans policy 

[Wallsendmag]

1 minute ago, Stifler said:

That would seem daft. Newcastle Thunder only get something like 200 fans, and aren’t in the Super League.

Seems pointless to limit the Stack to less than 10% of it’s capacity, especially when Super League clubs fans often mingle with each other before, during, and after games.

 

Think it's a wind up mate 

[Wallsendmag]

4 minutes ago, Stifler said:

Yeah, I think this is the 2nd time that they have tried to move it away from Newcastle, and it’s failed.

I think the fact that we are not on the M62 Super League corridor, helps with attendances. Fans have to come up, and usually have to stay the night or 2. It is pointless coming up to only see your team play.

Stocking it in Leeds is within normal commuting distance for most of the clubs, so they are able to treat games as a normal home game.

 

Aye definitely. Fans make a weekend of it up here and it ends up being a bit of a carnival atmosphere whereas it's more of a run of the mill game when it's played in their heartlands.

[pinkeye]

On 06/11/2024 at 20:57, Wallsendmag said:

 

But even if we "lost" the entire Gallowgate End that's only 12k seats if you include both corners, and of those 12k seats there's probably 8/9k ST holders so still can't work out why people are saying they wouldn't be able to go whilst the work is being carried out. Surely they'd just be relocated as the capacity would still be around the 40k mark.

 

This is probably the main reason that new season tickets have not been offered for the last couple of years.  Knowing that there would be a need to temporarily relocate sections of the ground should a redevelopment take place.