St James' Park

[Stifler]

19 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Not that I'm advocating an extension of the Gallowgate (waste of time and money) but never understood why people think current ST holders would lose their seats whilst said expansion was happening.

 

I had my ST in the Leazes when the L7 expansion happened and none of us lost out seats, same with those in the Milburn Stand. We just got wet when it rained for a season. That infamous Derby being the worst!

To be honest though, we have already been told that even if it’s an extension, it will be more like a rebuild, and that really, a rebuild is the ‘minimum option’. Even taking away the Metro station complications, it won’t be a case of doing what was done for the Leazes end.

 

 

Edited November 6, 2024 by Stifler

[et tu brute]

38 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Not that I'm advocating an extension of the Gallowgate (waste of time and money) but never understood why people think current ST holders would lose their seats whilst said expansion was happening.

 

I had my ST in the Leazes when the L7 expansion happened and none of us lost out seats, same with those in the Milburn Stand. We just got wet when it rained for a season. That infamous Derby being the worst!

Totally different as you have Metro incursions with any building work, you didn't have that with the leazes end. Why do you think the reported cost is so large.

[Wallsendmag]

25 minutes ago, et tu brute said:

Totally different as you have Metro incursions with any building work, you didn't have that with the leazes end. Why do you think the reported cost is so large.

 

Not sure what the reported costs are tbh but over quarter of a century on, and with the spiralling costs of materials and labour I'd expect costs to be far higher anyway.

 

Still unsure as to why some of the 31k ST holders wouldn't be able to go for a year or two.

[Wallsendmag]

1 hour ago, Stifler said:

To be honest though, we have already been told that even if it’s an extension, it will be more like a rebuild, and that really, a rebuild is the ‘minimum option’. Even taking away the Metro station complications, it won’t be a case of doing what was done for the Leazes end.

 

 

 

 

But even if we "lost" the entire Gallowgate End that's only 12k seats if you include both corners, and of those 12k seats there's probably 8/9k ST holders so still can't work out why people are saying they wouldn't be able to go whilst the work is being carried out. Surely they'd just be relocated as the capacity would still be around the 40k mark.

[Stifler]

5 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

But even if we "lost" the entire Gallowgate End that's only 12k seats if you include both corners, and of those 12k seats there's probably 8/9k ST holders so still can't work out why people are saying they wouldn't be able to go whilst the work is being carried out. Surely they'd just be relocated as the capacity would still be around the 40k mark.

As I said though, you aren’t just demolishing 1 stand. If we work on SJP, it is going to be a rebuild. We are then talking about adjusting the footprint, and moving the pitch.

At the very least, you would have 2 stands down at any stage.

[Keegans Export]

5 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

But even if we "lost" the entire Gallowgate End that's only 12k seats if you include both corners, and of those 12k seats there's probably 8/9k ST holders so still can't work out why people are saying they wouldn't be able to go whilst the work is being carried out. Surely they'd just be relocated as the capacity would still be around the 40k mark.

It's not just the logistics, it's the money.

 

If we use 40k as the number that's 12k less to sell to Members game-to-game. Even at £40 per ticket that's just shy of £500k every home game.

[Wallsendmag]

10 minutes ago, Keegans Export said:

It's not just the logistics, it's the money.

 

If we use 40k as the number that's 12k less to sell to Members game-to-game. Even at £40 per ticket that's just shy of £500k every home game.

 

Yeah but that's not really what I was getting at. People saying ST holders wouldn't be able to go to games but I just can't see how that would be the case.

 

We only have 31k ST holders and the Milburn and Leazes ends alone could comfortably accommodate all them.

 

Anyway, hope it's a theory that's never tested!

[et tu brute]

44 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Yeah but that's not really what I was getting at. People saying ST holders wouldn't be able to go to games but I just can't see how that would be the case.

 

We only have 31k ST holders and the Milburn and Leazes ends alone could comfortably accommodate all them.

 

Anyway, hope it's a theory that's never tested!

Let's just say you're correct (I don't think you are as there will be season ticket holders who will not be able to go and work will have to also take place on the East and Milburn stand to incorporate any extension), it makes no difference as there will still be a lot of revenue lost from match going fans not attending, which will directly effect PSR as it currently stands. As you said though hopefully we won't find out. 

[Wallsendmag]

9 hours ago, et tu brute said:

Let's just say you're correct (I don't think you are as there will be season ticket holders who will not be able to go and work will have to also take place on the East and Milburn stand to incorporate any extension), it makes no difference as there will still be a lot of revenue lost from match going fans not attending, which will directly effect PSR as it currently stands. As you said though hopefully we won't find out. 

 

For the loss of revenue alone whilst SJP is rebuilt, and for the end result (7k cheap seats built on top of the Gallowgate and maybe a slight remodelling of the East Stand) I can't see any logical reason for going down that route.

[et tu brute]

1 hour ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

For the loss of revenue alone whilst SJP is rebuilt, and for the end result (7k cheap seats built on top of the Gallowgate and maybe a slight remodelling of the East Stand) I can't see any logical reason for going down that route.

Yep totally agree 

[Stifler]

Rugby Leagues Magic Weekend is coming back to SJP in May next year.

[Wallsendmag]

4 minutes ago, Stifler said:

Rugby Leagues Magic Weekend is coming back to SJP in May next year.

 

Apparently Elland Road was rubbish this year. Nothing around it and the stadium is a right dump. People basically went to watch their own team then just went home. Newcastle has always been the choice of the fans and with the Stack there now I expect they'll enjoy it even more.

 

Got to say I've been to a few of the Magic Weekends here and it's always been a fantastic occasion.

[Tross]

1 minute ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Apparently Elland Road was rubbish this year. Nothing around it and the stadium is a right dump. People basically went to watch their own team then just went home. Newcastle has always been the choice of the fans and with the Stack there now I expect they'll enjoy it even more.

 

Got to say I've been to a few of the Magic Weekends here and it's always been a fantastic occasion.

 

Heard they're only allowing Newcastle Thunder fans in the Stack for that weekend. 

[Stifler]

7 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

Apparently Elland Road was rubbish this year. Nothing around it and the stadium is a right dump. People basically went to watch their own team then just went home. Newcastle has always been the choice of the fans and with the Stack there now I expect they'll enjoy it even more.

 

Got to say I've been to a few of the Magic Weekends here and it's always been a fantastic occasion.

Yeah, I think this is the 2nd time that they have tried to move it away from Newcastle, and it’s failed.

I think the fact that we are not on the M62 Super League corridor, helps with attendances. Fans have to come up, and usually have to stay the night or 2. It is pointless coming up to only see your team play.

Stocking it in Leeds is within normal commuting distance for most of the clubs, so they are able to treat games as a normal home game.

[Stifler]

5 minutes ago, Tross said:

Heard they're only allowing Newcastle Thunder fans in the Stack for that weekend. 

That would seem daft. Newcastle Thunder only get something like 200 fans, and aren’t in the Super League.

Seems pointless to limit the Stack to less than 10% of it’s capacity, especially when Super League clubs fans often mingle with each other before, during, and after games.

[Wallsendmag]

5 minutes ago, Tross said:

 

Heard they're only allowing Newcastle Thunder fans in the Stack for that weekend. 

 

 

At least it'll be easy to get served at the bar then! Holds 3k and their average gate is around 400.

 

In all seriousness I actually had a season ticket at Thunder for a few years but a mixture of COVID arriving and it clashing with the bairns football on a Sunday meant we had to give them up. Enjoyed it though. Its a good sport to watch.

[Tross]

Just now, Stifler said:

That would seem daft. Newcastle Thunder only get something like 200 fans, and aren’t in the Super League.

Seems pointless to limit the Stack to less than 10% of it’s capacity, especially when Super League clubs fans often mingle with each other before, during, and after games.

 

Suppose that's what happens when you operate a No Away Fans policy 

[Wallsendmag]

1 minute ago, Stifler said:

That would seem daft. Newcastle Thunder only get something like 200 fans, and aren’t in the Super League.

Seems pointless to limit the Stack to less than 10% of it’s capacity, especially when Super League clubs fans often mingle with each other before, during, and after games.

 

Think it's a wind up mate 

[Wallsendmag]

4 minutes ago, Stifler said:

Yeah, I think this is the 2nd time that they have tried to move it away from Newcastle, and it’s failed.

I think the fact that we are not on the M62 Super League corridor, helps with attendances. Fans have to come up, and usually have to stay the night or 2. It is pointless coming up to only see your team play.

Stocking it in Leeds is within normal commuting distance for most of the clubs, so they are able to treat games as a normal home game.

 

Aye definitely. Fans make a weekend of it up here and it ends up being a bit of a carnival atmosphere whereas it's more of a run of the mill game when it's played in their heartlands.

[pinkeye]

On 06/11/2024 at 20:57, Wallsendmag said:

 

But even if we "lost" the entire Gallowgate End that's only 12k seats if you include both corners, and of those 12k seats there's probably 8/9k ST holders so still can't work out why people are saying they wouldn't be able to go whilst the work is being carried out. Surely they'd just be relocated as the capacity would still be around the 40k mark.

 

This is probably the main reason that new season tickets have not been offered for the last couple of years.  Knowing that there would be a need to temporarily relocate sections of the ground should a redevelopment take place.

 

[Paully]

28 minutes ago, Tross said:

 

Heard they're only allowing Newcastle Thunder fans in the Stack for that weekend. 

[Fezzle]

1 hour ago, Stifler said:

That would seem daft. Newcastle Thunder only get something like 200 fans, and aren’t in the Super League.

Seems pointless to limit the Stack to less than 10% of it’s capacity, especially when Super League clubs fans often mingle with each other before, during, and after games.

[Wallsendmag]

1 hour ago, pinkeye said:

 

This is probably the main reason that new season tickets have not been offered for the last couple of years.  Knowing that there would be a need to temporarily relocate sections of the ground should a redevelopment take place.

 

 

I think we're simply following what other clubs are doing tbh. When you are getting guaranteed sell out crowds you can generate far more money by selling tickets game by game through memberships than season tickets.

 

For example Anfield holds 61k but they only allow 25k ST holders. 

[nufcjb]

Let me guess. It is coming back to SJP because it is 'bang in the city center?'

[adamjk007]

Someone senior at work knows the chosen planning consultant for the stadium expansion, They said this was moving quite quick now so maybe the decision has been made by the club?