Dokko Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 City Council need to be flexible and open minded with any plans to revamp SJP and keep it where it is. Moving it outside the city would be hugely damaging to business via tourism and they'll have a lot of tax paying venues who are already on the edge deciding it's just not worth it. Nothing should be off the table, including listed buildings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 We need to persuade Gateshead to bid for the Commonwealth Games, with a series of govt and lottery grants to build a 50k athletics stadium. Then use that on a temporary basis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Dokko said: City Council need to be flexible and open minded with any plans to revamp SJP and keep it where it is. Moving it outside the city would be hugely damaging to business via tourism and they'll have a lot of tax paying venues who are already on the edge deciding it's just not worth it. Nothing should be off the table, including listed buildings. Listed buildings should - and will - be off the table. And that’s not the council’s call. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 Just been Google mapping to see the size of the city stadium site justbout of curiosity (too small)...... never knew Newcastle had a Walrus street. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: We need to persuade Gateshead to bid for the Commonwealth Games, with a series of govt and lottery grants to build a 50k athletics stadium. Then use that on a temporary basis. That will cost hundreds of billions to host. Edited December 5, 2023 by El Prontonise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said: Listed buildings should - and will - be off the table. And that’s not the council’s call. Imagine losing SJP and moving the new stadium to benton, due to them. It's ludicrous. They don't have to be destroyed, just make both work for the 21st century and keeping the heartbeat of a city. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 Putting to one side the sickening notion of leaving SJP; knocking it down and starting again is arguably my least favourite option as the thought of knocking around at some temporary digs for a couple of years is truly repugnant and would probably set us back on the pitch. I'm starting to fear that a new stadium is the most likely outcome, eventually, and I'll have to just try and emotionally get behind that. I accept that, whatever they do with SJP, it'll never match the corporate utopias of other new/redeveloped arenas. Being there for Sam Fender was a bit of an eye-opener for me in terms of understanding its limitations purely as a 'venue.' Obviously echo everyone's thoughts about Castle Leazes and a land swap being the best of all 'leave' options. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 7 minutes ago, Dokko said: Imagine losing SJP and moving the new stadium to benton, due to them. It's ludicrous. They don't have to be destroyed, just make both work for the 21st century and keeping the heartbeat of a city. T Dan Smith and his pals already ripped half the Georgian city out. I would rather move to Benton than pull those buildings down tbh - happily though, I don’t think that will be the choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 19 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: It wasn’t last time - the vast, vast majority were happy to leave SJP. Outside of the city centre? Shocked at that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 10 minutes ago, El Prontonise said: That will cost hundreds of billions to host. Yep - though it would come external funding, like Wembley, the CoM or the London Olympic Stadium. (I’m not serious mind). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Decky said: Outside of the city centre? Shocked at that. No, to Leazes Park. No-one here is onboard with moving far away from the city centre - nor is it necessary. edit: over 100k of us signed up to it. The Mag printed surveys. Edited December 5, 2023 by TheBrownBottle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 19 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: It wasn’t last time - the vast, vast majority were happy to leave SJP. I can't really remember much about the Castle Leazes carry-on, what's changed since then? Seemed at the time that the majority of fans were in favour of the new ground, now its "sickening" or "tearing out the club's soul"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 Just now, TheBrownBottle said: T Dan Smith and his pals already ripped half the Georgian city out. I would rather move to Benton than pull those buildings down tbh - happily though, I don’t think that will be the choice. How often do you go visit the buildings? What's you're greatest memory of them? You'll get a good view of them when they tear down SJP after we've moved. Be all worth it I'm sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 (edited) Land swap with Castle Leazes could genuinely be great. I do love the idea of expanded green space closer to the city and as a thoroughfare to the ground. As long as any new stadium looked like a football stadium and not that airport terminal posted a few pages back. Edited December 5, 2023 by ponsaelius Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 Just now, Dokko said: How often do you go visit the buildings? What's you're greatest memory of them? You'll get a good view of them when they tear down SJP after we've moved. Be all worth it I'm sure. Fuck it, let’s pull down Grey Street too. Who gives a shite? The castle keep while we’re at it - who actually visits it? Falling to bits anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, Keegans Export said: I can't really remember much about the Castle Leazes carry-on, what's changed since then? Seemed at the time that the majority of fans were in favour of the new ground, now it’s "sickening" or "tearing out the club's soul"? Honestly mate, no idea - I think it might just be people being over emotive on social media. There was no outcry last time. Most of SJP is younger than the average ST holder - I’m at a complete loss to where this ‘we can’t move postal address’ thing came from. The club is not the ground. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 Just now, TheBrownBottle said: Fuck it, let’s pull down Grey Street too. Who gives a shite? The castle keep while we’re at it - who actually visits it? Falling to bits anyway. One has uses and the other is an actual tourist attraction. These buildings just exist. But glad they mean more to people than SJP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J7 Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 Let’s be honest, the Saudis are going to want to show of something that they’ve done too. I love SJP too, but it’s difficult to compare it to something that doesn’t exist yet. My seats pretty good in the Gallowgate and I can stand all game, but tbh I can’t imagine it being up to much half way up Leazes. I don’t get the ‘I don’t want sushi’ bizarre argument too. Don’t buy it if you don’t want it. Demanding less options because you, personally, just want to have a cheap pint and then watch the game is a bit strange imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 Just now, TheBrownBottle said: Honestly mate, no idea - I think it might just be people being over emotive on social media. There was no outcry last time. Most of SJP is younger than the average ST holder - I’m at a complete loss to where this ‘we can’t move postal address’ thing came from. The club is not the ground. I mean, it is a bit. Which of the tangible aspects make a meaningful contribution to the intangible notion of 'the club,' in your view, if not SJP? Would you be arsed if we got rid of the badge? The stripes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 Just now, Yorkie said: I mean, it is a bit. Which of the tangible aspects make a meaningful contribution to the intangible notion of 'the club,' in your view, if not SJP? Would you be arsed if we got rid of the badge? The stripes? Just grt rid of the lot. Move the training ground to London. Change the name of the club while we're at it. What's a club anyway? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 Just now, Dokko said: One has uses and the other is an actual tourist attraction. These buildings just exist. But glad they mean more to people than SJP. The historic Georgian sandstone buildings of Newcastle? Yes, they mean more to me than the concrete and steel stands hoyed up by Hall and Shepherd. I’m emotionally attached to my city and club - not to a recently built football stadium. The city lost huge parts of the old Grainger town in the 1960s in an act of cultural vandalism - we should be very careful about allowing it again, and it needs to be for a better reason than ‘I can’t bear the notion of watching football a couple of hundred yards further down the road’ Sentiment, if anything, is attached to the building, not the land on which it sits. England itself has proof of this - plenty of football fans get misty eyed about the old Wembley, but I doubt many do about the new one. It’s on the same site, but there’s no emotional attachment to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, Yorkie said: I mean, it is a bit. Which of the tangible aspects make a meaningful contribution to the intangible notion of 'the club,' in your view, if not SJP? Would you be arsed if we got rid of the badge? The stripes? We had a different badge when I was a kid - again, it’s younger than the average ST holder. I wouldn’t get emotive over that either. I wouldn’t want to see the kit changed, though. The ground isn’t the club - the club represents the city, not the ground. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 The last thing the city centre needs is more glass and steel, it's already gone quite tatty imo in places. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 The straw man of moving to somewhere like Benton is not even worth mentioning imo. Neither the owners nor fans would ever want it. Any move would be within the vicinity of the city centre. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: The historic Georgian sandstone buildings of Newcastle? Yes, they mean more to me than the concrete and steel stands hoyed up by Hall and Shepherd. I’m emotionally attached to my city and club - not to a recently built football stadium. The city lost huge parts of the old Grainger town in the 1960s in an act of cultural vandalism - we should be very careful about allowing it again, and it needs to be for a better reason than ‘I can’t bear the notion of watching football a couple of hundred yards further down the road’ Sentiment, if anything, is attached to the building, not the land on which it sits. England itself has proof of this - plenty of football fans get misty eyed about the old Wembley, but I doubt many do about the new one. It’s on the same site, but there’s no emotional attachment to it. The past shouldn't stand in the way of the future, but it can be part of it. Make them part of the new design and give them a new purpose, as at the minute they do nothing but stop a city from growing. Shame if that's what they were known as for future generations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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