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Mick

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with all due respect to Sir Bobby, but that idea was just fookin ridiculous. btw... mpenza is s***, wasted talent-that's it

 

Bellamy has already been mentioned, I'm sure he was classed as the same while at Coventry, he did alright when he came here.  I'm not certain that he would have done a good job here (Mpenza), you just don't know.  Certain players are brilliant for one club yet fail at another, somethimes they just feel right at one club and play much better because of it.

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with all due respect to Sir Bobby, but that idea was just fookin ridiculous. btw... mpenza is s***, wasted talent-that's it

 

Bellamy has already been mentioned, I'm sure he was classed as the same while at Coventry, he did alright when he came here.  I'm not certain that he would have done a good job here (Mpenza), you just don't know.  Certain players are brilliant for one club yet fail at another, somethimes they just feel right at one club and play much better because of it.

 

fair enough, but I still think that idea was ... unbelivable.. that times ofcourse

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Nobby

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3-4 years ago he was doing pretty well for Schalke with Ebbe Sand, I'm sure.  Him signing for Man City now hardly proves he was s**** then, does it?  Maybe not the "rising star" but if we'd have signed him then, he'd have done a job.

 

would he have scored 206 goals in 10 seasons while missing the most part of at least 2 of them is the question you should be asking yourself

 

Shearer didn't score 206 goals in 10 seasons after Robson tried to sell him.

 

 

NO HE DIDN'T HE SCORED THESE

 

8/9/01 Middlesbrough Riverside 4-1 (2 (1 pen), 95)

13/10/01 Bolton Wanderers Reebok 4-0 (1, 96)

3/11/01 Aston Villa St. James' 3-0 (1, 97)

24/11/01 Derby County St. James' 1-0 (1 (pen), 98)

27/11/01 Ipswich Town *St. James' 4-1 (2, 100)

18/12/01 Arsenal Highbury 3-1 (1 (pen), 101)

22/12/01 Leeds United Elland Road 4-3 (1 (pen), 102)

26/12/01 Middlesbrough St. James' 3-0 (1, 103)

29/12/01 Chelsea St. James' 1-2 (1, 104)

2/1/02 Manchester Utd Old Trafford 1-3 (1, 105)

5/1/02 Crystal Palace *St. James' 2-0 (1, 106)

27/1/02 Peterborough *London Road 4-2 (1 (pen), 107)

30/1/02 Tottenham Hotspur White H Lane 3-1 (1, 108)

2/2/02 Bolton Wanderers St. James' 3-2 (2, 110)

9/2/02 Southampton St. James' 3-1 (2 (1 pen), 112)

16/3/02 Ipswich Town St. James' 2-2 (1, 113)

29/3/02 Everton St. James' 6-2 (1, 114)

2/4/02 Aston Villa Villa Park 1-1 (1, 115)

20/4/02 Charlton St. James' 3-0 (1, 116)

23/4/02 Blackburn Ewood Park 2-2 (2, 118)

27/4/02 West Ham Utd St. James' 3-1 (1, 119)

11/5/02 Southampton St. Mary's 1-3 (1, 120)

 

2002/03

19/8/02 West Ham United St. James' 4-0 (1, 121)

28/8/02 Zeljeznicar *St. James' 4-0 (1, 122)

2/9/02 Liverpool Anfield 2-2 (1, 123)

21/9/02 Sunderland St. James' 2-0 (1, 124)

5/10/02 West Bromwich St. James' 2-1 (2, 126)

19/10/02 Blackburn Rovers Ewood Park 2-5 (2 (1 pen), 128)

29/10/02 Dynamo Kiev *St. James' 2-1 (1 (pen), 129)

23/11/02 Manchester Utd Old Trafford 3-5 (1, 130)

1/12/02 Everton St. James' 2-1 (1, 131)

7/12/02 Aston Villa Villa Park 1-0 (1, 132)

26/12/02 Bolton Wanderers Reebok 3-4 (2, 134)

29/12/02 Tottenham St. James' 2-1 (1, 135)

5/1/03 Wolves *Molineux 2-3 (1 (pen), 136)

18/1/03 Manchester City St. James' 2-0 (1, 137)

22/2/03 Leeds United Elland Road 3-0 (1, 138)

26/2/03 Bayer Leverkusen *St. James' 3-1 (3 (1 pen), 141)

12/3/03 Inter Milan *San Siro 2-2 (2, 143)

15/3/03 Charlton The Valley 2-0 (1 (pen), 144)

19/4/03 Fulham Loftus Road 1-2 (1, 145)

 

2003/04

17/8/03 Leeds United Elland Road 2-2 (2 (1 pen), 147)

23/8/03 Manchester Utd St. James' 1-2 (1, 148)

13/9/03 Everton Goodison 2-2 (2 (2 pens), 150)

24/9/03 NAC Breda *St. James' 5-0 (1, 151)

4/10/03 SouthamptonSt. James' 1-0 (1, 152)

21/10/03 Fulham Loftus Road 3-2 (2 (1 pen), 154)

25/10/03 Portsmouth St. James' 3-0 (1 (pen), 155)

22/11/03 Manchester City St. James' 3-0 (2, 157)

29/11/03 Wolverhampton Molineux 1-1 (1, 158)

6/12/03 Liverpool St. James' 1-1 (1 (pen), 159)

13/12/03 Tottenham St. James' 4-0 (2, 161)

7/1/04 Leeds Utd St. James' 1-0 (1, 162)

21/2/04 Middlesbrough St. James' 2-1 (1 (pen), 163)

3/3/04 Valerenga *St. James' 3-1 (1, 164)

11/3/04 Real Mallorca *St. James' 4-1 (1, 165)

20/3/04 Charlton St. James' 3-1 (2, 167)

25/3/04 Real Mallorca *Son Moix 3-0 (2, 169)

3/4/04 Everton St. James' 4-2 (2, 171)

14/4/04 PSV Eindhoven *St. James' 2-1 (1, 172)

25/4/04 Chelsea St. James' 2-1 (1, 173)

 

2004/05

14/8/04 Middlesbrough Riverside 2-2 (1, 174)

11/9/04 Blackburn Rovers St. James' 3-0 (1, 175)

25/9/04 West Bromwich St. James' 3-1 (1, 176)

30/9/04 Hapoel Sakhnin* Ramat Gan 5-1 (3 (1 pen), 179)

21/10/04 Panionios *Nea Smymi 1-0 (1 (pen), 180)

24/10/04 Manchester City St. James' 4-3 (1 (pen), 181)

4/11/04 Dinamo Tbilisi *St. James' 2-0 (1, 182)

14/11/04 Manchester Utd St. James' 1-3 (1, 183)

15/1/05 Southampton St. James' 2-1 (1 (pen), 184)

29/1/05 Coventry City *St. James' 3-1 (1, 185)

2/2/05 Manchester City City of Manch 1-1 (1, 186)

17/2/05 Heerenveen *Abe Lenstra 2-1 (1, 187)

24/2/05 Heerenveen *St. James' 2-1 (1, 188)

10/3/05 Olympiacos *G Karaiskakis 3-1 (1 (pen), 189)

16/3/05 Olympiacos *St. James' 4-0 (2, 191)

7/4/05 Sporting Lisbon *St. James' 1-0 (1, 192)

 

2005/06

23/7/05 FK ZTS Dubnica *St. James' 2-0 (2, 194)

18/9/05 Blackburn Ewood Park 3-0 (1, 195)

26/10/05 Grimsby Town *Blundell Park 1-0 (1, 196)

30/10/05 West Bromwich Hawthorns 3-0 (1, 197)

3/12/05 Aston Villa St. James' 1-1 (1 (pen), 198)

17/12/05 West Ham Upton Park 4-2 (1, 199)

7/1/06 Mansfield Town *St James' 1-0 (1, 200)

4/2/06 Portsmouth St James' 2-0 (1, 201)

4/3/06 Bolton St James' 3-0 (1, 202)

1/4/06 Tottenham St. James' (1, 203)

15/4/06 Wigan St. James' (2, 205)

17/4/06 Sunderland Stadium of Light (1, 206)

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Baggio

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Bobby wasn't going to sell Shearer. He turned down Liverpool's offer.

 

He wanted Mpenza aswell - who was doing very well at the time. He saw him as the long term replacement goalscorer for Shearer.

 

Shepherd turned down Liverpool's offer.

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tmonkey

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Fact is that Shearer's performance levels went seriously downhill within about a season of Sir Bobby wanting to sell him.

 

That, for me, indicates that Sir Bobby was right in trying to cash in when the opportunity was still there. Not only that, but he wanted to replace Shearer with a more mobile player - everyone raved about the added dimension Bellamy gave to us, so what was stopping us from having two players up front who made such a big difference to the team?

 

Its no different to what ManU have done with Van Nistelrooy being replaced by Saha. The arguements used in this thread about Shearer's individual record could apply just as much to RVN, plenty of ManU fans were upset at losing their main goalscorer who has consistently scored heavily for them - then look at the difference between league positions with RVN last season and without him this season. Its the team that benefitted from his departure, and thats what should be most important, and what a great manager like Sir Bobby realised early on.

 

:idiot2: indeed.

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Nobby

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And I'm pretty sure it was later than 2001 when Liverpool made a bid, near the end of the 2002/2003 season iirc.

 

 

 

:nono:

 

Source?

 

:smiley6600: Freddy

 

So you don't really know then.

 

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-63111944.html

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-63096390.html

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-63104991.html

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-63528891.html

 

more where that came from

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tmonkey

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And I'm pretty sure it was later than 2001 when Liverpool made a bid, near the end of the 2002/2003 season iirc.

 

 

 

:nono:

 

Source?

 

:smiley6600: Freddy

 

So you don't really know then.

 

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-63111944.html

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-63096390.html

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-63104991.html

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-63528891.html

 

more where that came from

 

More of...what am I looking at, apart from random transfer speculation about a player who was linked to all the big clubs back around those times?

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tmonkey

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I've got Robson's book in front of me now, he even says "The sole acquisution that summer was Lee Bowyer" which was in 2003.

 

Aye, same as in my book, it was definately in the summer of 03. Summer of 04, Blackburn and Celtic were interested.

 

Its interesting that he denies he ever tried to sell Shearer, although at the same time, he talks about it being an incoming offer rather than him trying to flog Big Al - and if you look at his actions on the day, its paints the picture of a manager who was interested in selling.

 

Recieves phone call from Houllier, runs up to the chairman who says "I cant sell our crown jewels", which Sir Bobby agrees with but then suggests that if he sold Shearer for 3mill he could buy Mpenza for 1 mill, to which the chairman gave a flat out "No".

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Nobby

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I remember in Sir Bobs autobiography, Robson went to Shepherd with an idea of selling Shearer to Liverpool for 4 million and bringing this guy in for about 900 grand, as he was the next big thing

 

 

 

 

 

more like 8million not 900grand like

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I remember in Sir Bobs autobiography, Robson went to Shepherd with an idea of selling Shearer to Liverpool for 4 million and bringing this guy in for about 900 grand, as he was the next big thing

 

 

 

 

 

more like 8million not 900grand like

 

Sir Bobby's autobiography, Farewell but not Goodbye, Chapter "The Crown Jewels" page 239, paragraph one:

 

"What are you going to do about Alan's contract here? If you did sell him for three million - and I'm not saying you should - I would get a striker in for one point two million whom I like very much. He's called Emile Mpenza - twenty-three years old, powerful and quick, with strong legs. He might be the future".
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Baggio

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I've got Robson's book in front of me now, he even says "The sole acquisution that summer was Lee Bowyer" which was in 2003.

 

Aye, same as in my book, it was definately in the summer of 03. Summer of 04, Blackburn and Celtic were interested.

 

Its interesting that he denies he ever tried to sell Shearer, although at the same time, he talks about it being an incoming offer rather than him trying to flog Big Al - and if you look at his actions on the day, its paints the picture of a manager who was interested in selling.

 

Recieves phone call from Houllier, runs up to the chairman who says "I cant sell our crown jewels", which Sir Bobby agrees with but then suggests that if he sold Shearer for 3mill he could buy Mpenza for 1 mill, to which the chairman gave a flat out "No".

 

Blackburn and Celtic were interested in 2005 iirc.

 

Bobby said "I assured Freddy Shepherd that Alan would be fine for 2003-04, but was unable to issue any guarantees for the season after that"

 

He was 100% spot on too.

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Gallowgate End

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Bobby wasn't going to sell Shearer. He turned down Liverpool's offer.

 

He wanted Mpenza aswell - who was doing very well at the time. He saw him as the long term replacement goalscorer for Shearer.

 

al last someone with a bit of sense

 

anybody who actually believes Sir Bobby wanted to sell Shearer needs there heads checked, i suspose these are they same people who would suscribe to that of Sir Bobby having no control of the dressing room despite getting 3rd, 4th, 5h  :rolleyes:

 

-these myths are laughable whats more laughable is those who believe them-

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Baggio

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Bobby wasn't going to sell Shearer. He turned down Liverpool's offer.

 

He wanted Mpenza aswell - who was doing very well at the time. He saw him as the long term replacement goalscorer for Shearer.

 

al last someone with a bit of sense

 

anybody who actually believes Sir Bobby wanted to sell Shearer needs there heads checked, i suspose these are they same people who would suscribe to that of Sir Bobby having no control of the dressing room despite getting 3rd, 4th, 5h  :rolleyes:

 

-these myths are laughable whats more laughable is those who believe them-

 

Have you read Sir Bobbys book?

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