Spuds tonight

[Dave]

the video would only be reviewed if and when a penalty is given, to either confirm or overule the ref

 

So you only refer it to video after the ref on the field has already decided it's a pen.? 

 

You'd have anarchy man!!

 

That was kinda my point earlier.

[Guest Invicta_Toon]

the video would only be reviewed if and when a penalty is given, to either confirm or overule the ref

 

So you only refer it to video after the ref on the field has already decided it's a pen.? 

 

You'd have anarchy man!!

 

That was kinda my point earlier.

 

well there used to be anarchy when refs made a complete fuckup, but now everyone seems to accept it. daft

[Guest Rafa]

Stop being a complete clown. If you watched both our games you would see that the refs were a complete joke and that ultimately cost us at the end, no matter how good Sevilla played in the first half. Any NEUTRAL would agree.

 

neutrals seem to realise that Sevilla where by far the better team, and whatever the Ref did or didn't do, they would have had enough in them to win the tie.

 

I guess you have to realise, that a neutral will see things that a blinkered fan of the team won't. It'd be the same for many of us if it was our team involved. We'd whine and cry about it, but deep down we'd know we where well beaten.

 

[Wullie]

Never going to happen anyway, it's an unworkable situation. I would say there are more "not-given" penalties when there's a good case than there are incorrectly given ones.

[midds]

the video would only be reviewed if and when a penalty is given, to either confirm or overule the ref

 

So you only refer it to video after the ref on the field has already decided it's a pen.? 

 

You'd have anarchy man!!

 

how? doesn't happen in any other sport. As said above, you can have the ref have the final say if he's overuled. Ref's make mistakes, who's honestly going to disagree with that?

 

I thought if the refs/umps weren't sure about a decision, they asked for tv help before they gave the decision. Not the other way around. What happens if it happens 3 or 4 times in a match? Ref gives 3 pens initially but it is then proved, via replay, he was wrong for each one!! There would be a riot!

[Guest Invicta_Toon]

Never going to happen anyway, it's an unworkable situation. I would say there are more "not-given" penalties when there's a good case than there are incorrectly given ones.

 

but a not given penalty hardly has the ability to change the game as much as an incorrectly given penalty

[Wullie]

Never going to happen anyway, it's an unworkable situation. I would say there are more "not-given" penalties when there's a good case than there are incorrectly given ones.

 

but a not given penalty hardly has the ability to change the game as much as an incorrectly given penalty

 

It changes the game exactly the same, it's a penalty.

[midds]

the video would only be reviewed if and when a penalty is given, to either confirm or overule the ref

 

So you only refer it to video after the ref on the field has already decided it's a pen.? 

 

You'd have anarchy man!!

 

That was kinda my point earlier.

 

I now realise this! Couldn't get my head around Vic's absurd suggestion first time round.

[Dave]

Never going to happen anyway, it's an unworkable situation. I would say there are more "not-given" penalties when there's a good case than there are incorrectly given ones.

 

but a not given penalty hardly has the ability to change the game as much as an incorrectly given penalty

 

Why not?

[Guest Invicta_Toon]

the video would only be reviewed if and when a penalty is given, to either confirm or overule the ref

 

So you only refer it to video after the ref on the field has already decided it's a pen.? 

 

You'd have anarchy man!!

 

how? doesn't happen in any other sport. As said above, you can have the ref have the final say if he's overuled. Ref's make mistakes, who's honestly going to disagree with that?

 

I thought if the refs/umps weren't sure about a decision, they asked for tv help before they gave the decision. Not the other way around. What happens if it happens 3 or 4 times in a match? Ref gives 3 pens initially but it is then proved, via replay, he was wrong for each one!! There would be a riot!

 

 

alright, well you could change it so that each time the ref thinks he has seen a pen, he reviews the tape

 

 

if there was a ref awarding 3 incorrect penalties a match, I agree there would be a riot

[Guest kingdawson]

The ref on both legs was a complete joke. Whatever you think about us the facts are they got a dodgy pen in the 1st leg which clearly wasnt a pen and we should have had a pen tonight. Add to that the disgraceful play acting by Sevilla that both refs encouraged. They played far better then us 1st half but they were utter s**** 2nd half. In the 1st leg they didnt perform at all. We missed a lot of clear cut chances which was our major problem. Oh well still proud of the 2nd half display.

 

They're better than you lot. Stop crying.

 

showed more fight than we did tbf

 

Correct.

 

You didn't have Newcastle fans blaming the ref for the result though. In general, we accepted that Alkmaar had been the better team over the two legs.

 

Stop being a complete clown. If you watched both our games you would see that the refs were a complete joke and that ultimately cost us at the end, no matter how good Sevilla played in the first half. Any NEUTRAL would agree.

 

 

 

Give over man, Sevilla were better.

 

Alkmaar were the first competent team NUFC played in the UEFA cup and we were undone, likewise with Spurs. Undone by opposistion technically very good and capable of scoring goals.

 

 

 

They were better in the 1st half and that was it. they were a complete joke in the 1st leg until the dodgy ref from Luxemborg gave them a ridiculous penalty that didnt even look remotly like a penalty. He then decided to invent the new "drop ball" rule which basically was 'if a team kick it out for a clear corner, instead of giving the corner to the opposition he will instead call 2 players from opposite teams to contest a drop-ball'.

 

[midds]

the video would only be reviewed if and when a penalty is given, to either confirm or overule the ref

 

So you only refer it to video after the ref on the field has already decided it's a pen.? 

 

You'd have anarchy man!!

 

how? doesn't happen in any other sport. As said above, you can have the ref have the final say if he's overuled. Ref's make mistakes, who's honestly going to disagree with that?

 

I thought if the refs/umps weren't sure about a decision, they asked for tv help before they gave the decision. Not the other way around. What happens if it happens 3 or 4 times in a match? Ref gives 3 pens initially but it is then proved, via replay, he was wrong for each one!! There would be a riot!

 

 

alright, well you could change it so that each time the ref thinks he has seen a pen, he reviews the tape

 

if there was a ref awarding 3 incorrect penalties a match, I agree there would be a riot

 

Sense at last!!

 

 

 

[Guest Invicta_Toon]

Never going to happen anyway, it's an unworkable situation. I would say there are more "not-given" penalties when there's a good case than there are incorrectly given ones.

 

but a not given penalty hardly has the ability to change the game as much as an incorrectly given penalty

 

It changes the game exactly the same, it's a penalty.

 

 

If the ref doesnt see it it stays 0-0. arguably it might dishearten players or embolden the transgressors, but it hardly gives a clear advantage to one side or the other

 

whereas an unjust penalty makes it 1-0, a clear advantage from a bad decision

[Wullie]

Never going to happen anyway, it's an unworkable situation. I would say there are more "not-given" penalties when there's a good case than there are incorrectly given ones.

 

but a not given penalty hardly has the ability to change the game as much as an incorrectly given penalty

 

It changes the game exactly the same, it's a penalty.

 

 

If the ref doesnt see it it stays 0-0. arguably it might dishearten players or embolden the transgressors, but it hardly gives a clear advantage to one side or the other

 

whereas an unjust penalty makes it 1-0, a clear advantage from a bad decision

 

If it's 0-0 but should be 1-0, then the fouling team has the advantage - one from a bad decision!

[Dave]

What if Newcastle don't get a pen in the last minute of the Cup final and then go on to lose on pens. You could honestly accept this?

 

Of course it affects the game, teams will be relegated this year because of stick-on pens they didn't get.

[Guest Invicta_Toon]

What if Newcastle don't get a pen in the last minute of the Cup final and then go on to lose on pens. You could honestly accept this?

 

 

this happens already. what's your point?

[Stevie]

The ref on both legs was a complete joke. Whatever you think about us the facts are they got a dodgy pen in the 1st leg which clearly wasnt a pen and we should have had a pen tonight. Add to that the disgraceful play acting by Sevilla that both refs encouraged. They played far better then us 1st half but they were utter s**** 2nd half. In the 1st leg they didnt perform at all. We missed a lot of clear cut chances which was our major problem. Oh well still proud of the 2nd half display.

 

They're better than you lot. Stop crying.

 

showed more fight than we did tbf

 

Correct.

 

You didn't have Newcastle fans blaming the ref for the result though. In general, we accepted that Alkmaar had been the better team over the two legs.

 

Stop being a complete clown. If you watched both our games you would see that the refs were a complete joke and that ultimately cost us at the end, no matter how good Sevilla played in the first half. Any NEUTRAL would agree.

 

 

 

Give over man, Sevilla were better.

 

Alkmaar were the first competent team NUFC played in the UEFA cup and we were undone, likewise with Spurs. Undone by opposistion technically very good and capable of scoring goals.

 

 

 

They were better in the 1st half and that was it. they were a complete joke in the 1st leg until the dodgy ref from Luxemborg gave them a ridiculous penalty that didnt even look remotly like a penalty. He then decided to invent the new "drop ball" rule which basically was 'if a team kick it out for a clear corner, instead of giving the corner to the opposition he will instead call 2 players from opposite teams to contest a drop-ball'.

 

You lost, get on with it.  Sevilla went 4-1 up on aggeregate, they didn't need to chase the game, and apart from two lucky bounces of the ball were really quite comfortable.  You're out beaten by a different class side to yourselves, stop the small time mentality, you're not got enough, deal with it.  When we go out, we have an inquest about why we're so shit, no recriminations about referees or bad luck.  We could say we'd have beaten AZ if the ref didn't give that ridiculous penalty, but we don't because we were beaten by a better side in Holland, as you were tonight.

[Dave]

What if Newcastle don't get a pen in the last minute of the Cup final and then go on to lose on pens. You could honestly accept this?

 

 

this happens already. what's your point?

 

The point is if it was given by the ref and then taken away it would be ludicrous to say the decision had no effect on the outcome of the match.

[Guest Invicta_Toon]

What if Newcastle don't get a pen in the last minute of the Cup final and then go on to lose on pens. You could honestly accept this?

 

 

this happens already. what's your point?

 

The point is if it was given by the ref and then taken away it would be ludicrous to say the decision had no effect on the outcome of the match.

 

changed this a few posts back

[Dave]

So you've changed your entire argument now?

[Guest Invicta_Toon]

So you've changed your entire argument now?

 

no, it's still a video review of a penalty decision

[Dave]

So you've changed your entire argument now?

 

no, it's still a video review of a penalty decision

 

The only thing that stirred up so much discussion was your assertion we should review pens after the award.

[Guest Invicta_Toon]

So you've changed your entire argument now?

 

no, it's still a video review of a penalty decision

 

The only thing that stirred up so much discussion was your assertion we should review pens after the award.

 

well, it still is, but it obviously is up to the ref to decide if he's given one first. Again, this is not about stopping the game everytime a player shouts

[Guest kingdawson]

The ref on both legs was a complete joke. Whatever you think about us the facts are they got a dodgy pen in the 1st leg which clearly wasnt a pen and we should have had a pen tonight. Add to that the disgraceful play acting by Sevilla that both refs encouraged. They played far better then us 1st half but they were utter s**** 2nd half. In the 1st leg they didnt perform at all. We missed a lot of clear cut chances which was our major problem. Oh well still proud of the 2nd half display.

 

They're better than you lot. Stop crying.

 

showed more fight than we did tbf

 

Correct.

 

You didn't have Newcastle fans blaming the ref for the result though. In general, we accepted that Alkmaar had been the better team over the two legs.

 

Stop being a complete clown. If you watched both our games you would see that the refs were a complete joke and that ultimately cost us at the end, no matter how good Sevilla played in the first half. Any NEUTRAL would agree.

 

 

 

Give over man, Sevilla were better.

 

Alkmaar were the first competent team NUFC played in the UEFA cup and we were undone, likewise with Spurs. Undone by opposistion technically very good and capable of scoring goals.

 

 

 

They were better in the 1st half and that was it. they were a complete joke in the 1st leg until the dodgy ref from Luxemborg gave them a ridiculous penalty that didnt even look remotly like a penalty. He then decided to invent the new "drop ball" rule which basically was 'if a team kick it out for a clear corner, instead of giving the corner to the opposition he will instead call 2 players from opposite teams to contest a drop-ball'.

 

You lost, get on with it.  Sevilla went 4-1 up on aggeregate, they didn't need to chase the game, and apart from two lucky bounces of the ball were really quite comfortable.  You're out beaten by a different class side to yourselves, stop the small time mentality, you're not got enough, deal with it.  When we go out, we have an inquest about why we're so s***, no recriminations about referees or bad luck.  We could say we'd have beaten AZ if the ref didn't give that ridiculous penalty, but we don't because we were beaten by a better side in Holland, as you were tonight.

 

As opposed to 1 of there goals being a complete cock-up by one of our midfielders . If you want to look at it that way we could easily say we were not in any danger in the 1st leg apart from a joke of a pen and a lucky header that was caused by another total cock up by one of our players. The only class goal they scored was the kanoute goal tonight so please dont go on about the "lucky bounces" we had for our goals.

The stats show that we had more shots on target, more shots of target, more corners and more possession tonight so i fail to see how we were beaten by the better team. Dont get me wrontg, Sevilla are a better team then us but they most certainly didnt prove it over the 2 legs (except the 1st half tonight).

[Greg]

So you've changed your entire argument now?

 

no, it's still a video review of a penalty decision

 

The only thing that stirred up so much discussion was your assertion we should review pens after the award.

 

well, it still is, but it obviously is up to the ref to decide if he's given one first. Again, this is not about stopping the game everytime a player shouts

 

But then what is the fucking point if the referee still has to make the desicion that he could well get wrong and then the decision does not go to a TV replay? Your idea is fucking stupid, just like you.