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"Mike Ashley is a shrewd man" - David Craig. Rightio.

Cunt? People would pay more attention to you if you weren't so personal about him tbh.

So is it Ashley playing the prank or Sky?

Surely even Sky wouldn't lower themselves to reporting this for hours purely for a prank?

How many pages before sky apologise then? What's the text number to contact them?

Not great to see nobody else picking up on this yet. I'm cancelling sky if this is an april fool.

Back on. Top news.

I'd happily kill David Craig first.

I'd like an admin role if we go down. Expert on lower league football after all

It can't be a joke, surely? Even the few people left backing Ashley would give up.

It's been on SSN for 10 minutes. Is nobody else watching?

It's on SSN, right now. David Craig reporting.

Hadn't actually crossed my mind that it would be an april fool. That'd go down well wouldn't it

Exactly. Exactly. That's why they wouldn't announce it if it wasn't true.

http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~1609447,00.html Alan Shearer...

Is that a real story? Scunthorpe, Leicester and Leeds are all looking at him!!

Bent has 10 league goals this season, better than Owen, and only 5 behind the premiership's top scorer. Bent hasn't started nearly as many as Owen either Is Capello laughable? because he clearly agrees with me. Owen has failed at international level post 98. He's chipped in with a few goals in friendlies but where it matters he hasn't delivered. He's England's 6th choice striker now, and rightfully so totally agree, owen is totally past it and his england career is rightly finished and is the worst captain I have seen at this club that's one of the reason's were in the shit, remember the liverpool game, when we we're getting thumped where was owen, if that had been shearer then head's would of rumbled with players in that game We lost plenty of games with Shearer in the team.

There was a thread mind saying JFK should be made permanent manager. And nobody was really behind Kinnear, but especially during the aftermath of September plenty of people were all behind Ashley. This one? http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,60776.0.html Question: Do you want Joe Kinnear to be NUFC manager permanently? Yes - 5 (2.1%) No - 236 (97.9%) Total Voters: 241 I'm sure there was quite a few people saying he should be though after Villa, Pompey etc. It was way before that though. The pompy away game was the worst, i remember a thread saying something along the lines of "lets all give thanks to mike ashley" WTF We beat a shit Tony Adams side and people started giving each other cyber hand jobs. Wasn't the "let's all give thanks to Mike Ashley" purely about finances?

Wise is out of contract anyway in summer isn't he?

Can't you leave the conversation after you've explained why you've blamed the police for failing to weed out ticketless fans when you're also claiming that ticketless fans had zero impact.

are you going to blame the police for them being held up in the traffic too ? toonlass, get a grip. Nobody is saying some things could have been done differently, but saying the supporters themselves aren't responsible for their own actions is ridiculous If the subject that we were discussing wasn't so tragic I would be able to laugh at how ignorant you have been NE5. Are the fans responsible for the police not having a cordon that they had the year before to stop ticketless fans anywhere near the ground? Are the fans responsible for the police forcibly making fans with tickets for other areas of the ground go to the Leppings Lane end? Are the fans responsible for the police and stewards not placing personnel at the entrance of the tunnel up to pens 3 and 4 when they were full, which was what normally happened at games? I don't expect you to answer these questions NE5, as per your habit of never answering direct questions with anything but hyperbole. I answer direct questions a lot more than a lot of people on here. I see you have never demanded Ozzie Mandiarse in particular answer the question I asked him for weeks, at least. I've told you what I think, and you haven't stated anything that will change my mind. Nobody is saying some things were done badly, but people have to take some responsibility for their own actions. Whatever. You seem quite obsessed with this, almost as much as you are obsessed with me. Any reason why ? Don't flatter yourself. Are you prepared to answer any of the questions in the post above or just hijack this thread? Hijack the thread ? What are you talking about woman Taking the thread off topic, re-read your post before this one. Nothing to do with the subject. its just a reply to you. There are plenty of people putting up points here, if you aren't obsessed. You won't change your mind. My opinion is based on fact, your's is based on? Also fact, like most of my opinions, and also the view that people take responsibility for their own actions. Now, get back onto the thread, or stop accusing me of derailing it..... ok back on topic, why not try answering these questions. Are the fans responsible for the police not having a cordon that they had the year before to stop ticketless fans anywhere near the ground? Are the fans responsible for the police forcibly making fans with tickets for other areas of the ground go to the Leppings Lane end? Are the fans responsible for the police and stewards not placing personnel at the entrance of the tunnel up to pens 3 and 4 when they were full, which was what normally happened at games? You said ticketless fans had no impact.

Both, the turnstiles counted how many people went in, but the Chief Super David Duckenfield was stood in the control room with CCTV which could zoom into the Leppings Lane end so close that it could see the colour of a person's eyes. He could directly see how full each pen was and control how many fans went into which areas. Once the gate was opened that let people into Hillsbrough the turnstiles could not count how many people were in the ground could they? The fans had been allowed to bypass the turnstiles because of the crush outside which in previous years had been controlled by cordons and people arriving at different times, however the delayed traffic all arrived together and so there were many more people trying to get into the ground all at once before the match begun. It would have been obvious to the Chief Super that pens 3 and 4 were already full due to his access to the CCTV footage and previously to that game when the pens were full police and stewards were placed at the entrance of the tunnel to stop fans going through it into the pens and to direct the fans to the side pens. On that day the police were unable to explain why there was no-one placed at the tunnel to ensure that no more fans went into pens 3 and 4 and were instead directed into the relatively empty pens either side. thanks out if interest what are you saying throughout all this? i know you blame the police but are you on the monumental f*** up side or do you see something more nefarious? Personally I see it as a massive f*** up on the part of the police, who regarded football fans at the time as nothing but hooligans and bar a few exceptions failed at their jobs. There were a handful of young coppers who tried to help, but the majority of them f***ed up. And the Chief Super David Duckenfield f***ed up biggest of all. The organisation of policing the game on the day was flawed from start to finish. fact is, the police at Hillsborough were well practised at handling big footballl grounds, this ground had played host to FA Cup Semi Finals for many years, including other Liverpool games. Blaming the police for failing to control what was an extortionate amount of Liverpool supporters, is akin to blaming them for failing to control a demonstration in a city centre - anywhere - where too many people turn up in proportion to the amount of police present. Nobody seems to blame the vast amount of Liverpool fans who turned up for this game without tickets. What was their intention ? To batter down the gates or sit outside the stadium listening peacefully to the game on radio 5 ? Once again you are talking s**** NE5. The Chief Super in charge of the game had never overseen a football match before. Therefore he did not have vast experience in running the situation. The police failed to set up the cordons that stopped ticketless fans getting anywhere near the turnstiles as they had in previous years. The Liverpool fans were allocated the Leppings Lane end of the ground which had a smaller capacity, the previous year they were in the other end. The police ignored the delay that the motorway roadworks and the rail delays caused which meant that many fans arrived all at the same time. The police did not allow Liverpool fans into the other parts of the grounds where they had tickets for and forced them into the Leppings Lane end, increasing the amount of people in that section. Have you even bothered to read the Taylor report or is there not enough mentions of how wonderful Freddy Shepherd was as a chairman in it for you to take any interest. You probably know much more than someone who held a 31 day enquiry and heard evidence and saw CCTV footage of the whole incident. The number of drunken and ticketless fans made no difference to the situation, that was the outcome from a 31 day enquiry which found the police at fault. You want to argue with the actual facts then write to Lord Justice Taylor instead of spouting bollocks that you have plucked from thin air. Edited reply as I think one or two things could be explained better : pretty odd you accuse me of talking s****, when you have been wrong about everything, and continue to be wrong. Your daft comment about Freddy Shepherd [and I'm sure you'll come along and blame me somewhere for mentioning him as usual]. Are you really 34, or are you pissed and/or obsessed ? A point of that time, is that the government had been wanting to impose identity cards on travelling football supporters for a number of years previous to Hillsborough, since the Heysel stadium disaster in fact, which peculiarly also involved Liverpool supporters. You don't think its possible that their wasn't political influence in this verdict, particularly as one of the main recommendations was all seater stadiums with more control over the movement of supporters inside football grounds and ticket allocations. Not all these government inquiries are as black and white as you think. In my opinion, this particular recommendation was way over the top and the atmosphere and the game as we knew it has suffered accordingly. And the fact also is there WERE Liverpool fans who travelled to that game without tickets, whether you like it or not. I never said there were no ticketless Liverpool fans at the game. BUT had the police set up the cordons that they had the previous year when both teams met which weeded out the ticketless fans, and therefore stopped them getting to the front of the bottleneck at the turnstile then it would have eased the congestion. Hang on, you're saying that the ticketless fans had no impact on the disaster, but the disaster was caused by the police not setting up cordons to weed out the ticketless fans? How exactly does that make sense? I don't think even Blefuscu realised just how few ticketless fans were actually inside the ground, good a job though she's done in interpreting Justice Taylors report. BTW, both the government of the day and Liverpool fans expected a whitewash of the police. All credit to him that he strove for the truth to the best of his ability. It's actually irrelevent how many ticketless fans or even drunken fans were there that day because there was nothing unusual in that for most football matches, certainly a semi final, these things were all part and parcel of a match and nothing new for the police to handle, it was part of their job, it would have been excpected by most officers there. You then have to look at the organisational facts of that day and the general lack of leadership. But that's exactly why people are trying to make the point that it wasn't 100% the fault of the police. If the ticketless fans weren't there, the problem wouldn't have been there either. To say that it was part and parcel of the game is irrelevent. It's like saying that it's fine when people dive for penalties because everyone else does it. If you had to name a team in the 80's which was famous for ticketless fans getting into games, it would be Liverpool. OK, the police should have been more ready for it, but they wouldn't have to have been if the ticketless fans stayed at home and watched the tv.

Both, the turnstiles counted how many people went in, but the Chief Super David Duckenfield was stood in the control room with CCTV which could zoom into the Leppings Lane end so close that it could see the colour of a person's eyes. He could directly see how full each pen was and control how many fans went into which areas. Once the gate was opened that let people into Hillsbrough the turnstiles could not count how many people were in the ground could they? The fans had been allowed to bypass the turnstiles because of the crush outside which in previous years had been controlled by cordons and people arriving at different times, however the delayed traffic all arrived together and so there were many more people trying to get into the ground all at once before the match begun. It would have been obvious to the Chief Super that pens 3 and 4 were already full due to his access to the CCTV footage and previously to that game when the pens were full police and stewards were placed at the entrance of the tunnel to stop fans going through it into the pens and to direct the fans to the side pens. On that day the police were unable to explain why there was no-one placed at the tunnel to ensure that no more fans went into pens 3 and 4 and were instead directed into the relatively empty pens either side. thanks out if interest what are you saying throughout all this? i know you blame the police but are you on the monumental fuck up side or do you see something more nefarious? Personally I see it as a massive fuck up on the part of the police, who regarded football fans at the time as nothing but hooligans and bar a few exceptions failed at their jobs. There were a handful of young coppers who tried to help, but the majority of them fucked up. And the Chief Super David Duckenfield fucked up biggest of all. The organisation of policing the game on the day was flawed from start to finish. fact is, the police at Hillsborough were well practised at handling big footballl grounds, this ground had played host to FA Cup Semi Finals for many years, including other Liverpool games. Blaming the police for failing to control what was an extortionate amount of Liverpool supporters, is akin to blaming them for failing to control a demonstration in a city centre - anywhere - where too many people turn up in proportion to the amount of police present. Nobody seems to blame the vast amount of Liverpool fans who turned up for this game without tickets. What was their intention ? To batter down the gates or sit outside the stadium listening peacefully to the game on radio 5 ? Once again you are talking shite NE5. The Chief Super in charge of the game had never overseen a football match before. Therefore he did not have vast experience in running the situation. The police failed to set up the cordons that stopped ticketless fans getting anywhere near the turnstiles as they had in previous years. The Liverpool fans were allocated the Leppings Lane end of the ground which had a smaller capacity, the previous year they were in the other end. The police ignored the delay that the motorway roadworks and the rail delays caused which meant that many fans arrived all at the same time. The police did not allow Liverpool fans into the other parts of the grounds where they had tickets for and forced them into the Leppings Lane end, increasing the amount of people in that section. Have you even bothered to read the Taylor report or is there not enough mentions of how wonderful Freddy Shepherd was as a chairman in it for you to take any interest. You probably know much more than someone who held a 31 day enquiry and heard evidence and saw CCTV footage of the whole incident. The number of drunken and ticketless fans made no difference to the situation, that was the outcome from a 31 day enquiry which found the police at fault. You want to argue with the actual facts then write to Lord Justice Taylor instead of spouting bollocks that you have plucked from thin air. Edited reply as I think one or two things could be explained better : pretty odd you accuse me of talking shite, when you have been wrong about everything, and continue to be wrong. Your daft comment about Freddy Shepherd [and I'm sure you'll come along and blame me somewhere for mentioning him as usual]. Are you really 34, or are you pissed and/or obsessed ? A point of that time, is that the government had been wanting to impose identity cards on travelling football supporters for a number of years previous to Hillsborough, since the Heysel stadium disaster in fact, which peculiarly also involved Liverpool supporters. You don't think its possible that their wasn't political influence in this verdict, particularly as one of the main recommendations was all seater stadiums with more control over the movement of supporters inside football grounds and ticket allocations. Not all these government inquiries are as black and white as you think. In my opinion, this particular recommendation was way over the top and the atmosphere and the game as we knew it has suffered accordingly. And the fact also is there WERE Liverpool fans who travelled to that game without tickets, whether you like it or not. I never said there were no ticketless Liverpool fans at the game. BUT had the police set up the cordons that they had the previous year when both teams met which weeded out the ticketless fans, and therefore stopped them getting to the front of the bottleneck at the turnstile then it would have eased the congestion. Hang on, you're saying that the ticketless fans had no impact on the disaster, but the disaster was caused by the police not setting up cordons to weed out the ticketless fans? How exactly does that make sense?

Their training is all about keeping order (by any means necessary), they failed, and with that failure came an inability to understand a situation involving people that needed help, not discipline. Deliberate mistake or poor judgement?

It's probably just your English which is incorrect here, but the bad policing wasn't the "cause" but good policing should have been the prevention. The large number of fans all pushing to get on the terraces was the cause. Unfortunately, that was the natural reaction of a football fan trying to see his team. It's just a shame that the footballing authorities hadn't come up with a solution before such a disaster took place. Everyone knows that mistakes were made here, but for some reason if the police make a mistake it's automatically seen as them being wankers. Did any of the police receive specific training on how to cope with this kind of situation? Honestly question....