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Fuck off. Do you honestly think Ashley would have spent any money in January with a "proper" manager in place or do you think the squad would suddenly have become adequate?

Speculation, contradiction and hypocrisy all in one post. The first sentence alone is priceless. Good work. Why is it wrong to judge Ashley soley on his actions?

You're right about the £20 million, the greedy bastard only coughed up £240 million in year one and by week 6 probably hadn't put anything in for year 2. Is that £240m down the drain? - no he wants it back therefore it has not been spent on the club in investment terms.

Can anyone point at any statement made by Keegan which was actually true? Works both ways, and I still think both are as much at fault as each other. "A manager should not have players forced upon him" is a good start. I also remember no blatant lies - even the Milner sale could be taken as true in the context of the money being promised. Lies If every manager who "lies" like that is called to book none would be left. Absolutely pathetic. 1. You asked for a Keegan "lie" 2. I gave you one 3. You said "Oh that one doesn't count" Does it compare with Ashley's diatribe of bullshit statement? 1. You asked for a Keegan "lie" 2. I gave you one 3. You said "Oh that one doesn't count" 4. You said yeah but Ashley's lies were worse. Incidentally, what has Ashley personally lied about? The £20m Being a football fan yet having no team (who starts going at 23 to the world cup of all things) Buying the club to enjoy himself when he bought it to make profit. Kevin Keegan having final say on transfers £20m -we'll never know now Being a football fan yet having no team (who starts going at 23 to the world cup of all things) - what??!! Buying the club to enjoy himself when he bought it to make profit. - He seemed to be enjoying humself til Keegan walked Kevin Keegan having final say on transfers - he said this where? He said the 20m was his long term plan but he hadn't done it in two years and 3 windows - how many more years would a zero investment happened before you realised it was a lie? In his statement when he announced the sale he claimed he was a football fan but strangely has never revelaed who he supports - do you know anyone like that? He mentioned being present for the hand of god game as if it was his first game - a bit strange - yes or no? He said Keegan had final say in his club magazine interview.

Can anyone point at any statement made by Keegan which was actually true? Works both ways, and I still think both are as much at fault as each other. "A manager should not have players forced upon him" is a good start. I also remember no blatant lies - even the Milner sale could be taken as true in the context of the money being promised. Lies If every manager who "lies" like that is called to book none would be left. Absolutely pathetic. 1. You asked for a Keegan "lie" 2. I gave you one 3. You said "Oh that one doesn't count" Does it compare with Ashley's diatribe of bullshit statement? 1. You asked for a Keegan "lie" 2. I gave you one 3. You said "Oh that one doesn't count" 4. You said yeah but Ashley's lies were worse. Incidentally, what has Ashley personally lied about? The £20m Being a football fan yet having no team (who starts going at 23 to the world cup of all things) Buying the club to enjoy himself when he bought it to make profit. Kevin Keegan having final say on transfers

or "developing the squad" by bringing young players through, getting new players playing well, old players playing well again etc. Thanks for backing up my point that the statement you quoted can be interpreted in a variety of ways and isn't clear cut. how nice of you to argue against your own position. thankfully wise's statement is more clear. which is my entire point. nobody knows what has happened fully other than the few people involved. so why is keegan the hero and ashley and his team the villains? nobody has answered that yet in any respectable way. Because of what Kevin Keegan has done for Newcastle United. If you at least don't acknowledge and understand that then I know I shouldn't really say this but honestly don't know how you can call yourself a fan. Before anyone says it Ashley has done nothing for the club - if he gets his asking price he will have not put a penny in and will have fact profited - why should I believe a man who has done fuck all? "nostalgia > now" apparently. i was as happy as anyone during the entertainers days but they were nearly 13 years ago. as i said a few months ago, almost everyone was happy with ashley before keegan quit and now he's "done fuck all" in his time here. two words, "almost leeds". One word on the Leeds thing - "bullshit".

or "developing the squad" by bringing young players through, getting new players playing well, old players playing well again etc. Thanks for backing up my point that the statement you quoted can be interpreted in a variety of ways and isn't clear cut. how nice of you to argue against your own position. thankfully wise's statement is more clear. which is my entire point. nobody knows what has happened fully other than the few people involved. so why is keegan the hero and ashley and his team the villains? nobody has answered that yet in any respectable way. Because of what Kevin Keegan has done for Newcastle United. If you at least don't acknowledge and understand that then I know I shouldn't really say this but honestly don't know how you can call yourself a fan. Before anyone says it Ashley has done nothing for the club - if he gets his asking price he will have not put a penny in and will have fact profited - why should I believe a man who has done fuck all? Back Keegan or you're not a fan, I've seen it all now. No - what I said is that if people can't appreciate why Keegan should get any benefit of doubt going then they aren't a fan - I stand by that.

Can anyone point at any statement made by Keegan which was actually true? Works both ways, and I still think both are as much at fault as each other. "A manager should not have players forced upon him" is a good start. I also remember no blatant lies - even the Milner sale could be taken as true in the context of the money being promised. Lies If every manager who "lies" like that is called to book none would be left. Absolutely pathetic. 1. You asked for a Keegan "lie" 2. I gave you one 3. You said "Oh that one doesn't count" Does it compare with Ashley's diatribe of bullshit statement?

Nobody knows. Which is your point I'm sure. I know he didn't put £20m a year into the pot above club income. I know he hasn't cleared all the debts (outstanding transfers remain). Didn't keith Harris say the club is debt free? Yes but added that transfer fee payments remain.

No that was people like Barton telling SSN what was going on and plenty other media sources - were they all in Keegan's thrall?

Can anyone point at any statement made by Keegan which was actually true? Works both ways, and I still think both are as much at fault as each other. "A manager should not have players forced upon him" is a good start. I also remember no blatant lies - even the Milner sale could be taken as true in the context of the money being promised. Lies If every manager who "lies" like that is called to book none would be left. Absolutely pathetic.

or "developing the squad" by bringing young players through, getting new players playing well, old players playing well again etc. Thanks for backing up my point that the statement you quoted can be interpreted in a variety of ways and isn't clear cut. how nice of you to argue against your own position. thankfully wise's statement is more clear. which is my entire point. nobody knows what has happened fully other than the few people involved. so why is keegan the hero and ashley and his team the villains? nobody has answered that yet in any respectable way. Because of what Kevin Keegan has done for Newcastle United. If you at least don't acknowledge and understand that then I know I shouldn't really say this but honestly don't know how you can call yourself a fan. Before anyone says it Ashley has done nothing for the club - if he gets his asking price he will have not put a penny in and will have fact profited - why should I believe a man who has done fuck all?

Can anyone point at any statement made by Keegan which was actually true? Works both ways, and I still think both are as much at fault as each other. "A manager should not have players forced upon him" is a good start. I also remember no blatant lies - even the Milner sale could be taken as true in the context of the money being promised.

Nobody knows. Which is your point I'm sure. I know he didn't put £20m a year into the pot above club income. I know he hasn't cleared all the debts (outstanding transfers remain).

Can anyone point at any statement made by Ashley et al which was actually true?

I would guess that the Milner money, Sky money and season ticket money is filling some of the void left over fron the £240 million that he's spent. £240 million? I thought he hadn't actually payed the debt off? He's paid off about £110M worth iirc but that is now included in his asking price for the club. The "paid off the debt" statements were made by Mort in May. Since then he's banked the profit from the window, the sky money and the the ST money.

I like the suggestion that he won't spend any money because the club is up for sale. So what was the leech's excuse when it wasn't then?

I don't agree with and have never booed a Newcastle player but professional, premiership footballers who cannot pass to a team mate at a consistent level over some time do not need encouragement - they need replacing.

I love the idea that he is trying so hard to play the killer ball every time he has it, that means he can't get 10 yard balls to a team mate right. Is the ability to hit what two or three great balls since he came worth the dozens of passes he misses virtually every game? I defended him last year to people because I thought there was some potential and I still think he isn't a write-off as a defender but in a team which is over-staffed with atrocious passers which I consider to be a professional crime he's one of the worst culprits and I'd replace him in an instant.

Haven't seen it but since it was Burnley fans I take it he was celebrating in front of them - did he step over the line doing that? The comparison with Barton is that if he'd done the same with the stuff the mackems were throwing at him, he'd have been banned for the rest of the season.

I said this before when Viduka was discussed - when he was injured Keegan said he would be out for 3 to 6 months, that was May, 6 months is November. The worst you can say is that due to his "laziness" its the top end of the scale (or a bit beyond) but calling him a waste of space is going too far. He is still the best striker we have apart from Owen by a million miles. Let him go in the summer then - that will mean we need at least two top class strikers next summer - if the club hasn't been sold and we have stayed up then next season will be even worse than this.

Tim Cahill did exactly the same a few weeks ago in support of his shitbag brother who was locked up for 6 years for GBH - another brainless footballer.

The "gesture of support" suggests his conviction is unjust - if he thinks that, the twat should be sacked.

The others are footballing events. It fucking happens. You win some and you lose some. It's the reason we love football. The banner was a disgusting act of childish and clueless mongs You compared it to quote "close defeats, maulings and bad tactics" - all football things. I would also say the banner reflected the feelings of most people there.

So a banner compares to any defeat against Sunderland? To the play-off loss? To a relegation? Fuck right off you drama queens.