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So how does this group or any other group guarantee success on the pitch to increase their return from buying the club? Just curious.

Nah he won't. Doing a great job at relegating us, which is what he's aiming for now, I'm sure now. Tripe

All speculation. Newcastle have appointed managers with far superior track records than O'Neill yet they didn't do the business.

The turning point is in bold, in my opinion. But then far be it from me to slag Fred, according to the monkey, Oz and now cyberbats I love Fred..... What do you have against Shearer? I remember sometime last year when we were still in 14th or something like that and Shearer came out and said 'we can still make 7th', your response was something along the lines of 'here he goes spouting shit again'... And now putting our downfall on the fact that we did not sell our main striker who had just scored 28 goals the season prior (iirc). I hate it when people now overplay the importance of Bellamy. Before, Bellamy was underrated.. now? He's just ****ing overrated. Sure, he changed the way we played, which lengthened Shearer's career by a few years but if Shearer wasn't there to finish those balls sent in by him and our wingers, we would never have reached the heights that we did. Bellamy never ****ing scored more than 10 league goals in a season for us!! And as we can see now, with Shearer gone, we are really desperate for a goalscorer similar to him. Nowt. Not being funny, but I'd like you to find the post you refer to. In general terms I think Shearer does spout shite in that he talks in cliches. He also babbles a load of shite about Geordies thinking winning the FA Cup is more important than the league. Apart from that he's just another player who has played and done well for the club I support. They come and go. I'm not interested in a hero and I'm not interested in sentimentality either. He should have gone sooner than he did, well before the end he was holding the club back and I don't like that no matter how good he was in his prime. http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php/topic,17785.msg331286.html#msg331286 Here. Thanks. You could tell me now what your problem is? He's spouting cliche ridden shite, is he not? Which is what I said. It wasn't so much shite considering where we ended up now, was it? And did I miss the part where you mentioned that what he was saying was cliched? Or was that somehow implied in your brief statement? What is it to you anyway, you his dad or something? Yes bluebigrazz.gif Oh well, did he learn to spout such shite from you? bluebiggrin.gif :winking:

It went down hill when you brought up the "why Waddle, Beardsley, Gazza, Robson, Lee and Cox all left the club." question yet again. It's off topic and the bickering it eventually leads to just spoils a good thread. Actually, the well written and considered posts (whether agreed with or not) ended with this one..... http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php/topic,32099.msg613950.html#msg613950

The turning point is in bold, in my opinion. But then far be it from me to slag Fred, according to the monkey, Oz and now cyberbats I love Fred..... What do you have against Shearer? I remember sometime last year when we were still in 14th or something like that and Shearer came out and said 'we can still make 7th', your response was something along the lines of 'here he goes spouting shit again'... And now putting our downfall on the fact that we did not sell our main striker who had just scored 28 goals the season prior (iirc). I hate it when people now overplay the importance of Bellamy. Before, Bellamy was underrated.. now? He's just ****ing overrated. Sure, he changed the way we played, which lengthened Shearer's career by a few years but if Shearer wasn't there to finish those balls sent in by him and our wingers, we would never have reached the heights that we did. Bellamy never ****ing scored more than 10 league goals in a season for us!! And as we can see now, with Shearer gone, we are really desperate for a goalscorer similar to him. Nowt. Not being funny, but I'd like you to find the post you refer to. In general terms I think Shearer does spout shite in that he talks in cliches. He also babbles a load of shite about Geordies thinking winning the FA Cup is more important than the league. Apart from that he's just another player who has played and done well for the club I support. They come and go. I'm not interested in a hero and I'm not interested in sentimentality either. He should have gone sooner than he did, well before the end he was holding the club back and I don't like that no matter how good he was in his prime. http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php/topic,17785.msg331286.html#msg331286 Here. Thanks. You could tell me now what your problem is? He's spouting cliche ridden shite, is he not? Which is what I said. It wasn't so much shite considering where we ended up now, was it? And did I miss the part where you mentioned that what he was saying was cliched? Or was that somehow implied in your brief statement? What is it to you anyway, you his dad or something?

The turning point is in bold, in my opinion. But then far be it from me to slag Fred, according to the monkey, Oz and now cyberbats I love Fred..... What do you have against Shearer? I remember sometime last year when we were still in 14th or something like that and Shearer came out and said 'we can still make 7th', your response was something along the lines of 'here he goes spouting shit again'... And now putting our downfall on the fact that we did not sell our main striker who had just scored 28 goals the season prior (iirc). I hate it when people now overplay the importance of Bellamy. Before, Bellamy was underrated.. now? He's just ****ing overrated. Sure, he changed the way we played, which lengthened Shearer's career by a few years but if Shearer wasn't there to finish those balls sent in by him and our wingers, we would never have reached the heights that we did. Bellamy never ****ing scored more than 10 league goals in a season for us!! And as we can see now, with Shearer gone, we are really desperate for a goalscorer similar to him. Nowt. Not being funny, but I'd like you to find the post you refer to. In general terms I think Shearer does spout shite in that he talks in cliches. He also babbles a load of shite about Geordies thinking winning the FA Cup is more important than the league. Apart from that he's just another player who has played and done well for the club I support. They come and go. I'm not interested in a hero and I'm not interested in sentimentality either. He should have gone sooner than he did, well before the end he was holding the club back and I don't like that no matter how good he was in his prime. http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php/topic,17785.msg331286.html#msg331286 Here. Thanks. You could tell me now what your problem is? He's spouting cliche ridden shite, is he not? Which is what I said.

For the sake of accuracy among what is a post of massive speculation on your part I'll say that we also signed Woodgate and Ambrose in 2003, not just Bowyer.

But (and Robson also highlighted it in his biog) it was also clear to everyone that as soon as Shepherd stated that Robson would not get another contract he was a dead duck, and the team subconsciously or otherwise would have latched onto that and taken advantage (as happened with Ferguson). At the very least that showed terrible naivety from Shepherd, at worst it showed contempt for a long standing manager. Either way, it was less a case of the board tuning a blind eye, and rather the case that the board were in a large way complicit in 'losing the dressing room'. Good points again. Not much to say really other than as grass has remembered I thought the change should have been made when we finished 3rd, 16 months before it actually happened. The whole thing was a mistake by the Board, the final nail being the appointment of the worst manager I've ever seen for Newcastle.

The turning point is in bold, in my opinion. But then far be it from me to slag Fred, according to the monkey, Oz and now cyberbats I love Fred..... What do you have against Shearer? I remember sometime last year when we were still in 14th or something like that and Shearer came out and said 'we can still make 7th', your response was something along the lines of 'here he goes spouting shit again'... And now putting our downfall on the fact that we did not sell our main striker who had just scored 28 goals the season prior (iirc). I hate it when people now overplay the importance of Bellamy. Before, Bellamy was underrated.. now? He's just ****ing overrated. Sure, he changed the way we played, which lengthened Shearer's career by a few years but if Shearer wasn't there to finish those balls sent in by him and our wingers, we would never have reached the heights that we did. Bellamy never ****ing scored more than 10 league goals in a season for us!! And as we can see now, with Shearer gone, we are really desperate for a goalscorer similar to him. Nowt. Not being funny, but I'd like you to find the post you refer to. In general terms I think Shearer does spout shite in that he talks in cliches. He also babbles a load of shite about Geordies thinking winning the FA Cup is more important than the league. Apart from that he's just another player who has played and done well for the club I support. They come and go. I'm not interested in a hero and I'm not interested in sentimentality either. He should have gone sooner than he did, well before the end he was holding the club back and I don't like that no matter how good he was in his prime.

Some good points, can't argue so I won't try.

Good post. I'd say, before backing a manager to the hilt, they need the intelligence to find the right one who's worth backing – and then back them the way Manure have backed Ferguson, or the Arse have let Wenger have it all his own way. It's not just about flashing a bit of transfer cash and going "Hey look, I'm backing the manager here!". (Particularly ridiculous as most of our managers get shown the door about five weeks after this happens.) The closest the current board has come to the right kind of appointment – out of five attempts – was Bobby Robson. Did they back him? Well, up to a point. He had the lowest average annual transfer spend of any Fat Fred appointment. If you read his Mail on Sunday column last week you'll find him "open-mouthed" with envy at the training facilities his mate Ferguson has at his command. "I looked down from the window in his office on several training pitches, all with undersoil heating. I counted 22 fitness bikes in the gym where the first-team squad can warm up together before training. By the pool, I spotted an underwater treadmill to aid the recovery of injured players. Alex said they had five full-time physios as well as academy coaches, fitness coaches and a club doctor... It became clear that Alex has built a dynasty at United not only by developing great players and building great teams, but also by having the foresight of how the club should be run for future generations of players." The people running our club, our "big club" with its huge resources, manifestly lack that kind of foresight. Though of course Bobby Robson was never going to be the right man to establish a dynasty and take the club into the future. He was simply too bloody old! I agree with the first bit, it was a good post by grass although I don't agree with it all. Re the bit in bold. What criteria do you recommend the Board use to determine who this right man is they should then back in the same way Arsenal's Board backed Wenger and before him Rioch, the same Board having appointed those 2 managers? Any criteria at all other than "has a couple of trophies on his CV" would be a start. They need to match a vision of what the playing side of the club could and should be and find a candidate who is capable of steering the club's development. An ability to develop young players as well as motivate experienced ones, good ideas about how the playing side of the club should be organised and run, the know-how to build and operate an effective scouting network and find the right non-playing staff. Obvious stuff, really. All the current shower have ever done is stumble from one crisis to the next. "Oh look! It's a few games into the season and we don't have a manager! Who can we get that isn't like the last one?" The point is that since Keegan nothing has been consolidated. Our "success" was always fragile and without foundation, as seen by the way we've touched the heights twice – and then twice watched things simply fall apart as soon as a key figure has left the club. Of course, visions of the club's future seem a bit misplaced now that the board's perennial short-termism has led us to the current position: floundering at the bottom of the table with a crap manager, piss-poor squad and mounting financial problems. Thanks for the reply. I have to say that I don't believe the Board goes into a season expecting to sack any manager, they do have a plan, it's just that it's so important to stay in the PL that managers are under pressure if any club gets off to a poor start. Why else are people shouting for Roeder's head now? People are claiming we have a better group of players than performances indicate ( don't agree myself ) and that Roeder is not the man. Well he's been appointed and perhaps the Board has a plan for him to see it through. When do you deviate from the plan? How many matches need to go by before they sack him and are then accused of not actually having a plan at all? Robson stayed for 5 years and he stayed that long because the club was making progress. I think there was a long term plan that was blown apart due to his loss of control of the dressing room and the subsequent bad start to the season. On the face of it that bad start could easily have been a good start but for some key moments in those matches, so some will always question why he was sacked at that time, but who knows what was going on behind the scenes? If the manager had lost the dressing room as has been speculated and thought by many at the time I don't think the Board can be expected to turn a blind eye to it, plan or no plan. The mistake was appointing Souness and then having done it not realisinig early enough that they'd made an error. Of course, that could have been the Board sticking to a plan and I'm not taking the piss by saying that. Managers stand or fall by the results on the field. I believe the circumstances were forced on the Board to act when they did when sacking Robson, I don't believe they went into that season believing they'd have to be looking for a new manager. Same with Dalglish and Gullit, who wasn't helped by the people's hero, Shearer, was he? Managers aren't generally sacked when a team is getting good results, although I'd do it if I identified a better man who could take the club further. Like Liverpool did with Hoolia. What would have happened if the club had moved Robson into another role when we finished 3rd? That was a position of strength but they didn't do it. I don't think they recognised it, which was a mistake. They're not ruthless enough in my opinion. They're reactionary, but then I've said all this before, it's just forgotten in all the bullshit. What is the best time to change a manager? The manager is a key figure, which is why I specifically mentioned Wenger and Rioch. It will be interesting to see how Manure get on when Ferguson finally goes, it will hinge not on their structure within the club but entirely on their choice of manager. If they get it wrong they will go backwards. Same with Arsenal. Chelsea made the step up due to the money of Abramovich, but they also have managed to appoint a top manager, without it a club won't succeed.

WHAT IS YOUR ****ING POINT!?!?! oh I forgot, it's HTL, there is automatically no point :roll: Can you really not work it out, Vicky?

A lot of people have voted, so I'm not the only one who understood what the boiler is on aboot.....

There is actually some decent dialogue going on here. Nobody forces you to read the thread, so if you don't like it just bugger off. Nobody will miss you. Whether people are in agreement or not in this thread, you make NO contribution. right OK just because I haven't pisssed around for 20 pages my opinion is irrelevant WHATEVER MINGER :obi: Yeah, right ok. Vicky, whether you want to acknowledge it or not there have been some good posts in this thread along with some shite I agree. People don't have to agree with each other, not agreeing with someone doesn't make their post shite. A lot of people are repeating themselves, not just those you disagree with. I'm aware than many people don't agree with my opinions and so think I'm a wanker. Be that as it may, I don't believe others are a wanker for having a differing opinion to my own so that's their problem. Your repeated references to myself and NE5 in recent times is making you appear a tosser of the highest order. Do everyone a favour and grow up, ffs.

Good post. I'd say, before backing a manager to the hilt, they need the intelligence to find the right one who's worth backing – and then back them the way Manure have backed Ferguson, or the Arse have let Wenger have it all his own way. It's not just about flashing a bit of transfer cash and going "Hey look, I'm backing the manager here!". (Particularly ridiculous as most of our managers get shown the door about five weeks after this happens.) The closest the current board has come to the right kind of appointment – out of five attempts – was Bobby Robson. Did they back him? Well, up to a point. He had the lowest average annual transfer spend of any Fat Fred appointment. If you read his Mail on Sunday column last week you'll find him "open-mouthed" with envy at the training facilities his mate Ferguson has at his command. "I looked down from the window in his office on several training pitches, all with undersoil heating. I counted 22 fitness bikes in the gym where the first-team squad can warm up together before training. By the pool, I spotted an underwater treadmill to aid the recovery of injured players. Alex said they had five full-time physios as well as academy coaches, fitness coaches and a club doctor... It became clear that Alex has built a dynasty at United not only by developing great players and building great teams, but also by having the foresight of how the club should be run for future generations of players." The people running our club, our "big club" with its huge resources, manifestly lack that kind of foresight. Though of course Bobby Robson was never going to be the right man to establish a dynasty and take the club into the future. He was simply too bloody old! I agree with the first bit, it was a good post by grass although I don't agree with it all. Re the bit in bold. What criteria do you recommend the Board use to determine who this right man is they should then back in the same way Arsenal's Board backed Wenger and before him Rioch, the same Board having appointed those 2 managers?

Yes, you did. Interestingly they've conceded more goals than we have. I'm sure our problems are lack of creativity and lack of goals.

It almost sounds real, now that two of you have posted similar stuff. The fact is that the managers are backed, how else do you explain Souness being allowed to bin our two most creative players, replacing them with shite and being allowed to build his own team before it finally dawned on the Board that they'd made a mistake? They gave him a free hand, same as they've given to them all until they proved they were unable to improve the team.

It takes a split second to score a goal AND to make a save. Any of those saves by that red nosed bastard in the 0-1 defeat at home to manure. Had we even drawn that game I think they'd have wrapped their hands in and we'd gone on to win the league. Everything would be different now.

There is actually some decent dialogue going on here. Nobody forces you to read the thread, so if you don't like it just bugger off. Nobody will miss you. Whether people are in agreement or not in this thread, you make NO contribution.

The turning point is in bold, in my opinion. But then far be it from me to slag Fred, according to the monkey, Oz and now cyberbats I love Fred.....

I think you're on the wrong forum posting that, unless you're just trying for a dozen people or so.

I'm keeping out of this one, but I hadn't thought of their arms as a particular problem......

It doesn't, but its the fact that through the principle of free speech, women can spout off for an hour every day about how useless men are, how shit they are in bed, how shit they are on dates etc, but then Mike Newell is apparantly not in his right to say that he doesn't think women should be referees? What brought that into it? On your mind is it, mate? Definetly not. bluebiggrin.gif

It doesn't, but its the fact that through the principle of free speech, women can spout off for an hour every day about how useless men are, how shit they are in bed, how shit they are on dates etc, but then Mike Newell is apparantly not in his right to say that he doesn't think women should be referees? What brought that into it? On your mind is it, mate?