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It's bollocks, tbh. In actual fact. it's up there with the most stupid posts I've ever read. Explain why! In small syllables please as I am obviously too stupid to understand joined up words. Explain why Fred has failed. By appointing a bad manager in Souness, then compounding his own arrogance by throwing £50m at a bad manager. We are reaping the rewards of that arrogance now by scrapping around for loan players because we cannot afford to compete with the "big clubs". So it's arrogant to back your manager? Good one. You aren't much on constructive discussion are you! However, I will say that everyone but Shepherd (and perhaps you) knew the appointment was wrong, but rather than admit he was wrong, Shepherd tried to vindicate the appointment by giving Souness the sort of money that may well have won us the title if he had given the same backing to Robson. Ergo, Shepherd was arrogant in the extreme to believe that giving a huge wedge of transfer money to a bad manager would somehow make his appointment a success. I assume you think a chairman who throws money around like confetti is a good chairman. There again you probably thought Ridsdale was a good chairman! In actual fact I was slated on here for suggesting that Souness be sacked after the Charlton match, which was never really going to happen. I then went on to say I hoped he wouldn't be supported in the transfer market during January and I was slaughtered for that as well, there are dozens of people on this forum who supported Souness and his spending spree who now claim the opposite. You couldn't make it up. BTW You show how out of touch you are by the comment that we may have won the title had that money been given to Robson. Robson received an enormous amount of backing during his time as manager, he can have no complaints. At the back end of the season we finished 3rd standards on the field were dropping. During the season we finished 5th people moaned constantly at the drop in performances, we picked up points while really not playing consistently well, which was great but everybody was waiting for the team to start playing well, it didn't really happen. The evidence was plain to see that Robson had lost the respect of the players. There was no point in handing him that kind of cash, he'd had his crack at it and taken us as far as he could imo. He should have gone sooner, but in any event the problem was the poor quality of his replacement. Everything people moan about right now can be traced back to the appointment of Souness.

What do you even mean by that? Have a guess. Well I assume it means that you are mocking his post as being a bit thick, which is a shame, though I have to say that I'm not entirely sure if there are any other ways in which you are supposed to interpret it. That is why I asked. NE5 has gone on record as saying he's been supporting the club for over 40 years, I think the post that was directed toward him is just a little bit daft when you take that into account. You won't agree, but hey ho........

Just comapre these two: Glenn Roeder: Teams managed 1992-1993 Gillingham (player-manager) 1993-1996 Watford 2001-2003 West Ham United 2006- Newcastle United Ottmar Hitzfeld: Career as Coach Period Club Titles 1983-84 FC Zug 1984-88 FC Aarau 1988 - Swiss Cup 1988-91 Grasshopper Club Zürich 1989 - Swiss Cup 1990 - Swiss Cup 1990 - Championship 1991 - Championship 1991-97 Borussia Dortmund 1995 - Championship 1996 - Championship 1997 - UEFA Champions League 1998-04 FC Bayern Munich 1999 - Championship 2000 - German Cup 2000 - Championship 2001 - Championship 2001 - UEFA Champions League 2001 - Intercontinental Cup 2003 - German Cup 2003 - Championship 1997 - "World Coach of the Year" 2001 - "World Coach of the Year" Is that enough to a normal people to see and to decide which one of these two are better and so its for the best for the club :uglystupid2: Very simplistic, tbh.

What do you even mean by that? Have a guess.

This is why many people find you defense of the current regime so astonishing, as the choices for 'their man' have, for the most part, proved to be poor at best. No, there is no guarantee any new Board will do either of those things any better than the current one, but nor is there any guarantee they would do any worse. While, lets be fair, as we repeatedly get the simple things wrong, the chances of Freddy and the current board improving would seem slim indeed. I'm not defending the Board, I'm just not castigating the Board, which to you and some others seems to be the same thing. Weird.

Looking forward to it, the sacking of Fred that is. Why do you want him sacked? Why do you think a replacement will be better? I look forward with interest to this information that will convince me it is guaranteed a new board is certain to choose a manager who will bring success to the club, and also the information that proves this new Board will support financially any new manager as much as the current Board has done for successive managers. Thanks in advance OK - Shepherd has taken us from a position of strength, one of the top 5 certainly, to begging for loan players. His LUNATIC idea to gibve the job to Souness has cost this club horrendously dear. Relegation still isnt out of the question. I'd say Shepherd has been an unmitigated disaster for NUFC. Certainly, asset strippers are not a plus, but that was said about the yank taking over at Man U. That never happened did it ? I believe that FFS record at Newcastle is below abysmal and a change can't make it any worse. Phil, do you really believe Fred selects and appoints managers on his own? I've said many times the appointment of Souness was a terrible decision by the Board. I also believe the Board missed an opportunity after we finished 3rd to move Robson to another role and appoint a new manager to take the club to the next stage. The signs on the field of performances dropping off were obvious during the latter part of that season. These are two major mistakes made by the Board imo. I don't believe this is enough to say the Board is shit overall and that they should go, but the appointment of Roeder must turn out to be correct and not another error, because if they've got this wrong I'd say that should be a final error. I say that despite the gamble involved in a new Board coming in. You can't assume a new Board will throw millions at allowing a manager to build a team, they could just as easily settle for merely being in the top flight, I think it is naive to believe there can only be one outcome. As I keep repeating, all a Board can do is back their man and hope he is the right choice. Despite what some may believe, there is no guarantee any new Board will do either of those things any better than the current one. Maybe Fat Fred didnt appoint the managers on his own but he has the biggest influence with the board so...its almost the same thing OK appointing Souness was big mistake After the end of the season when all the nufc fans was hoping that Fat Fred at least try to bring the fans №1 choise here=OTTMAR HITZFELD the board didnt even bothered to do that. They thought that Glenn Roeder is the right man for the job.The man who previously was manager for Gillingham,Watford and West Ham was choosen instead of the man who has won a total of sixteen major titles OTTMAR HITZFELD And you didnt see that as a mistake? This club is going in the wrong direction ever singe SBR was sacked.And all of this is Freddy Shepherd's fault And all of you who cant see that... Well... :idiot2: :idiot2: All the other managers who haven't brought success during the time of this Board were appointed on the basis of good track records. Are you familiar with the track record of Kenny Dalglish, for example? Do you think this guarantees success? Roeder may yet turn out to be the right man for the job under the current circumstances.

Looking forward to it, the sacking of Fred that is. Why do you want him sacked? Why do you think a replacement will be better? I look forward with interest to this information that will convince me it is guaranteed a new board is certain to choose a manager who will bring success to the club, and also the information that proves this new Board will support financially any new manager as much as the current Board has done for successive managers. Thanks in advance OK - Shepherd has taken us from a position of strength, one of the top 5 certainly, to begging for loan players. His LUNATIC idea to gibve the job to Souness has cost this club horrendously dear. Relegation still isnt out of the question. I'd say Shepherd has been an unmitigated disaster for NUFC. Certainly, asset strippers are not a plus, but that was said about the yank taking over at Man U. That never happened did it ? I believe that FFS record at Newcastle is below abysmal and a change can't make it any worse. Phil, do you really believe Fred selects and appoints managers on his own? I've said many times the appointment of Souness was a terrible decision by the Board. I also believe the Board missed an opportunity after we finished 3rd to move Robson to another role and appoint a new manager to take the club to the next stage. The signs on the field of performances dropping off were obvious during the latter part of that season. These are two major mistakes made by the Board imo. I don't believe this is enough to say the Board is shit overall and that they should go, but the appointment of Roeder must turn out to be correct and not another error, because if they've got this wrong I'd say that should be a final error. I say that despite the gamble involved in a new Board coming in. You can't assume a new Board will throw millions at allowing a manager to build a team, they could just as easily settle for merely being in the top flight, I think it is naive to believe there can only be one outcome. As I keep repeating, all a Board can do is back their man and hope he is the right choice. Despite what some may believe, there is no guarantee any new Board will do either of those things any better than the current one. I agree with a lot of the above points, especially the bit about better the devil you know and that among all the crap there has been some good, the expansion of SJP, the academy and the backing of managers but I think they have made more errors than just appointing Souness and then Roeder, there have been many minor errors that have all escalated to bigger ones along the way, moments of indecision, moments of panic, moments of rash spending etc. I wouldn't blame any one individual but as the Chairman and self appointed CEO FS has to shoulder most of the blame as the head of the company, just like the manager will shoulder the blame for what happens on the pitch. The only reason people are discussing this subject is because of the shite performances on the pitch, which as you say, is down to the manager. I'm really not at all certain how the Board can predict backing a proven manager with nearly £50m would result in the team dropping from a consistent top 5 team to mediocrity. I also don't see how the Board can predict Robson not taking the League Cup seriously when we had a team good enough to win it. I don't see how the Board should shoulder the blame for the players failing to turn up for 2 cup finals, for failing to turn up for a couple of semi finals and even being unlucky in one semi final. They put everything in place for successive managers to bring success to the club, it is the managers who have failed.

So do I. Just not very highly.

Looking forward to it, the sacking of Fred that is. Why do you want him sacked? Why do you think a replacement will be better? I look forward with interest to this information that will convince me it is guaranteed a new board is certain to choose a manager who will bring success to the club, and also the information that proves this new Board will support financially any new manager as much as the current Board has done for successive managers. Thanks in advance OK - Shepherd has taken us from a position of strength, one of the top 5 certainly, to begging for loan players. His LUNATIC idea to gibve the job to Souness has cost this club horrendously dear. Relegation still isnt out of the question. I'd say Shepherd has been an unmitigated disaster for NUFC. Certainly, asset strippers are not a plus, but that was said about the yank taking over at Man U. That never happened did it ? I believe that FFS record at Newcastle is below abysmal and a change can't make it any worse. Phil, do you really believe Fred selects and appoints managers on his own? I've said many times the appointment of Souness was a terrible decision by the Board. I also believe the Board missed an opportunity after we finished 3rd to move Robson to another role and appoint a new manager to take the club to the next stage. The signs on the field of performances dropping off were obvious during the latter part of that season. These are two major mistakes made by the Board imo. I don't believe this is enough to say the Board is shit overall and that they should go, but the appointment of Roeder must turn out to be correct and not another error, because if they've got this wrong I'd say that should be a final error. I say that despite the gamble involved in a new Board coming in. You can't assume a new Board will throw millions at allowing a manager to build a team, they could just as easily settle for merely being in the top flight, I think it is naive to believe there can only be one outcome. As I keep repeating, all a Board can do is back their man and hope he is the right choice. Despite what some may believe, there is no guarantee any new Board will do either of those things any better than the current one.

Listen mate, at the end of the day, you know very little about this club. People like me and HTL attempt to wise you up but you don't listen or want to listen. I don't mean to sound patronising, but you give me very little choice. Newcastle United does not have a divine right to be one of the top clubs in the country. There are numerous other clubs who were above us for decades - that should not have been. That could just as easily happen again if we really did have a shite board. Look down the road at Sunderland if you don't believe me. That is, if you know where Sunderland is or know anything about them and their potential too. Take these comments on board if you like, or don't if you don't want to, but if you wish to remain largely ignorant of the reality of our situation and the progress we have made under this board, that is your choice. Do you then believe that Shepherd should be unblamed for as long as we reamain in the top flight? Although it is a blessing to have had top flight football year-in, year-out for the past 15 years, I don't want to see the club rest on its laurels, I want it to see it constantly try to improve itself. Everything seems a bit complacent right now, and complacency brings decline, and that is a worry for me. My criticism of Shepherd is not with the purpose of necessarily ousting him. You need people to point out his faults, otherwise he could get really complacent. Ideally, until the day a billionaire Geordie comes along, I am happy just pointing out that Shepherd has done this and that wrong, in the hope that Shepherd can acknowledge these faults and try to improve on his own performance. Aye, and I also believe there are a number of issues where the Board has gone wrong and made mistakes, bad mistakes, it just seems that on this forum unless you castigate the Board and FAT Fred with spit and bile, you're accused of holding the opinion the Board has never made any mistakes at all. It's totally false but I understand why some want to portray that of certain people. BTW I don't see the complacency you refer to.

Good job I'm not trying to help anyone then.

Tripe. Which part do you think is tripe? All of it. Sorry, like.

Yeah, because hes done a huge amount in keeping our necks above water. Yeah thats right Owen delibrately injured himself FFS. I agree the amount spent on the aforementioned is ridiculous. A fit owen will provide more than the others put together 10 mill for Luque, 8 for Viana, 8 for Boumsong, 7 for Cort. Apart from chelsea has any club in history wasted as much money as us on utter shite. The mind absolutely fucking boggles Aye, I agree. My mind boggles that mindless fuckers blame the Board for spending this money on Owen, he's a top player signed to replace a top player, which is what you do if you have ambition. The Board has backed successive managers in this way and the managers haven't got it right, through a mixture of bad luck and incompetence in the case of shithead. I really can't see what else the Board can do other than back the manager to the limit and they've done that. The manager is the single most important person in the football club imo and it is very, very difficult to get the right man. Kind of agree, kind of don't, where Owen is concerned 100% with you. We paid for and got one of the most clinical finishers in the worldwide game, our fucking luck he got injured. It blows my mind how much we've given to our managers also how much they have spunked out the window on shit. Wether they are to blame or the scouting system they have in place is to blame god knows, but something somewhere goes tits up because we've paid an awful lot of big money for absolute shite. On the subject of the board, creedence for the cash they provided for transfers, but FFS learn how to appoint a manager. It's great loosening the purse strings but some of the numbnuts they given cash too!!!! They might as well told wor lass to have a good time down the metro centre. Souness was a huge huge mistake, Freddies mistake. Someone at our club needs to do something and soon, personally I think there's a rabbit off and i wish they would just come clean. All I hear is shite from the board down to the twat at the chronicle, all must apportion some of the blame. Bottom line is, at the moment its us the supporters who are suffering and some fucking thing needs to be done. P:S. Ozzie mandias or whatever the fuck you are called. It appears that you only want to post if you can wind up folk you appear to have a vendetta with, it's boring and predictable. If you have something constructive to add do it. If not shut the fuck up. Aye, 'm mind boggled as well at the amount of money that has been wasted but there's no doubt that the waste is down to the managers. The topic of appointinig the right man has been discussed loads of times and it goes around in circles but here is my take on it again, mate. There are people who think it's really easy to appoint the right man, but in reality it isn't easy. The same Board that appointed Benitez appointed two managers at the same time. Manure went years without winning the league until they finally appointed the right man. Arsenal appoinited Rioch and other failures by their standards before appointing Wenger. All any Board can do is appoint someone they think is the right man and then back him, if they don't back their man he has no chance at all. We've had good managers in the past, for example Cox and a few others, but the Board didn't back them to build a team. This is more frustrating than what we're seeing now imo. What I want from a Board is for them to back the manager as best they can, it's then upto the manager to stand or fall by his decisions. The Board also has to recognise when it's time to give a manager the bullet. They got that wrong with both Robson and Souness imo. Even Robson, who did a great job overall sent out weakened teams in a competition that we could have won. Souness, who is the worst manager I've ever seen at the club, could have taken us to a win in the Uefa Cup had he not put his ego ahead of the club. We need that win to take the pressure off the club. The Board can't interfere with these decisions by the manager, they have to back their man or sack him. I think there would have been uproar had they sacked Souness after just a couple of months but that would have been the correct decision and I'd have been happily arguing with certain individuals on here who no doubt would be telling everybody souness should have been given a chance to build his own team. Having not sacked him they had to back him, although I did say in the December that I didn't want Souness to given any transfer funds during the January window. I didn't want them to back him, at that time I really wished the Board was shit. On track record and CV the current Board has appointed decent managers who brought with them a reasonable hope for success, Dalglish, Gullit, Robson were appointed and backed pretty well by the Board. Even Souness had a track record that is comparable to that of O'Neill right now. I don't see how else a manager can be selected. There is still no guarantee of success no matter who it is. What is guaranteed by the current Board though is that they will appoint a manager and then give the person a decent chance, which is more than we've had for most of my life and I think is all that can realistically be expected/hoped from any Board.

Yeah, because hes done a huge amount in keeping our necks above water. Yeah thats right Owen delibrately injured himself FFS. I agree the amount spent on the aforementioned is ridiculous. A fit owen will provide more than the others put together 10 mill for Luque, 8 for Viana, 8 for Boumsong, 7 for Cort. Apart from chelsea has any club in history wasted as much money as us on utter shite. The mind absolutely fucking boggles Aye, I agree. My mind boggles that mindless fuckers blame the Board for spending this money on Owen, he's a top player signed to replace a top player, which is what you do if you have ambition. The Board has backed successive managers in this way and the managers haven't got it right, through a mixture of bad luck and incompetence in the case of shithead. I really can't see what else the Board can do other than back the manager to the limit and they've done that. The manager is the single most important person in the football club imo and it is very, very difficult to get the right man. Overdraft limit? What's an overdraft? An overdraft is when withdrawals from a bank account exceed the available balance. This gives the account a negative balance and means the account provider is offering credit. What did you think of Risdale at Leeds HTL? He backed his manager with funds to sign top players, really ambitious he was. I thought then and I still think now that O'Leary was a shite manager because he was signing the wrong players. Had O'Leary signed the right players Leeds wouldn't be where they are now.

It's bollocks, tbh. In actual fact. it's up there with the most stupid posts I've ever read. Explain why! In small syllables please as I am obviously too stupid to understand joined up words. Explain why Fred has failed. By appointing a bad manager in Souness, then compounding his own arrogance by throwing £50m at a bad manager. We are reaping the rewards of that arrogance now by scrapping around for loan players because we cannot afford to compete with the "big clubs". So it's arrogant to back your manager? Good one.

Tripe.

Looking forward to it, the sacking of Fred that is. Why do you want him sacked? Why do you think a replacement will be better? I look forward with interest to this information that will convince me it is guaranteed a new board is certain to choose a manager who will bring success to the club, and also the information that proves this new Board will support financially any new manager as much as the current Board has done for successive managers. Thanks in advance You know HTL....you are right with regards to the point that no one knows if a new board would be better... But tell me something, why do you personally think we're in this mess at the moment? And why in your opinion have we not moved fast enough to secure signings this window, given our state of injuries and especially that we didn't have a game for 10 days (until Villa), which at least would have given any new players at least a bit of gel-time with their teammates in training? I think we're in this mess because the Board made a huge error by appointing Souness. It will take time to recover but that is what is happening right now. Remember that Souness took a team that for 3 seasons finished 4th, 3rd then 5th and was backed by the Board with nearly £50m but made such a shit job of it he turned us into near relegation standard. Had he been competent we wouldn't be having this exchange now and nobody would be slagging Fred. Well maybe a few might still be slagging Fred if we only managed to finish 2nd. I'm still not sure Roeder is the right man in the longer term but the money is not there for the club to buy it's way out of this mess, so we need to be patient and we need a manager who can turn it around in the short term without needing to spend another £50m. Why do you think we're in this mess?

Looking forward to it, the sacking of Fred that is. Why do you want him sacked? Why do you think a replacement will be better? I look forward with interest to this information that will convince me it is guaranteed a new board is certain to choose a manager who will bring success to the club, and also the information that proves this new Board will support financially any new manager as much as the current Board has done for successive managers. Thanks in advance

It would.

Yeah, because hes done a huge amount in keeping our necks above water. Yeah thats right Owen delibrately injured himself FFS. I agree the amount spent on the aforementioned is ridiculous. A fit owen will provide more than the others put together 10 mill for Luque, 8 for Viana, 8 for Boumsong, 7 for Cort. Apart from chelsea has any club in history wasted as much money as us on utter shite. The mind absolutely fucking boggles Aye, I agree. My mind boggles that mindless fuckers blame the Board for spending this money on Owen, he's a top player signed to replace a top player, which is what you do if you have ambition. The Board has backed successive managers in this way and the managers haven't got it right, through a mixture of bad luck and incompetence in the case of shithead. I really can't see what else the Board can do other than back the manager to the limit and they've done that. The manager is the single most important person in the football club imo and it is very, very difficult to get the right man. Overdraft limit? What's an overdraft?

Perhaps, but my prediction is NE5 for the Freddy saviour. Different name, same Fat Freddy apologist. Oh, good to know that. Don't worry about the mackem, he'll disappear when we win a couple of games.

It's not for a bite actually. If they get the flak for when things go bad they should get the plaudits for the good stuff.

Yeah, because hes done a huge amount in keeping our necks above water. Yeah thats right Owen delibrately injured himself FFS. I agree the amount spent on the aforementioned is ridiculous. A fit owen will provide more than the others put together 10 mill for Luque, 8 for Viana, 8 for Boumsong, 7 for Cort. Apart from chelsea has any club in history wasted as much money as us on utter shite. The mind absolutely fucking boggles Aye, I agree. My mind boggles that mindless fuckers blame the Board for spending this money on Owen, he's a top player signed to replace a top player, which is what you do if you have ambition. The Board has backed successive managers in this way and the managers haven't got it right, through a mixture of bad luck and incompetence in the case of shithead. I really can't see what else the Board can do other than back the manager to the limit and they've done that. The manager is the single most important person in the football club imo and it is very, very difficult to get the right man.

Kazenga LuaLua is meant to be the best of them. Would expect to see him get a first team game before he is 17 and I wouldn't be surprised if he became our youngest ever first team player. As I said, well done Fred and Glenn.