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I can only answer for me but it was a combination of the two, Id be lying if I said it wasnt to save money first and foremost but at the same time Id be daft to commit to shelling out 500sheets a season to watch what albeit could be 2nd division football the season after next. It seemed a good deal because a) it saved me money and b) the future looked rosey. I actually had these thoughts in my head that should we reach Wembley or a UEFA spot then Id have more chance of a golden ticket than those that hadnt signed up. Thats the gamble with doing these things, I have no qualms about that though.

You're right - relegation a year earlier wouldn't have made much difference overall. Even if someone else had kept us up do you honestly think as many STs/3 year deals would have been sold? The latter is probably moot given the number of renewals that won't be happening this summer. How many has been sold? 9,000

He didn't. Yes he did otherwise he wouldnt have rang Price Waterhouse begging them to sell the club for him the day after the debt became apparent.

No, they show that at 30th June we were free of debt, now however we have a mortgage with Barclays again for all we know it could be for more than the original was.

What a daft old fucker.

You seem to have forgot to tell Keith that his banner was the lowest point of your time supporting this club, lower than relegation, worse than getting beat off the makems in play off. Worse than players fighting each other on the pitch. Worse even than anything during Westwood era.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/sir-bobby-day-unlikely-to-halt-red-tide-1213728.html maybe we can have a say in this, the Scousers will be in fine voice for SBR day so lets hope we all are too.

Have you actually read the countdown page or are you just making something up to fit in with what you think the crowd are saying? The countdown relates to exactly what you're talking about. It talks about the amount of time there is to turn the club around, explain to the fans and look at renewing contracts and buying players in. Its not about time to sell or anything like that, we do recognise theres a global recession which is why you'll read stuff on there asking him to talk to the fans and discuss whats needed. Not telling him to just sell up and f**k off. Thats why Ive had many a discussion now with those coming out of the woodwork the other way, slagging us off for "selling out" and "giving in".

I have to say I dont see what the problem is with it, its non abusive, non-threatening. Its merely being used to highlight a very serious issue. Maybe on reflection starting the countdown on the 1st January would possibly have made it different but in all honesty I dont see the problem. Do you not see what we are getting at, that countdown may look nothing at the moment but take a look at it when theres less than a week to go and we've sold players bringing nobody of any note in to replace them and it will look totally different. Realising theres literally days left to sort things out? I dont think that anyone has asked this question here but if you were sitting on that committee what would you have done? Serious question, if you could now take over the NUSC chair and had total control, what would you do in your first week running it?

The quotes they've used are just from that Countdown thing. The little bit at the bottom is however where in our article does it state hes not welcome back? Nowhere. The press release we have made is nothing like that one. http://www.newcastle-united-supporters-club.co.uk/statement-1912.php

this looks like their most reasoned and professional piece of publicity so i dont know why youd say that. as for a climbdown, what do you expect them to do? they cant change the reality of the situation that Ashley can't or won't sell so have to make do with what we have. had they came out and said they were going to up the protests and wanted him out you would still say they were a 'tin pot' organisation. Well as I said, I'm happy to read this, but you really want an organisation that's going to think through its views and reactions in a calm way. They encouraged the hysterical over-reaction that caused Ashley to seek a buyer in the first place, and things could change in just the same kind of impulsive, badly informed way in the future if something happens that doesn't please them. I'd like Ashley to renew his commitment, but I hope he continues to have nothing to do with this bunch of idiots. They're the ones who should be admitting their mistakes. The NUSC wasnt even formed when Ashley made his statement so Im not sure how you can come out with that?

oh I see, so if theres a vote on here to do something and all but you vote against it then you'll just argue that point then? If the conservatives win the next election then because they had a majority then its mob rule? what a totally crass and thoughtless statement to make. Perhaps if you answer the question that was asked I'll put a bit more thought into my reply? Your answer to the question (or lack of it) fits in entirely with what I've said. So what is it you're wanting me to say? that we're doing it because Ashley treat KK like s****? because Wise didnt buy the right players? because we have Joe Kinnear as manager? None of those. What you are looking for is me to proportion blame between Ashley and Keegan, simple fact is that its nothing to do with that, its not about KK or who we bought in the Summer. Its about the fact that this club is going rapidly to the dogs and nothing is being done to counter it. I dont care if Keegan was 100% at fault for the past, what Im interested in is the future which currently looks non existant.

oh I see, so if theres a vote on here to do something and all but you vote against it then you'll just argue that point then? If the conservatives win the next election then because they had a majority then its mob rule? what a totally crass and thoughtless statement to make.

The specific reason is 250+ fans turned up to a public meeting and called for the group to be formed and to take action.

Is that right? http://www.toonultras.com/ scroll down to the Hull part. Still nowt but support for the team eh? and no ashley bashing. I have the utmost respect for the Ultras they try and keep the ground going and are going about it the right way. They also dont spend their time slagging off those that dont fit in with their all singing all dancing view of things on message boards.

The others are footballing events. It f***ing happens. You win some and you lose some. It's the reason we love football. The banner was a disgusting act of childish and clueless mongs You compared it to quote "close defeats, maulings and bad tactics" - all football things. I would also say the banner reflected the feelings of most people there. I compared the low feeling towards these events. Of course it makes me angry to lose against anyone let alone the f***ing mackem c***s!! But that's football! The fans' reaction was disappointing, especially that it went on DURING a football match while the players were ignored. So it was worse then than the fact 200+ fans didnt turn up for the 1st 15 minutes (including Ultras)? It was worse than Dyer and Bowyer scrapping on national TV? worse than our previous chairman taking the piss out of the fans? Or is it a perceived worse to you because you believe it was an NUSC banner? something that would have been friggin clever unless we had Michael J Fox and a DeLorean on board. Although no doubt you'll attempt to blame the NUSC for some of the things I've mentioned above as well no doubt. if I get to be your age and my lowest point in football is 3 blokes parading a banner round a stadium then Im either damned lucky or not a Newcastle fan because theres already a thousand things in the last 39 years that sicken me more.

Yes they are, totally and utterly unattainable for the simple reason that all have a price tag. We do not have any money to spend at all come January.

If all you have to argue is my use of wording then well done. Im not saying we do feel we're in a position to make demands yet you make out we do. You cant argue that the boycotts are hurting the club and prospective owners and then in the next breath say they are ineffective. They are either working or they arent. You asked me what we would do if he couldnt sell, I gave you an answer telling you what we are already doing about that. You then call us for doing something. No win situation again.

Im more than happy to discuss it because I see it as a real possibility. Our current view (after listening to the members at the meeting) is that we're offering a chance for him to meet us and discuss. Not for us to tell him what to do, that would be egotistical but for us to state what we see as problems, him to give his view of things and both sides to see how they can help the other. That may result in us agreeing to stop boycotts and other action in return for him agreeing to invest enough in the team come January to ensure we stay up. I honestly dont know how that meeting would pan out, the sceptic in me says it wont happen because he will refuse to meet with anyone on this. If it does then I will be pleasantly surprised. As you've already agreed above though the NUSC is not responsible for the current Ashley stance, you may be able to argue that he may have changed his current stance before now if we hadnt been there that would be fair enough (but hypothetical as we will never know) but if we do meet and an agreement is reached that changes his position then the credit would have to go to NUSC.

I can see your logic there and its fair enough however the fanzines were responsible for getting the original meeting organised but nothing more, the people at that meeting decided what would then happen. However I find it highly unlikely that it was a claim for a pie boycott that sent MA over the edge, more likely the sustained protests outside Shearers and the entrance plus possibly the march from Tilleys (something which this forum promoted, on your logic therefore does N-O shoulder some of the blame?).

Then you need to get your facts straight mate, two simple dates blow the first part of that out of the water. September 14th Ashley announces he is selling the club, September 16th meeting takes place which results in the foundation of the NUSC. So we were not responsible in any way for the decision to sell. Maybe in seriousness, if we already had a supporters club established then it may never have got to that stage. The second part of that is you harking back to two weeks ago and not keeping up with the current position (or maybe choosing to ignore it to back your argument). Half the stuff in your post I agree with but the problem is Ive already acknowledged those facts and we're already doing stuff to reverse them. If people would just acknowledge that themselves and give it time then I would be more than happy. I dont expect everyone to suddenly say "well thats ok then, where do I sign?" but I would have thought people would be able to admit that it could work.

Simple answer - Yes To be honest if about 30 or 40 people out of the hundred voted for that then I would be looking to hold off on any further action even though the majority had voted the affirmative. That kind of numbers tell you that its not clear cut. I would want to wait a couple of weeks and redo the vote to see if things were different. Guaranteed 100% to never even be contemplated. At the end of the day we are Newcastle United fans, will always be Newcastle United fans and could not contemplate anything else no matter what happens in the future.

It's supposed to be a supporters club, at least in name. It's not acting like any supporters club that I can think of. This is the point I keep trying to get over though Mick, it is trying to be all those things and more but at the end of the day this Supporters Club was set up first and foremost to try and give a voice to the fans in the troubled times we were having. The way that was done and with the ferocity we did it was all down to the fact that 250+ total strangers turned up to a hastily arranged meeting. These were 250 fans, not all mates of each other but normal fans from all age groups and all walks of life just like you, Benwell Lad, NE5, HTT etc from 18 to 80. Every one and I mean all of them voted for this to take place. We were always looking to do the other things, arrange the benefit nights, fight for other rights of fans, discuss problems etc but at that point in time the protests took precedence because that was what was asked for. The fact that opinions changed in the two weeks after was not foreseen and not gauged until too late. A fault of ours yes but not something that we should be lined up and shot for. Again, though if people emailed in and told us they had changed their views then we may have had a chance, out of 30 or 40 emails at the time Id say 3 were even slightly questioning the stance. All Im asking is that people give it a chance to move forward, dont join if you dont want to but at the same time dont sit there moaning and belittling those of us that are trying to do something. *That last bit wasnt aimed at you directly Mick

Thats great however for you, someone who has absolutely no knowledge of what has gone on to say that we dont take notice of such polls is an assumption thats wrong to make. Im hoping Tom will back me up here when I say, I listen to them, I went to a meeting 3 weeks ago with a pile of printouts from here, TT and emails and said "the fans arent agreeing". Without wanting to look like Im taking the credit for that because there were others who backed it and provided more evidence on top, that has been a turning point for us. That was the point where the NUSC started to realise that time moves on and fans think differently because of it. Since then we've had no press releases of the sort we'd had before, no going out and organising additional boycotts. We had a members meeting and have started to change things round. The point Im making is that the likes of you, Ozzie and especially Benwell Lad are more than happy to slag us off because of mistakes we've made in the past (although the likes of BL has been against it from the start and that in my eyes is wrong). We are learning from our mistakes, mistakes that really havent been that big, they've maybe been badly worded or timed statements but overall they've been done with the best of intentions. The thing is if the likes of you (a Moderator on an NUFC forum) cannot give it time to work then it has no chance because it will always be chasing its tail.

Yes there is, its out of date, the view now could be 50/50 or for that matter it could be 100% against. The whole thing Im talking about is ensuring upto date views.