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Beyond it leading to our demise that also is very frustrating about the goal not being given... would have made it into an epic game.

I'd have been more proud of England had they had USA's run in the tournament tbh.

To continue with the Lampard bashing, twice today he stopped midrun to claim something with the ref whilst Germany players ran right past him with the ball. Including for the 4th goal. Nice.

The same about Terry and Gerrard imo. England should bring in some young players like Germany does. Don't agree with Gerrard no, I was saying that with Gerrard in mind of course, he still has a lot to give. A choice should have been made a long time ago over one or the other. They have constantly stifled one another and it's been clear for maybe 6 years which one should be picked.

I hope that's the end of Lampard in an England shirt too. We shouldn't waste any more time constantly forcing him into our midfield.

That's also another big point in its favour. Even if it does muck up, margin of error would still be so much smaller than it is now.

Of course we all know what will happen when it is implement don't we? The first World Cup that has it we'll get knocked out by a goal 0.1 of a millimetre in.

When was this, out of curiosity? I remember seeing loads of reports and footage when they first started pushing for it. There was even a video displaying all sorts of shots, ball positions etc... this was years ago already and it didn't get anything wrong.

On today's incident they shouldn't need any help. At full speed it was clear it went in. The ref could have seen even though it's not completely his job. The linesman didn't have the keeper blocking his view of the ball... It's just utterly scandalous he didn't see it. At almost any level you should have your sense tingling that something has happened there and that it must be in. Linesman is a joke. Double whammy for FIFA too. They put in under par officiators and also don't agree to help them with easy to implement technology.

Morons would still get some wrong.

Hawk eye, with beeps when the ball goes over. Has been proven to work, easy as fuck to implement and the only true way to involve technology in a completely non-intrusive way. Thing would just beep for the ref when the ball is in: instant goal and one less thing for linesmen to worry about. Of course FIFA's high ethics of FAIR PLAY see this as totally ridiculous. Retards.

Well fuck me. Had got more excited about this tournament than any in probably a decade. Wasn't even expecting much from this supposed 'golden generation'. All I wanted was a couple of moments to shout about and some performance to be proud of. As usual, like Newcastle, wherever you set your bar, they will come somewhere below it.

Probably been mentioned but at Defoe coming off for Heskey when we desperately needed a goal.

Germany trying to kill 2 birds with one stone. Goal crossing the line not given and beating us 5-1? Yes they've been more clinical but the BBC commentators were saying this is normal overall. To not acknowledge the last two goals were almost direct repercussions of the equaliser not being given is pretty moronic. Not doubt we'd have played 2 at the back and Terry up front at 2-2 as well!

Fucking scandalous. Can't be said enough.

Totally scandalous. At full speed you could tell it was in. Most people who have played football would have had a clear tingling sense that had gone in let alone a professional trained ref/linesman. There are no words. If we lose this we will have to be content in being martyrs in the case for goal line technology. And of course that linesman will be forced to retire soon enough.

Had never heard the terms 'mudshark' or 'groid' before

Was thinking about that the other day... now that you can get booked or sent off for just running in a straight line there will never be a player that will manage that again.

This is World Cup season too and Lineker certainly has a better record in those.

If Ghana score around the 80th minute, both games today will have been complete copies.

Dempsey has been constanly diving and overreacting for the last 2 games... been a pain.

Altidore really is USA's Ameobi

I had a dream last night that we beat Germany 2-0... except that Xavi scored the first for us and still in a Spain shirt. That is all.

Surprising that would be in the rule book. Just common sense the ref should be able to play advantage through and take appropriate action (whatever it is, be it telling off, yellow, red etc...) once play stops. Otherwise it's worth punching another player in the face near the half way circle when the other team go one on one with the keeper. Ref can only either give a red or play advantage and not both! You either save a goal or only get booked

Germany to win 5-0 on pens. And they would insist on them all being taken the bastards!