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I think words morals/values/principles are easily interchangeable in this circumstance. And in essence I agree with what you are saying (they are now even proven facts), problem is how did taking what he saw as the high road help us the fans? Who he was supposedly looking out for, he claims? As I said I find his principles very strange, misplaced maybe even selective. Just totally oblivious to the bigger picture.

The shot? He probably would have saved and it didn't move that much from hitting the beach ball, but the way the beach ball pinged right off really put him off / freaked him out.

Great footage of the beach ball goal just then on Sky, the thing literally creeps out onto the 6 yard line from Reina's blind spot and as that very Sunderland attack was developing. Talk about a perfect sequence of events to make it happen. Also, Gray was using the pause and arrows to indicate where the ball was going

I can't really believe that is true for the latest set of events. Even if he truly still believes this then, as said many times, his morals/values are pretty misplaced which is not acceptable either.

Pretty sure the Liverpool game was indeed his debut.

Can remember I thought it was great news when we signed him, was so pleased

He's been good as this bit part player. Better than he was in the last few years as captain... he was consistently poor and cost us goals. Over the past year or so I'd say he should go to the World Cup... as long he never gets anywhere near to taking a penalty.

This. Fucking awful celebration. Thirded. Funny seeing him shush the crowd when at Arsenal's new library. Really not too keen on this new trend on non celebrations. All Chelsea players seem guilty of this. Got to love someone like Rooney with the way he celebrates his goals.

What the hell?! quote of the day.

He (Owen) was really crap at Euro 2004, there certainly can be no denying that.

Don't know about Heskey... in the England system he just seems to work. But it's a tricky one. Would certainly consider Owen as back up for sure.

Nope. Quite a difference between how good Shearer was then though and Owen now. Indeed, while on his England drought he was still scoring 30+ for Blackburn

Beckham was an utter disgrace at Euro 2004 during the whole thing. Too often overlooked. Hated him in that tournament. Cost us goals by fucking up and by not bothering defending. Said it before on here, but it's ignored. His reputation is an absolute f***ing sham. I recall this discussion on here before. But my personal feeling is that he was very decent at E2000 and WC2002 and scoring, then really poor at E2004 and WC2006 and not scoring!

Always loved mr Palermo, proper centre fwd etc etc. Seemed quite an epic game that for Argentina in that rain. Delighted that he got himself the winning goal, I guess if they're really playing shit, we want them there.

Thinking about it, quite amazing/absurd that we managed to finish 7th in 05/06.

You'd soon get over that. Really kind of miss him thinking about it. Loved how in early 01-02 season he would often just pick the ball up before the midway line and just start running past everyone like a mental case with a ball. His finishing was poor at first but just got better and better.

Actually... true, good point and agreed. Probably just more of a case that they won't to touch him with a barge pole.

Agreed NUT. He's very much a "our cunt" type of player. When he plays for your team you'll love him. He was easily the best player at the club that season he eventually got shipped off to Celtic. Can never doubt his effort out on the pitch. The NUFC team of 01-04 really was perfect for him. There isn't really a team like that these days, he's stuck in between not good enough for the "top four" and above playing for the rest. Or maybe Man City is just what he needs.

Scenarios couldn't be more different: Bobby straight up got the sack and got kicked out though. He also didn't just come back few months earlier. Obviously not. But I'm sure Keegan knew how much damage he was doing by packing it in, it was probably part of the point too... but it's cutting off his nose to spite his face. In the end only real losers are us the fans.

Well I certainly question this short sighted honour and principle. Misplaced righteousness it might be with Keegan. I guess he was only looking out for number one instead of the short term sporting future of the club and its fans. I'd argue stronger principles might have seen him fight our corner given that he knew first hand how ridiculous the regime was being.

Definitely Lee.

Aye, "found out" by the best strikers in the world then.

Terry has been such a rock. Pretty amazing. FT

Ugh, Drogba is such a tosser.

Yeap exactly. Spot on for once Fatso.